Shared consciousness - A hypothesis of a possible cause to it's existence

[rickolasnice]

(If it does exist)..

So I was talking to a good friend of mine last night who seems to believe in the opposite thing regarding many aspects of the "supernatural" world.. We were discussing thing such as an experience two of my friends had this week;

One was laying there thinking about rubbing the others back (in a jokey way) when all of a sudden my other friend span his head round with a "what the fuck was that?" look on his face.. "Did you just touch me?" He goes on to explain he felt someone quickly touch his back (as if someone had very softly put their hand on his back and brought together their fingers and thumbs)..

This reminded me of a similar experience with the same friend that felt the hand on his back.. Over 10 years ago on a school camping trip we were sitting across from each other eating our breakfast when he looks up and says: "Yeah?" .. Asking why he said that he replies: "You just said my name"..

I was shocked because at that precise moment, in a day dream i was having, me or someone called out his name.

When musing on the idea of a plausibility to shared consciousness I came up with;

The human brain is one of the least understood yet most amazing things in the universe that we know of. Maybe there is a small network of neurons that react as a transmitter / receiver to other peoples consciousness - using electro-magnetic fields of brainwaves. It happens so rarely and unpredictably because we don't have conscious control of it and because the conditions need to be just right; for example; your brain waves will need to line up and match frequency perfectly WHILE the receiver / transmitter part of the brain is active. Not only that but the internal dialogue of your thought's would have to be connected to the transmitter / receiver and be stemming from the part of the brain responsible for thought's involving communicating with others, not just the dialogue or narrative of your daily activities or something. . or something like that.

I am aware i could probably do a bit of research into related areas of neurology and debunk this hypothesis (for me, any way) in no time but for now - I like it.. So I'm gonna allow myself to believe it plausible* - for now

*But please do explain why this hypothesis wouldn't work, if you know.

Thoughts?

 

[rickolasnice]

Does anyone have the full copy of this? It'd be much appreciated..

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304394010012899 (really want this one)

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/02604027.1997.9972607#.UtI9np5_vkw

 

[-=SS=-]

Going from personal experience with close friends and family I have no doubts it's possible to transmit/receive. Leaving more possible etheric explanations aside, physically perhaps the nervous system and brain is like a broadcasting tower.. when enough charge is there, or when two towers come into resonance, then a transfer of information/energy can take place.

 

[rickolasnice]

Well.. I've done a lot of reading and it seems that your brain waves are affected by the magnetic field, solar flares, all sorts.. but most importantly; another persons brain waves.

So what happens when you take a couple people and isolate them from the "background noise" and eachother, slap a couple of electromagnetic pulse generator hats set up to same frequency and oscillation and flash lights in one of the rooms?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304394010012899

No idea on the integrity of the study.. but i hope it's solid.

Watched a doc i found online last night which had a lot of interesting studies on it.. including one of people will start to feel an emotional response (although not consciously noticeable) 5 seconds before being shown a picture which caused the emotional response, one which suggested that people were slightly more psychic when sex was involved (although it went from 50ish% success to 53.1% or something.. not that great a confirmation ) oh yeah and one where blind people (who had damaged visual cortex or something during stroke, so still had one good eye) could still see emotion.. they showed a or a (but real people) to the blind eye and the person would subconsciously slightly mimic a smile or frown..

 

[-=SS=-]

I'd love to know what the military has to say on this topic, no doubts that they have spent effort investigating it. There's a lot of (unsubstantiated) conspiracy talk on this issue. I don't think it's too much to assume there's a possibility of manipulating individuals or groups of people using directed EM energy, it's clear we're somewhat electrical in nature.. all you need is the right frequency/s and power to influence electrical systems.

The reaction to emotion before it happens is interesting. If it is happening just a few moments prior does this suggest that the reality/universe 'lags'? Are we in some kind of complex computer-like simulation as has been suggested?

