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Short Suboxone Taper After 4 Months Heavy Use of Oxycodone

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EndoOpesOverExos

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Hello all,

First time poster, long time reader here. I have been using 100-150 mg of oxycodone per day for the last 4 months. I have been using oxycodone pretty regularly for the last 9 months. It started out as 20 to 40 mg of OP every other day and gradually got worse. I decided to use Kratom to get off the oxycodone. About 12 hours after my last dose of oxycodone I took my first dose of Kratom which was 10 grams of Bali. I took 2 10 gram doses (one in the morning one at night) for approximately one week with little to no withdrawal symptoms. The first four days on Kratom were the worst of the withdrawal but it was still very minimal. After that week on Kratom I relapsed on oxycodone. 30mg one day and 20 mg the next. After that relapse I started taking 1 dose of Bali Kratom at 10 grams for about 3 days. Today, I waited 24 hours from my last dose of Kratom and induced suboxone with .5 mg. At first, withdrawals began to worsen but I feel it was mainly the anxiety I had about going into precipitated withdrawals. An hour later I took another .5 and I am 100 percent withdrawal free.

Is this normal? I feel like I would need a much higher dose of suboxone. I plan on taking 1 mg suboxone for 5 days, .5 mg suboxone for 5 days, then .5 mg every second or third day for 8-12 days.

Do you think think this is a good plan?

Do you think that I'm out of the woods as far as withdrawal and suboxone is going to make it worse or is the short Suboxone taper going to help me have less withdrawal in the long run? I have been exercising at least 30 minutes twice per day, I'm eating very healthy, staying hydrated, and taking vitamins. I am a single dad and I work and go to school full time. If I had a week to myself I would just go cold turkey but I can't. The oxycodone has made me feel emotionally dull which in turn makes me feel like I am neglecting my kids emotionally. I'd much rather live with the physical pain and stress that started me on the oxycodone than not be able to feel emotions and joy with my children.
I greatly appreciate any input, advice, or encouragement! This is it for me. I want to get my life back!

-EndosOverExos
 
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Hey Endo and welcome to BL:)

I would not do the every other day thing at the end of your sub taper. This will not have any positive result IMO.

I would consider dropping your dose on the subs once every two weeks until you walk off or say fuck it and jump.

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE< >here<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol
Senokot S is a stool softener and laxative. If you do not want the laxative you can go for strait stool softenerDioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate.

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

Your Personal Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal

You can do this. Many people end up putting themselves through a ton more struggle trying to avoid it. Seems that everyone pays the piper in the end.

No matter what approach you take you will make through this. Freedoms on the other side.
 
Suboxone is a really strong drug so it doesn't surprise me that 1mg holds you decently well. It honestly doesn't sound like your habit is that bad so I encourage you to stop now as it will only get worse. My advice is to do a 7 day sub taper. Start at 1 mg for the first 2 days then decrease your dose to .5mg by day 3. Take .5 on day 3,4, and 5 then skip day 6 and take .5mg on day 7. If you are suffering tremendously still on day 5 then you can extend the taper too 10 days following the same model basically. After the final dose you will need some comfort meds. NSA lists all the good ones in the post above. But all in all I don't think you will suffer too badly.
 
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Okay thank you guys! I will not have access to a benzo but I do have prazosin. Will it work in the same way that clonidine will given that they are both in the same class?
 
In acute detox the clonidine is taken for its ability to regulate the adrenal spike so often seen during withdrawal.

I would go to a physician and explore all the medications that may help you with this. Most physicians will help you out with whatever you need and they will be able to review all your medications to make sure all is well.

Gabapentin/neurontin is the most positive medication for many people. The dose recommendation for restless legs syndrome found in the tarascon pharmacopoeia is the dose I feel works best for many people.
 
So I decided the suboxone is too strong and that I'm going to try and use Tylenol 3's to taper. Problem is buprenorphines blocking effects on other opiates. I took 2 mg's suboxone 24 hours ago. Will the suboxone block the effects of the codeine or has it been long enough?
 
It generally takes about a week to take "low potency" opioids before I can really enjoy them (such as was my experience with hydrocodone at least). With enough of a dose (do not try it with codeine, because of potentially fatal histamine reaction that can occur - hives on steroids basically), like using heroin, I can use the next day. But that is also dangerous because I have to use much higher doses to feel anything than I normally would. Like to the power of ten.

However, a normal dose of codeine still may provide some relief from physical symptoms of withdrawal, like GI discomfort.
 
It should be more or less the same. Hypotehtically it might be a tad longer kicking an oral habit versus a tad more intense kicking an intranasal habit.

The amount of time spend using, dosage and frequency of use is more significant, as oxycodone has a high oral BA. Regardless of whether your snorted it or ate it, youre gonna have to pay the piper about the same price.

Why do you ask?
 
My habit consisted mainly of snorting oxycodone so I was just curious if one ROA had more significant withdrawals than the other. Just kind of wanted to know what to expect.
Unfortunately, I relapsed for about 3 days each day at about 160 mg so it's back to the sub taper... : (
 
first time poster, I have been reading the forum and post for the last several hours, doing my research, i am an oxycodone user, using at least 15-17 30mg pills daily, snorting them. everything was fine until these new gov.t laws came into play, now they have started cutting me down, for the last 3 years i have been getting
#270 of the 30's + #60 of the 30mg Opana's, went in the other month, got cut down to #60 -30mg oxy, and #60 -40mg opana, last month went same on oxy, and down to 30mg #60 on the opana, well, i didnt cut down, i just been spending thousands to compensate.. im tired of this crap, being a single parent , and spending this kind of money, not to mention i have no life, luckily i have been fortunate enough to work from home. i stay on the couch with 2 heating pads for the last several years, yes i do go to the stores, grocery etc.. but i really have no life, not much of one anyways, so i am fed up with having to plan my life around the meds.. cant go anywhere , no vacation etc.. unless its the day after i get my refills.. but anyways, to the point, i have decided to start suboxone monday, 4-25, got My dr. appt for 1:30, luckily i have a great DR, family DR.. who cares, and gives me what i think i need, i guess thats part of the problem, but now the pain pills are limited thanks to the government, so i decided to just get off it all , and get my LIFE back... from my research, I would think waiting 24-36 hrs should get me clear of PWD, im really hoping so, or by taking as much as i have for so long, will it required more time.. if anyone has any input, i would very much appreciate anything from anyone that knows what there talking about, I have a very long , painful journey ahead, all the HELP would be much appreciated...
any other advice on kicking it all would be great, as far as my past i have been to #2 rehabs, but funny thing is wasnt for any pain pills, was the white powder and drinking, well, since i been on pain meds, i havent touched either... DR said i had been self medicating the pain for all these years, and he would put me on pain meds, who was to know what the future held, i do have legitimate pain, and with my tolerance so high it just doesnt work much anymore, i dont abuse, i just have to take 60mg of oxycodone every 4 hrs to keep from getting sick, and hurting as bad as i do, i really need the pain meds, but its just taking my life away, that i have decided to deal with the pain and get off it all, this way i can at least have freedom... thanks, and like i mentioned any help, pointers, suggestions, or even questions i would gladly welcome....
 
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