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Benzos Should i be worried?

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Zeano

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Hey guys

So as some of you may know I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks etc etc etc

got given diazepam 3 weeks ago and citalopram. So anyway while waiting for the citalopram to kick in I have been taking diazepam......to cut a long story short the doctor basically gave me5mg tablets to take up to 3X a day. In the last 3 weeks my average daily consumption has been anywhere from 7.5mg -12.5mg (with 2 days of 15mg) I have never really felt the high effect but then again the most I have ever taken in 1 go is 5mg. my normal dose would be 10mg a day which I would take over four periods at 2.5mg.

Anyway for last 2 days I have cut down to 5mg......today being the 3rd.....not really feeling anything to worrying apart from the usual anxiety......but last night I could not sleep till 3:30am , don't know if that's down to citalopram starting to kick in or reduce in diazepam.

But anyway as I have only been on diazepam for 3 weeks and never ever abused and never took more than 5mg in 1 go........should I be asworried as I am about withdrawels or am I just being a big girl? lol

My plan tonight is to take the whole 5mg at about 9pm-10pm and hopefully will make me sleepy.

Also I plan on having 1 or 2 beers (literally 1 or max 2 English pints) and hoping that the fact for the last 60 hours I will have only had 10mg of diazepam should not be a massive concern with a low amount of alcohol.

So should I stop being a big girl as I have only been on for 3 weeks and never took any 'big boy' doses, or should I be prepared for something?

thanks guys

Zeano
 
You should be fine, if you start to experience withdrawals then see your doctor. Also about Celexa, if that shit doesn't work and your anxiety doesn't go away. Don't keep on playing the waiting game. If it hits 4 weeks, and there is no improvement, the medication is not for you.
 
You'll be just fine. It'll be longer than 2 weeks before the Valium leaves your body. I wouldn't rely on benzos for long term relief.
 
well to be honest I don't think ive ever took a high enough dose to feel the 'greatness' of a benzo. I imagine, that for me to feel the alcohol anxiety relief that benzo's get cpompared against I would have to take minimum 10mg in 1 go. but im a scaredy cat. so like I say the most ive ever took in 1 go is 5mg......and then their is normally about 6-8 hours before the next dose, so I probably have never felt the effect of even just 10mg actually working in my system at once. would love to try but get scared about feeling to much relief and getting hooked. For the sake of maybe 6 months relief....whats the point in creating a very high tolerance and dependence?
 
Your thinking is correct. I speak from experience. Benzos are a nasty withdrawal!! Makes opiate withdrawal seem like a walk in the park.
 
But you think I am stopping intime not suffer anything too abd then?
 
Thanks mate. I just hear soooooo many negative things said about benzo's its un-real. I cant understand why their is sooooooooo much bad things said and yet its still the most prescribed drug in the USA for anxiety??? I Think if I heard mostly good stuff about benzo's and it helping people I probably would have experimented abit more to find the sweet spot. But to be honest this website (no offence to it,, its great) seems VERY anti-benzo. Sometimes I do have to consider if the people who write such negative things , write them because they abused them sooo much. I imagine their will be soo many housewifes, business men, doctors, nurses, teachers, labourers, etc etc on benzos on a daily basis and never log on to check forums like this and just take them to feel better and never really know no different.

Because I have bad anxiety and panic disorder and get worried about taking a tablet I read up sooo much bout it. Sometimes I read posts on here and I think my problems seem so irrelevant......the fact I think taking 5mg diazepam is risky etc etc and their is people with Heroin withdrawels , and such. Masybe this website is not the right one for me? im not sure.....wither way plenty people have gave me their advice.

But to be totally honest 95% people here seem to abuse anything they get their hands on and then complain about side effects because they abused it?

sorry if it seems harsh........but surely its just common sense,anyone could abuse a pack of pain killers, or 12 pints of beer and feel bad.....so they just wont do it....etc etc
 
take the valium as directed, it may benefit you, try putting ur trust in ur doctor, i know taking less is always better, but legally to the doctors thats "abuse/misuse" , perhaps 5mg 3x a day will benefit you with the lexapro! valium has a long half life, so if u take it consistantly it can be a good mood stabilizer, anti anxiety agent, and muscle relaxant..if ur worried about physical dependency, relax cuz ur under a doctors care, as long as ur honest with him, he can taoper u off valium as slow as u want.. i think u got nothing to lose, and a lot to gain by this medication combo...i have ADHD so excuse me if im off topic or just talking.
 
Zeano said:
Thanks mate. I just hear soooooo many negative things said about benzo's its un-real. I cant understand why their is sooooooooo much bad things said and yet its still the most prescribed drug in the USA for anxiety??? I Think if I heard mostly good stuff about benzo's and it helping people I probably would have experimented abit more to find the sweet spot. But to be honest this website (no offence to it,, its great) seems VERY anti-benzo. Sometimes I do have to consider if the people who write such negative things , write them because they abused them sooo much. I imagine their will be soo many housewifes, business men, doctors, nurses, teachers, labourers, etc etc on benzos on a daily basis and never log on to check forums like this and just take them to feel better and never really know no different.

