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Opioids Short Ter Suboxone use Question

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Flyerfan

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i know theres alot on getting off of suboxone, but i couldnt find anything similar to my exact situation, so i figured id ask, if theyre is already a similar post, i am sorry. ive been taking suboxone for a couple days short of 3 weeks now, i started with 1mg the first day, and have taken .5mg every day since, and nothing yesterday, not much i know, but i woke up this morning and i feel pretty crappy, not nearly as bad as w/ding from the H i originally quit, but still enough to make it difficult to function at work/class/around the house, also to sleep and eat, anyways a friend of mine started suboxone a couple days after me, he was doing much more H than me, and his suboxone use/taper is similar to mine, and 3 days ago he took a dilauted for some pain reason he was having (probably just an excuse) anyway now he is fine, no withdrawals whatsoever after 3 days (5 days since his last suboxone does of .5mg), where as i am experiencing them after 1 day of no subs, so is it plausible to say that taking a full blown opiate say one time during the period of trying to get off of suboxone, helps to ease getting off of the suboxone itself?

I also do not have any suboxone left to continue
 
thats a very interesting question. I cant see any logical reason why replacing an opiate replacement drug with an opiate would make it easier to quit. But if by some freak set of circumstances that works, then that is some very valuable information. I hope this thread gets ome more input. Im currently down to 1.0 mg of bupe, cutting to 0.5 at the end of this week. Its been quite a long road down, and the final jump off is gonna be the hardest of all. It really doesnt make sense how taking more opiates at that stage will help in the long term. Of course it will help in the short term as that person is just holding off withdrawals for a bit longer, but my best guess is they will hit him sooner or later.
 
No one gets away without withdrawals. Not anyone with a decent habit, at least. You can cushion them, weaken but prolong them (i.e. subs, methadone- anything with a long half-life), do all sorts of things to help; but you WILL have some discomfort at the very least. I am curious about finding the best combination of using short and long-acting opiates when trying to taper, but I know that nothing is going to be so miraculous as to yield no withdrawals whatsoever.
 
^this

sub withdrawals are long and drawn out but less intense. taking a short full opiate right at the beginning would likely help a little, but is risky territory
 
^a one time use of a full ag. opioid will do little more than prolong the beginning of the w/d in the OPs situation. I don't think it will add much to the intensity of the w/d, once it wears off you will just w/d from the suboxone. Thats what your body has become dependent on due to taking it for 3 weeks. .5 mg a day isn't going to be a bad w/d, you will definitely feel it but its doable. I know your out but tapering down below that can make it much easier, like down to .1 mg a day via the liquid taper method using an oral syringe.

I should note there was one person I read about who endorsed a method of 1 time use following cessation of his rapid suboxone taper, I think he tapered the Subs off in around 1 week, said he used H once following it and then felt no w/d following that. Can't remember what website, I think it was this one, but most the comments called b.s. on him and said it doesn't work that way. I suppose it might be worth a try, if you have the willpower to just use once. Seems more likely to result in falling back into the heavy stuff than some miracle cure for w/d. But if you just use once the worst it could do is set back the Sub w/d until the other stuff wears off.

Myself, I've considered being in the situation of being forced to stop Subs from a high-ish dose (>2 mg/day) abruptly and if you would not be better of with a low dose full agonist for 1 week and dealing with the acute w/d from that, because it will be much shorter in duration. Again the willpower issue comes in, to be able to not get high but just maintain and it would be something better suited for a weaker opiate like codeine or hydrcodone, if all you have access to is stronger stuff, it would be less advisable. I did actually do a similar thing when I needed to stop using poppy seed tea, I switched to oxycodone because I knew the w/d would be unbearably long. But I just ended up hooked on oxy for another month before getting Subs to kick that. So its prob not the best idea, but theoretically could work.
 
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I should note there was one person I read about who endorsed a method of 1 time use following cessation of his rapid suboxone taper, I think he tapered the Subs off in around 1 week, said he used H once following it and then felt no w/d following that. Can't remember what website, I think it was this one, but most the comments called b.s. on him and said it doesn't work that way. I suppose it might be worth a try, if you have the willpower to just use once. Seems more likely to result in falling back into the heavy stuff than some miracle cure for w/d. But if you just use once the worst it could do is set back the Sub w/d until the other stuff wears off.

Myself, I've considered being in the situation of being forced to stop Subs from a high-ish dose (>2 mg/day) abruptly and if you would not be better of with a low dose full agonist for 1 week and dealing with the acute w/d from that, because it will be much shorter in duration. Again the willpower issue comes in, to be able to not get high but just maintain and it would be something better suited for a weaker opiate like codeine or hydrcodone, if all you have access to is stronger stuff, it would be less advisable. I did actually do a similar thing when I needed to stop using poppy seed tea, I switched to oxycodone because I knew the w/d would be unbearably long. But I just ended up hooked on oxy for another month before getting Subs to kick that. So its prob not the best idea, but theoretically could work.
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Yeah i read that same post but i cant find it again, but that and the experiences my friend had are what made me think about it, that and me just wanting to feel normal again, and unfortuneately all i do have access to is stronger stuff, H, and dilauded, but i ended up trying it last night, i figured the only way to really know is to try it myself, or not try it, so i did, and so far today i feel fine for the most part, just a little ansy, and honestly its made me want to do more pretty bad, the first time ive felt like this since i decided to quit, but i can deal with holding out, and hopefully it does something to help, ill keep u posted over the next couple days i s'pose. but for anyone who feels they might not have as much willpower as they need, i would NOT recommend doing this, as i can see how easy it would be to just fall right back into doing opiates again.
also its only day 1 since i did that, not even 24 hours yet, so theres no way to tell if it worked or not yet, gonna take a couple days probably, either way i just wanted to mention that it DOES make you want to do opiates much much more than i felt about it b4 i did the dilauded last night
 
So I Figured Id Post An Update Considering I Used Myself As A Test Subject For My Theory, I Ended Up Doing Another 8Mg Dilauded About 48 Hours After The Last One, Its Now Been About 48 Hours Since Then And I Must Say I Don't Feel Bad At All, Still HaveTrouble Sleeping Slightly Low On Energy And The Occasional Chill But No More Cravings Or Wds That Make It Hard To Function, I Wouldnt Want To Go Run A Marathon But Its Nothing Anyone Willing To Quit Opiates Can't Deal With, Just Be Careful Not To Continue Useing
 
Lol.. My Phone Is Doing It Automatically, Swype Isnt Completely Compatible With My Version Of Android But Really? U Had Nothing Better To Do Than Post That? Anyway 48 Hours More Past I Feel Fine, End Of My updates
 
Well I think all you really proved is jumping off .5 mg of bupe a day isn't that bad. I know I jumped off around .1 mg once after a 1.5 month taper doing a drop to 75% of previous dose every 3 days, and literally didn't even notice the difference when I stopped. .5 mg will leave you some issues, but I would guess they are about on the level you are describing. I am pretty sure using he Ds did nothing more than put you at risk for relapse. It did not miraculously make the Sub w/d less intense. But kudos for not allowing it to suck you back in.
 
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