I'm quite partial to the idea that there is only one mind/one of us here at all times (aka 'god'). That when you strip away thoughts and such things that float around in our individual sphere of consciousness, that what remains is the same in me as it is in you. I remember one experience I had when me and friends did laughing gas, far too much over one night, when in one of our rounds we all sort of blacked out into what seemed like nothingness.. we all came to at the same moment and looked at each other in astonishment because it felt like we had all merged together briefly. We all had a bit of an emotional moment because it felt like we shared something outside of normal reality. I think we were all experiencing/aware from exactly the same point, if only briefly. Very strange experience.

Then there's the long list of experiences on other substances where we've shared the same hallucinations, only to realize it after the fact when we discussed it.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Rick, I suggest reading The Natural Mind by Andrew Weil. He talks a lot about the difference between the intuitive and the intellectual.

I have a firm example myself of shared consciousness, involving ketamine. Basically my partner and I both came out of the k-hole, in our living room, convinced we had spent the last 45 mins on a ship, specifically a longboat.

Everything is permitted.

 

[rickolasnice]

I'd love to know what the military has to say on this topic, no doubts that they have spent effort investigating it. There's a lot of (unsubstantiated) conspiracy talk on this issue. I don't think it's too much to assume there's a possibility of manipulating individuals or groups of people using directed EM energy, it's clear we're somewhat electrical in nature.. all you need is the right frequency/s and power to influence electrical systems.

Aye it might be sleep deprivation talking but HAARP and the like sound dodgy as fuck.. It's known that they can manipulate rainfall (well.. make it rain) and when you know their agenda:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-new-rulers-of-the-world/

I'm honestly hoping my friend gets his ass in gear and we're living in french woodland in the next half decade.. The world is going to shit.. The working class will become slaves for the elite within next 10 - 20 years I'm guestimating.

The reaction to emotion before it happens is interesting. If it is happening just a few moments prior does this suggest that the reality/universe 'lags'? Are we in some kind of complex computer-like simulation as has been suggested?

They hypothesize that time is actually running in 2 directions simultaneously.. and there, for a reason i cannot remember, is a pre-wave (can't think of right word) to the light moving backwards.

I'm quite partial to the idea that there is only one mind/one of us here at all times (aka 'god'). That when you strip away thoughts and such things that float around in our individual sphere of consciousness, that what remains is the same in me as it is in you. I remember one experience I had when me and friends did laughing gas, far too much over one night, when in one of our rounds we all sort of blacked out into what seemed e nothingness.. we all came to at the same moment and looked at each other in astonishment because it felt like we had all merged together briefly. We all had a bit of an emotionalquo moment because it felt like we shared something outside of normal reality. I think we were all experiencing/aware from exactly the same point, if only briefly. Very strange experience.

Me and my girlfriend had almost identical dreams at the same time on same night.. I was on top of a muddy hill picking up loads of clipper lighters of all different colours wondering why there were so many on the floor.. my girlfriend wakes up and tells me she just had a weird dream - me being me i made sure i didn't tell her anything about mine until she had finished telling me she was on top of a muddy hill and she had loads of clippers in her hands so she was dropping them on the floor because she didn't need them.

Ego loss or a completely dissolved sense of self with friends.. Doesn't surprise me you merged. I'd love to try this with friends but none of my mates like psychedelics.. and i don't like Noz ..

I was reading about brain waves trying to work out which one is most likely the culprit for shared consciousness when i came accross this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave

I was thinking about building myself something something similar to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulatiotn and playing around with it.. http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Real-Working-Brain-Ray-Transcran/#step4

There are ones for sale but they seem to focus on the lower frequency range, Alpha..

http://www.earthpulsetechnologies.com/middle.htm

Another interesting set of studies; using gamma ray random number generators - which show evidence of being influenced by concentrating on them (not surprising.. our brain emits gamma rays when concentrating) but then the Global Consciousness Project seems to show anomalies when emotional events happen (sept 11, for example).. Just how powerful are brain waves?

Oh and another theory you might like is that the ionosphere, which is used to bounce communications around the world, is also capable of bouncing human brain waves around the world, connecting us all to eachother.. but to be honest i read that on someones HAARP conspiracy theory page.

