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Short duration phenetylamine

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freaktech

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Seems like the most useful phens, a complete psychedelic phens with insights, magic and deep love feelings have a long duration or/and uncomfortable bodyload (2C-T-7 or 2C-E for example). With triptamines not seems like this, for example with 4-ACO-DMT (gentle, deep and short).

Is there any phen with similar characteristics? My interest for find this at phen is because are a very pretty stable compounds than triptamines.
 
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I have yet to sample 2CC, but from what i've read on Erowid and here on BL. I'd say good dose of 35-40mg will do the trick. I suggest reading the trip reports on Erowid or the Pihkal entry on it.
 
Short and profound are often in direct conflict. 2C-D has potential, but the doses you need to go up to on it to get a real trip off of it (it synergizes with other drugs, and is very good for extending/enhancing other trips without coloring the experience) are a good 2-3x what the dose for other phens is.
2C-C is the same story in terms of potency, and is also short. I don't have much experience with it (only took a very low dose), and was annoyed at the ratio of comeup to peak (which for me was about 2.5 hrs of comeup and a half hr at peak before starting to come down), as well as some uncomfortable physical stimulation (which isn't a problem for me on 2C-I/E/T-2/D).

It's worth noting that the bad bodyload is not experienced by everyone. The only body load i get is transient and minor, on the comeup of 2C-T-2, and only happens if i take it all at once (spacing it out over 15-30 mins makes the body load negligible, for me at least), all the others i mentioned other than 2C-C have negligible bodyload.
 
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I just obtained 2c-d and 2c-c, I've heard that 2c-d is about 3x stronger when using rectal admin. Is this true? I have experience with other 2c-x's and usually it is a solid 2x stronger when using that ROA as opposed to oral. On topic, I obtained 2c-c and 2c-d because of the short duration and because there aren't many phens. that have short duration that interest me, and these definetily interest me. Both are supposed to be great in combination with other substances.
 
freak I find 2cc rather boring tbh. I don't find it deep even at doses around 50mgs. That could just be me though. 2cd can be deep at higher doses as has been mentioned, but I have to put up with a lot of stimulation to get there with it. Honestly, I don't think what you're looking for exists. At least I'm not aware of it.

Why not just seal up some 4-aco real tight and put it in the freezer? It'll do fine there.
 
(The fumarate salt of) 4-ACO-DMT is an amazingly stable tryptamine. I had it kept in an airtight mason jar, away from light, at ROOM TEMPERATURE, for over a year. There was no noticeable degradation. I believe most of what is going around is the fumarate salt, that's all I've ever gotten, and I've gotten it many times. The HCl salt is actually a tiny bit more potent by weight.

I don't know if you are talking about storing it for 5 years or something....I doubt it....I'm just letting you know that 4-ACO-DMT fumarate is pretty damn stable actually.

Put a packet of silica gel in the mason jar too if you'd like, it's a dessicant and sucks up moisture. (I would recommend this when storing anything, unless it was a liquid)
 
B9 said:
Pedantry alert !!!!! 8o:(8):):D=D 4 aco DMT aint a phenethylamine so everyone whose gonna answer is a bit hobbled aren't they ?

2CD is the boyo ;)
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I don´t understand you, my english is a bit crappy sorry, im from spain
 
Aye sorry take no notice - the thread title says - short duration phenethylamine - yet most of the responses seem to be based around a tryptamine. Basically you're not going to get any effects from a short acting phenethylamine that are remotely similar to 4acoDMT. Some of the longer acting phens are emotionally deep, visually rich & can be insightful
 
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B9 said:
Aye sorry take no notice - the thread title says - short duartion phenethylamine - yet most of the responses seem to be based around a tryptamine. Basically you're not going to get any effects from a short acting phenethylamine that are remotely similar to 4acoDMT. Some of the longer acting phens are emotionally deep, visually rich & can be insightful
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hehe, like I imagined, I search something impossible (unknown at least). Thanks for inputs and patience, I stay with triptamines for more serious short trips, and some phens for mild recreational short experiences :)
 
Just to confirm, have you tried 2C-E yet? Although many people find it has an uncomfortable body load, I've used it many times at high doses and have found it to be no more uncomfortable than psilocybin. I couldn't tell from your post whether you've tried it or not yet, but if not then don't let other peoples' experiences discourage you. Everybody reacts differently.

I've not yet tried 2C-D. I used 2C-C many times at doses up to 120mg, and while I enjoyed the compound, I really didn't find it insightful.

I also think on some level that overcoming uncomfortable physical feelings may spur the self-reflection that can make psychedelics so useful for examining our....well our psyche. If a trip is 100% candy and giggles than I'm more likely to just fuck around instead of doing any serious thinking.

As far as finding a phen that's similar to a tryptamine...I haven't found one yet. Although 2C-E takes itself seriously and isn't really what I'd consider recreational for the most part, I still find good old fashioned shrooms to be by far the most useful tool in examining myself. I really don't get much from phens, although perhaps I just do them too often.
 
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Just to confirm, have you tried 2C-E yet? Although many people find it has an uncomfortable body load, I've used it many times at high doses and have found it to be no more uncomfortable than psilocybin. I couldn't tell from your post whether you've tried it or not yet, but if not then don't let other peoples' experiences discourage you. Everybody reacts differently.

I've not yet tried 2C-D. I used 2C-C many times at doses up to 120mg, and while I enjoyed the compound, I really didn't find it insightful.

I also think on some level that overcoming uncomfortable physical feelings may spur the self-reflection that can make psychedelics so useful for examining our....well our psyche. If a trip is 100% candy and giggles than I'm more likely to just fuck around instead of doing any serious thinking.

As far as finding a phen that's similar to a tryptamine...I haven't found one yet. Although 2C-E takes itself seriously and isn't really what I'd consider recreational for the most part, I still find good old fashioned shrooms to be by far the most useful tool in examining myself. I really don't get much from phens, although perhaps I just do them too often.
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I don´t try 2C-E because the body load reputation and specially for the longer duration. Also I heard from many people that this is emotionally neutral, even dark. I like emotionally openers like psila or shrooms (but i dont use shrooms because extreme anxiety/panic body load at come up). 2c-b seems very neutral emotionally to me too. however, tha major inconvenient involving 2c-e for me is duration...
 
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