Shelf life of old research chems

[ozmotion]

So around the years 2000-2003 I was very interested in the 'research chemicals' I had read about on various sites dedicated to this subject, such as 5-meo-dipt, 2C-I, and 4-acetoxy-DET. It was very easy to obtain these chemicals at the time, so we did, gave them a shot, and were rewarded with positive experiences.

Anyhow, a friend has saved a modest amount of many of these research chems, and I was wondering about the safety and efficacy of these years-old samples today. They've been kept in air-tight vials and protected from light exposure, but I hope to get some feedback from the community before anything is attempted. The samples are about 7-10 years old.

The most important question is whether they're safe. Reduced efficacy isn't as looming of a concern, although it'd be nice to know what to expect.

edit: Apologies, after performing a second search on the topic with a different search tool, I found references for 2C-x compounds and LSD. But any comments on the other compounds I mentioned would be appreciated.

edit2: Several posts have commented on the stability of phenethylamines in general, but what about tryptamines? (if its appropriate to generalize in the first place)

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Of the tryptamines...If they are stored well, away from light, bone dry, silica gel all around, in the freezer...they are still good at 9 years.

Of the PEAs....dark, sealed vials, cool but not frozen, silica gel all around...fine at 10 years.

 

[ozmotion]

morninggloryseed! my name won't be familiar to you as ive tended to be a lurker, but you're very well known in my book as i've read many of your posts over the years and i'm happy to see that you're well and still active in the community.

you wouldn't happen to know what happened to the murple guy who used to post a lot, would you? he's one of the other persons I remember whose opinions i respected a lot.

anyhow, the tryptamines weren't stored in completely dessicated conditions so i'm not optimistic about them, but i have high hopes for the PEAs after your words. thank you.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Dunno. Didn't keep up with him.

What do the tryptamines look like? If they haven't discolored too much, or haven't turned to goopey messes, they should still be ok.

In addition to my pristine collection, I do have assorted odd vials and pills that were not stores as well...some with iprocin, some with 5-MeO-DMT, couple AMT freebase pills...and they seem fine as well. Maybe most tryptamines are not as delicate as we think.

 

[ozmotion]

I'm revisiting this thread to update with new information and to keep all these notes in one place.

Years-old (~7-8 yr old) samples of 2C-I and 4-acetoxy-DET were examined and tested for efficacy.

The 2C-I sample's appearance was identical to when it was originally produced, but its potency seemed diminished. Increasing dosage about ~25-35% seemed to produce effects identical to the original dosing.

The 4-acetoxy-DET sample's appearance was markedly different. The powder had darkened deeply in color, to a very dark/reddish brown tint, matching the appearance of a degraded sample shown on erowid's entry for the chemical. It was clumpy, and had a volatile solventy odor to it. Its efficacy, however, seems the same, with a possible very slight diminishing of its original potency.

Hope this helps anyone curious about chems that have been sitting in long-term storage.

 

[greenmeanies]

thank you for your very interesting data point.

So your aged sample of 2C-I, which most people say "should last longer than your expected lifetime", was of reduced potency (do you have a fresh batch to compare? or are you basing your subjective effects on written reports?) i'm curious to get an analysis of this 2c-i for possible degradation products.

while the 4-Aco-DET was brown and smelly but nearly as potent as originally remembered. I think I read a study of the 4-XX-T degradation products, something about the acetate moiety migrating to the nitrogen of the indole ring (a la ALD-52) or other polymerization reactions involving the 4-position oxygen that might be reversible in the body (causing no apparent potency loss).

 

[seagal26]

Murple lol .. I remember murple from lycaeum irc like 10 yrs ago. I was kind of wondering what happened to him also.

 

[drugs]

Interesting.

I agree with mgs I think tryptamines can last a long time as long as you store them somewhat well - e.g. not leaving a bag in sunlight at high temp for days and similar.

Surprising how the 2C-I seems to have degraded further than the 4-aco-det.

Edit: I think I have seen murple posting on another forum recently.

 

[Boognish]

I dunno if this is relevant, but I had a friend who somehow lost a vial of 5-meo-amt (I know, shitty chem) for a couple years. I'm not sure of the conditions the vial was exposed to, but it all turned pinkish/orange, and the dumbass that he is took a dose. Long story short, he was horribly sick for three days but tripped for the first 12 hours. I've had peas last for years though.

 

[Addam]

Thanks for the information.
I've been wondering about this lately as I've been considering grabbing a supply of DPT that should take a few decades to use up.
I've heard recently that DPT is one of the more stable tryptamines, anyone know if there is any veracity to this claim?

 

[ozmotion]

So your aged sample of 2C-I, which most people say "should last longer than your expected lifetime", was of reduced potency (do you have a fresh batch to compare? or are you basing your subjective effects on written reports?) i'm curious to get an analysis of this 2c-i for possible degradation products.

Unfortunately, the observations were purely subjective. There's also the confounding variable of measuring accuracy. The samples used in the past were collected with a consumer-grade scale accurate to 2mg; the present samples were collected with a lab-grade scale accurate to 1mg. Both were less than ideal so there's a chance that the perceived potency variation could have resulted from measurement error.

It is encouraging that any effect was seen at all, given that a partial loss in potency could at least be compensated for. The practical conclusion is that for these 2 chemicals (2c-i, 4-aco-det), there was a good portion of potency remaining after nearly 10 years, and that the chemicals hadn't degraded into something toxic.