Because I have bad anxiety and panic disorder and get worried about taking a tablet I read up sooo much bout it. Sometimes I read posts on here and I think my problems seem so irrelevant......the fact I think taking 5mg diazepam is risky etc etc and their is people with Heroin withdrawels , and such. Masybe this website is not the right one for me? im not sure.....wither way plenty people have gave me their advice.

But to be totally honest 95% people here seem to abuse anything they get their hands on and then complain about side effects because they abused it?

sorry if it seems harsh........but surely its just common sense,anyone could abuse a pack of pain killers, or 12 pints of beer and feel bad.....so they just wont do it....etc etc
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DO NOT TAKE ADVICE ON BLUELIGHT AND ACT ON IT, YOUR DOCTOR IS A LICENSED PRACTICIONER, TAKE HIS ADVICE, NOT THE ADIVE YOU READ ONLINE, TRUST ME :-) YOU HAVE A DOCTOR who went to college, has great knowledge on what he is doing VERSE us addicts giving u advice, im not knocking anyone on here. there is awesome input on this site from people, but when push comes to shove, listen to ur doctor and no one else..
 
I also really miss the social aspect of alcohol aswell tho. Going to a pub, getting drunk, doing silly things etc etc. While ive been on diazepam ive been so scared about drinking.....tonight might be the first night I actually try 2 cans of lager before my one and only 5mg dose before bed. Me and my g.f are off through a ruff patch too, and she is staying at her mums tonight. I feel like I just want to get drunk and go out and be spontaneous......yet ive read sooo many things about benzo's and alcohol that even tho I have only took 5 mg for last 2 days and not had a dose today.....that I will 'blackout' if I drink to get tipsy.............pffffttt......so now just sat here 1 one can of lager....feeling anxious like mad, with 1 can of lager. its CRAZY the two things that can stop my anxiety and I darnt tae enough of either of them to just try and enjoy myself :(.... makes no sense
 
does anyone really get the anxiety relief from vallium that is on par with 5-10 beers, lol?
 
Zeano,

As one who takes prescribed benzodiazepines as directed I can tell you that they've made my life a lot more easy. You're spot-on: people on this site tend to hate on benzodiazepines as well as amphetamine because they don't use them as directed, but rather, get high on them, then find out that 'you play you pay', and blame the drug instead of their weakness.

Now I've done the research. Look at my posts. I don't speak lightly. Benzodiazepines, if taken in moderate doses, even long-term, are the most effective and side effect-free agents for anxiety/schizoid diseases that psychiatry has to offer. Once, or rather, if, you abuse it, count the game over.

You ready?

I wouldn't recommend taking any other gabaergic substance while on it though, as that can raise your tolerance and lead to serious problems.

In fact, I would stay away from everything but your approved supplements, meds, and caffeine if you're on a benzo. Its not easy at first, but it gets a lot better and you come to live a much more stable, happy life.
 
^You said you've only been taking benzos for a couple weeks in another thread if I remember right. You're dreaming if you think you're immune to severe physical dependence if you take it "as directed." Go look on benzo WD support forums to see countless examples of people taking benzos as directed and getting severely burned in the process. Many people are subject to the tolerance withdrawal phenomena where they experience anxiety in excess of the original condition or even paranoia on a stable dose. Even low doses can cause seizures upon discontinuation if taken for sufficiently long. It's a very unnerving thing to know that you'll experience torturous and even dangerous symptoms if you're cut off from your daily drug whether from financial issues, uncaring doctors, or emergency circumstances.

Coming from somebody who used to have severe anxiety issues who contemplated suicide, I refuse to believe that people with anxiety issues need benzos. Avoiding drugs including caffeine and hedonistic behaviors, eating a healthy diet with proper omega 3 to omega 6 ratios, no refined carbs, antioxidant rich, plenty of magnesium, selenium, manganese, zinc and b vitamins, and not overly stimulative of dopamine, meditation, relaxation techniques, exercise, and plenty of sleep should be daily practices. After taking care of the basics, there's nothing better than good old flooding therapy. Keep busy constantly, get out and volunteer, go to work, jump at every social opportunity you can, go to a game or movie, play tennis or another sport, stay out of your head as much as you can. The majority of us live in the one of the least stressful times in human history. Benzodiazapines are nothing more than poisons that ultimately undermine our bodies ability to deal with stress.
 
ferinox said:
^You said you've only been taking benzos for a couple weeks in another thread if I remember right. You're dreaming if you think you're immune to severe physical dependence if you take it "as directed." Go look on benzo WD support forums to see countless examples of people taking benzos as directed and getting severely burned in the process. Many people are subject to the tolerance withdrawal phenomena where they experience anxiety in excess of the original condition or even paranoia on a stable dose. Even low doses can cause seizures upon discontinuation if taken for sufficiently long. It's a very unnerving thing to know that you'll experience torturous and even dangerous symptoms if you're cut off from your daily drug whether from financial issues, uncaring doctors, or emergency circumstances.

