Bupe shooting bupe!?! need help.

[Jabberwocky]

so, I have NOT MANY BUPE left and now w/ my 2nd DUI I dont have many ways to pick-up and get more to "help out". I've read many times that shooting bupe is def. a NO-NO but I know many users do and have had good reports back.

well, my question is this (and yes, I did my research and even done it before but would like a new thread and my own questions answered):

1. how much bupe are you shooting?
2. how you you mixing? (last time I just crushed, added about 60ML water and mixed, sucked up, shot back into another spoon and did the same).
3. do you get the immediate feel or you waiting?
4.is it really that dangerous if you miss a vein? I've always missed/not cared if I missed a small portion of a shot. but read many times now that missing a bupe shot can cause serious damage. although, and again, I have shot bupe before but felt maybe I didnt shoot enough, didnt do it right, or maybe it truly did nothing.

anyway, help me out bupe shooters. I know many people say NOT TO SHOOT unless you have no other options.. well, I have NO OTHER OPTIONS!

 

[watermellon]

I use between .25 and .5mg per shot depending on my mood. Usually .5 in the mornings and .25 at night. I use .2 cc water for .25mg and .4 cc for .5mg....make sure you filter it 2x with tightly rolled wet cotton, or better yet micron filters if you can afford them, about 5 bux a piece. I filter 2x with cotton and the solution is always clear and not like syrup. I have missed 3-4 times in total and they were only partial misses, like less than 5 units and never got an abscess. If you do miss apply heat to it with a heating pad or warm washcloth. Do not use ice. Idealy try to stick to half mg a day or at very most no more than 1.5mg. If you think your gonna get high don't be fooled, at very best you'll get a glow for about a hr. pretty much like a normal persons morning cup of coffee.

I find 1.5mg iv'd = about 5ish SubL

 

[Jabberwocky]

ha. I love the "normal persons coffee". wouldnt it be nice to be a "normal" person and not have to SHOOT A FUCKING DRUG to get the same glow that some get from a coffee.

and yes, I would be chasing a high, so part of me wants to not even bother. as mentioned, I've done it before and dont remember feeling a fucking thing, so who knows. I thought maybe I just didnt use enough or I was too much of a dope fiend at the time.. but neither was probably the issue.

I guess I will always be chasing that dope high.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

dont bother. bupe is gross homey.

 

[Lorne???]

I use between .25 and .5mg per shot depending on my mood. Usually .5 in the mornings and .25 at night. I use .2 cc water for .25mg and .4 cc for .5mg....make sure you filter it 2x with tightly rolled wet cotton, or better yet micron filters if you can afford them, about 5 bux a piece. I filter 2x with cotton and the solution is always clear and not like syrup. I have missed 3-4 times in total and they were only partial misses, like less than 5 units and never got an abscess. If you do miss apply heat to it with a heating pad or warm washcloth. Do not use ice. Idealy try to stick to half mg a day or at very most no more than 1.5mg. If you think your gonna get high don't be fooled, at very best you'll get a glow for about a hr. pretty much like a normal persons morning cup of coffee.

I find 1.5mg iv'd = about 5ish SubL

1.5mg IV buprenorphine is a huge dose; it is equal to at least 8mg sublingual, likely more(esp. comparing to the tablet form).

IV buprenorphine provides no rush whatsoever; it takes a few minutes for it to start kicking in, and it takes 15-30 minutes to reach full effect.

It doesn't take much water; I usually use 1-1.5ml for my shots, but the 0.6ml you used was plenty.

The dose depends on tolerance, obviously. IV buprenorphine is several times more potent than sublingual, however the half-life is MUCH shorter.(1.5-7h IV, vs 12-44h sublingual).

The exact conversion varies from person to person, but 6-8x as potent is a good estimation.

Your not really gaining much by shooting it, though, it basically just compresses the dose into one short spike, rather than the long effects of sublingual administration.

As far as missing shots, you definitely don't want to miss, but I have missed parts of shots here and there over the years and never had any trouble whatsoever, though that doesn't mean you will. Personally I think suboxone is better than most pills peopl shoot, because you're only injecting a small fraction of a pill. I mean, if you do 0.5mg, that is 1/16th; 0.25 is 1/32th, and 0.125mg is only 1/64th of a pill! Compared to banging 4 Roxie's at once, it just doesn't seem as bad, though that is just my opinion.

Anyway, hope that helps.