Coming from somebody who used to have severe anxiety issues who contemplated suicide, I refuse to believe that people with anxiety issues need benzos. Avoiding drugs including caffeine and hedonistic behaviors, eating a healthy diet with proper omega 3 to omega 6 ratios, no refined carbs, antioxidant rich, plenty of magnesium, selenium, manganese, zinc and b vitamins, and not overly stimulative of dopamine, meditation, relaxation techniques, exercise, and plenty of sleep should be daily practices. After taking care of the basics, there's nothing better than good old flooding therapy. Keep busy constantly, get out and volunteer, go to work, jump at every social opportunity you can, go to a game or movie, play tennis or another sport, stay out of your head as much as you can. The majority of us live in the one of the least stressful times in human history. Benzodiazapines are nothing more than poisons that ultimately undermine our bodies ability to deal with stress.
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Well that shows how much you know about mental illness and drugs. I will respond accordingly, by paragraph

1. Nothing you said I haven't heard before
2. Avoid generalizing anomalies. Source that this paradoxical effect of worsening anxiety is statistically significant or zip it. The fact that you come on here with your scare tactics because something didn't work for your brain isn't just selfish, its infantile
3. If I can't afford a months worth of prescription that costs less than a candy bar, I deserved it
4. I'd rather die in seizures than in most other ways
5. Its a very unnerving thing that you had the gaul to write that post

1. Coming from someone who has actually read studies, not just spontaneously concluded that every person's brain works the same even though merely the fact that there are multiple kinds of medications for the same disorder(s) is enough to conclude such, you are 110% wrong.
2. Caffeine lessens my anxiety, as do psycho-stimulants
3. Meditation worsened my illness
4. Your other suggestions can be generalized to mental illness as a whole, and are probably beneficial
5. Your last statement is oh so typical

Lastly: I don't expect to receive your sympathy, neglect to read your words, nor respect or believe your fallacies.

Show me studies then we can actually talk.
 
Ohhhhh....if Arnold swarznegger was here..........would he be calling me a 'girly boy' haha.

To be fair, its 95% of people on here tht puts the fears in my mind....lol
 
You know i was just making light of it and just joking with you? :( heh.

And dont blow my cover but this is arny. Youd be surprised how many of my actor friends and ex political team use this site to get fucked all proper and safe like, yeah?
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Well that shows how much you know about mental illness and drugs. I will respond accordingly, by paragraph

1. Nothing you said I haven't heard before
2. Avoid generalizing anomalies. Source that this paradoxical effect of worsening anxiety is statistically significant or zip it. The fact that you come on here with your scare tactics because something didn't work for your brain isn't just selfish, its infantile
3. If I can't afford a months worth of prescription that costs less than a candy bar, I deserved it
4. I'd rather die in seizures than in most other ways
5. Its a very unnerving thing that you had the gaul to write that post

1. Coming from someone who has actually read studies, not just spontaneously concluded that every person's brain works the same even though merely the fact that there are multiple kinds of medications for the same disorder(s) is enough to conclude such, you are 110% wrong.
2. Caffeine lessens my anxiety, as do psycho-stimulants
3. Meditation worsened my illness
4. Your other suggestions can be generalized to mental illness as a whole, and are probably beneficial
5. Your last statement is oh so typical

Lastly: I don't expect to receive your sympathy, neglect to read your words, nor respect or believe your fallacies.

Show me studies then we can actually talk.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18377143
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1295099/?page=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8858711
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8843497
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3578580
http://www.benzo.org.uk/ashbzoc.htm
http://www.annalsofepidemiology.org/article/S1047-2797(97)00126-9/abstract
http://www.bcnc.org.uk/violent.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14731058
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2899898
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23088742
I used to have that same attitude that I needed drugs. It's nothing more than a lie you tell your self that keeps you from getting well. I don't really understand your lack of respect for people's experiences with benzos. I assure you I'm one of many. I can't tell you how many times I've seen somebody post about how they were cured by benzos and then months down the line they realize their problems have increased.

Caffeine would make your anxiety better if you're dependent on it reversing the withdrawal. It takes a couple months off of it like any other drug before you notice the real benefits of not using it. I do have quite a bit of experience with depression and anxiety. My anxiety was so bad that I was wearing tattered clothing and often didn't eat bc I couldn't bring myself to go to the store. It can seem hopeless and any drug can insert itself into your life fairly easily bc you feel you need and deserve it. Cognitive behavioral therapy has better long term outcomes than benzos and it doesn't come with all the nasty symptoms benzos do. It's worth the extra effort. Drug free anxiety reduction leads to a greater sense of confidence and well being than benzos could ever provide.

You might feel like seizures aren't a bad way to go but it might be different when experiencing the profound terror benzo W/D can cause. Even after being stable at the low dose of valium at 1 mg for a few months, it still took weeks of panicky anxiety to feel like a human again after jumping off. Being on any drug for less than a month is not enough time to determine the chronic effects it will have on you. I hope I'm wrong and you're part of the minority that experiences long term beneficial effects but I doubt it.
 
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