(Oh, and a large shot still lasts 6-12h, despite the half-life, for reasons I don't feel like explaining, and you wouldn't care about)

 

[The Doc.]

I agree with 1.5 mgs IVed being about 5-6mgs sublingual its not quite 8mgs sublingual in my opinion.

I would do 0.5 shots they are pretty nice try to do that 4 times a day you should be feeling nice.

 

[Tommyboy]

Never do your suboxone induction via the IV roa. Whenever you start back on it after using a different opiate you need to take it sublingually first and wait a few hours before IV, but it's best to wait until the next day imo.

You really don't want to be doing more than 0.5mg per shot. It feels worse after that with more side effects and bad headaches.

Try for 0.5mg in the morning and the same at night. If you need something in between then try 0.25mg which should hold you until night.

The 0.5mg shot at night should hold you overnight so that you get a good 8 hours sleep without waking up early due to wd's.

 

[Jabberwocky]

do you guys heat/cook it at all? lets say I shoot a .05 in the AM, should I crush, add water, slight cook, add cotton (would be cotton ball - all I have), withdraw. then squirt back into another spoon, cook AGAIN, add cotton, and withdraw ONCE AGAIN (no water added 2nd time).

sound right to you guys? its what I've done before when shooting bupe (only shot it 2-3 times tops). but its exactly how I cook my dope (minus that 2nd cook).

 

[Lorne???]

Never do your suboxone induction via the IV roa. Whenever you start back on it after using a different opiate you need to take it sublingually first and wait a few hours before IV, but it's best to wait until the next day imo.

You really don't want to be doing more than 0.5mg per shot. It feels worse after that with more side effects and bad headaches.

Try for 0.5mg in the morning and the same at night. If you need something in between then try 0.25mg which should hold you until night.

The 0.5mg shot at night should hold you overnight so that you get a good 8 hours sleep without waking up early due to wd's.

This advice is spot on.

Though I'm not really sure what the OP's intended goal is.

 

[Jabberwocky]

this isnt a bupe intro whatsoever; I've used it multiple times over the past few weeks/months, whatever. I just took 8MG bupe yesterday around noon (4MG orally and 4MG sniffed). then around midnight I shot a half gram of dope and still felt it; today around 9PM I did 2MG bupe orally and tomorrow morning I will shoot .5 since I am running out of bupe and need all the help I can get at this point. I am TRYING to join the methadone clinic but not sure if that will work since I no longer have a license.

 

[Lorne???]

Never, ever, EVER heat buprenorphine. Seriously, man, it is totally unnecessary. You're actually not supposed to heat any pills, all it does is release insoluble binders into your shot. The opioid itself dissolved just find in cold water.

And if you are doing powder dope(IE heroin no. 4, AKA diamorphine HCL) you don't need to heat that either.

A lot if people heat dope/pills because they don't know any better. However you have the Internet, so there is no reason for you do continue injecting without educating yourself.

I can tell you want someone to give you personalized advice/info, and that's ok, I'll go with that, but we have an injection mega thread, as well as a suboxone/buprenorphine mega thread you need to check out, ASAP.

 

[Jabberwocky]

well, that was easy. I couldnt wait no longer so I just shot it a second ago. forgot how much easier it was to see the blood when shooting white pills rather than dark brown dope. I put 6ML water but after I rinsed it once, and then again, I only shot probably 3ML. I did HEAT IT because I read this after but I never heat till I bubble I just heat till its a bit more fine.

anyway, stuck it in the vein, draw back, and boom, saw the blood w/ ease because the shot was damn near clear! I am used to it being dark brown and not even being able to see blood or at least having a hard time; forgot what that was like.

right after injection my mind was put to ease (thats just comes w/ the needle) and then I realized I didnt feel a thing so I came back here to post.

probably shot right around .5MG, maybe a BIT more if that. was hard to split the pill in half, esp. coming from 8MG down to .5MG; I took the bigger half, crushed it, threw it in the spoon, added the water, threw a cotton bottom, drained, into another spoon, another cotton ball, another drain, and BOOM, into the needle once again. from there its into the vein and PUSH.. AHHH! all gone.

hopefully I can get some DOPE later today and this .5 means shit.

Lorne - you NEVER heat your regular powder dope? I've read many times that you dont have to but I have also been told many times its better and makes it that much easier; seems like a thing that is up to the user but never a problem either way. why would it be a problem to heat up powder dope? other than cooking it too much and have it go away.

 

[Lorne???]

Well there really isn't a problem hearing powder dope, but depending on what it's cut with, you're allowing more nasty shit into the shot.

You don't need to heat powder. It makes BO difference. Diamorphine(heroin) is extremely water soluble; it dissolves instantly when you add cold water.

But no, I never heat anything, even MSContin. The only thing I heat is black tar, but I never get that shit anyway so it doesn't matter.

...I take that back, I recently did heat a shot of HCL dope. It was odd, as it was white/gray, and it was good shit(not as good as the white powder he usually gets, but still far better than the typical brown dope you get outside of ATL) but it was chunky, and I didn't crush it enough...

Ok, I am babbling, but no, hearing isn't really necessary with dope. But please don't hear pills, at least; it is not only unnecessary, but bad for you.

And it takes 20-30 minutes to feel the full effect from buprenorphine(even IV) so give it a minute. If you weren't sick though, you're not likely to catch a buzz, unless you have a low tolerance.

 

[Jabberwocky]

anytime I didnt heat my dope I'd always feel it wasnt a smooth of a shot; then again, it was probably just a mental thing.

I never shot pills besides dilaudid; I may have heated but that was years ago so I forget now.

hopefully I feel SOMETHING; I have a gram a day dope habit and was recently taking 4-8MG/day orally of bupe. so this .5 shot may do NOTHING but at least it fed my needle addiction. sick thought, I know.

 

[Lorne???]

You may very well need another 0.5mg if you're doing that much bupe. But like I said, it takes a while to feel the full effect.

You should try and lower your tolerance though; I know a gram a day is hard to sustain without a license!

 

[Jabberwocky]

shot did shit. may shoot another in an hour or so; I have work at 830 and probably WONT be able to get dope, if at all, till around 6PM or so. last thing I want to do is go into any withdrawal at work or feel like shit while at work; I may even take some bupe w/ me just incase.

I plan on going to the methadone clinic tomorrow so I am going to need to shoot some dope prior to going just to piss dirty. surprised they dont test for bupe and allow that as a "dirty" piss. instead I gotta go use dope just to show I am a junkie? why? either way, I want to blast another gram before I TRY to stop ONCE AGAIN! I used last on Saturday night around mid-night and was only a half gram shot, so there is a good chance it may be out of my system by Tuesday afternoon.

 

[The Doc.]

God I can't believe you heated the solution up all those particles are in your blood stream now its not quite the same as heroin (even though heating that is unnecessary too) you may see the particles dissolve for a "cleaner shot" but once subjected the particles harden in bad place in your body such as the lungs or heart which can cause problems later on that can very easily kill you. Here read this

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/647606-How-quot-clean-quot-are-micron-filtered-pills-for-IV-use

Shows what micro. Filters remove vs cotton and its quite surprising also shows what heating the pills do to the solution.

 

[Jabberwocky]

shot another .5 before I left this morning; feeling OK! will grab dope later today and blast that off as well.

maybe I am missing something but why is it a big deal to heat? same goes for reg. brown powder? why? this is only my 2nd or 3rd time shooting pills; I never heat to boil I just need to make it that much more of a fine/clear solution. same goes w/ the brown; yes, I've heated tar before to melting and boiling but powder ill always heat to make it a finer/clear shot.

 

[XThexXTank]

.5-2mg per shot. Never do more man it will be too goopy.

Mix cold water. I put 50 units maybe a bit more for 2mg. I wait 5/10 min for it to dissolve on its own than mix it to get it in a solution so there are no pieces. Break it up as small as you can so it mixes better.

It takes a few minutes to kick in.

Yes if you miss a vein instant abcess, doctor and scalpel. My friend had this happen, he missed and they froze it and cut it off. Suboxone doesnt absorb into the skin like dope does so dont miss man.

 

[ErgicMergic]

IVing suboxone, especially non-micron-filtered, will lead to unnecessary vein damage with very little benefit, considering the consequences...

I would just stick to plugging it... I mean, 8mg bupe is already a huge dose sublingually, so why not plug 1-4mg at almost double the BA as taking it sublingually?


As long as you wash oral syringes with hot alcohol and don't share them, you can reuse them with minimal health risk... It is worth giving it a try before jumping in to IV use... the very quick onset of plugged bupe and considerably longer half life versus IV bupe makes the intrarectal ROA the best way to "shoot" bupe, IMO.