Rick, I suggest reading The Natural Mind by Andrew Weil. He talks a lot about the difference between the intuitive and the intellectual.

I would say I will but I won't I don't read a lot of books.. God a long list of "want to's" staring me in the face as i type this.

I'm still in sciences corner.. I still believe consciousness is a product of the physical brain and consciousness will cease to exist when dead.

 

[exists]

Rick, I've been giving the idea of shared consciousness serious consideration since last summer. It all came together when I realized that our bodies produce EM fields, and that EM fields follow the inverse square law (ISL). The ISL shows that the intensity of power from any EM source never reaches zero at any distance. The non-zero property is easy to prove, since the formula for the ISL itself can be calculated by anyone who's gone through grade school.

The EM fields generated by our brains don't stay contained within our skulls. In fact, given enough time, I believe the EM fields can reach the outermost reaches of the cosmos, although by then they will be very, very, very weak.

What I think is happening is that there are small fluctuations in the EM fields produced by living creatures. These fluctuations contain information, and like-minds can pick up and decode the information. When people are in close proximity to each other, the likelihood of picking up these signals is increased.

But even great distances between people are probably not enough to keep information from passing between minds. Take dreams, for instance. A lot of dreams are considered random and irrelevant to our own lives... but are they really? Maybe we're picking up the thoughts of other people in our sleep?

I don't think it's too much to assume there's a possibility of manipulating individuals or groups of people using directed EM energy, it's clear we're somewhat electrical in nature.. all you need is the right frequency/s and power to influence electrical systems.

Based on what we know and what has already been established, there's no doubt in my mind that human behavior can be influenced by the right electrical fields. My only doubts relate to how much people have learned about influencing human behavior, and whether or not any groups are actually doing it. I truly hope not. However, when I hear stories like the Navy Yard shooter, and that lady driving through barricades in DC (amongst others), and how the perpetrators thought they were being electronically fucked with, I really have to wonder.

I'm quite partial to the idea that there is only one mind/one of us here at all times (aka 'god'). That when you strip away thoughts and such things that float around in our individual sphere of consciousness, that what remains is the same in me as it is in you.

It firmly believe that we are all "the same," in a fundamental sense. But being contained within separate bodies, we have become individuals. Who knows if that persists after death? We might get caught up into a single mass, or we might retain our individuality. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, so either way, we will definitely live on in some manner, even if we lose our cohesion n the process

 

[rickolasnice]

HAARP has a seriously powerful high low cannon that can reach and manipulate the ionesphere, which i think has a good chance of manipulating lower hemispheres to the point in controlling weather..

But they also have one that works in the 0 - 10Hz wavelength.. which matches Alpha brain waves.

/end sleep deprived conspiracy theory discussion

You two might like this vid (I've only just started watching)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kMNaPmmuHCs

 

[exists]

HAARP has a seriously powerful high low cannon that can reach and manipulate the ionesphere, which i think has a good chance of manipulating lower hemispheres to the point in controlling weather..

Isn't HAARP's stated purpose to manipulate the ionosphere in order to increase communications efficiency? I think it is quite likely that it could be used for other things, or have unintended effects. Our messing around with EM fields could very well be one of the most foolish things we have ever done.

But they also have one that works in the 0 - 10Hz wavelength.. which matches Alpha brain waves.

That reminds me... I have an idea that might work for transmitting thoughts. I have the means to carry out the experiment (it only involves writing a program), but I'm still unsure if it would be right to do so or not. On one hand, if it works, then I could possibly help prove the existence of telepathy, and the world would gain a better understanding of what it means to be human. We might learn that there's more to mental illness than we thought. On the other hand (if it works) it might be considered invasive, and I really don't need the hate

You two might like this vid (I've only just started watching)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kMNaPmmuHCs

Can't watch it... well if I waited days for it to load, I could. What's it about? Is there a discussion about it anywhere?

 

[rickolasnice]

try a different link..

I say do it.

 

[-=SS=-]

Ah, good ol' HARRP. Potentially one of the most lethal experiments ever conducted, more so than the atomic bomb. If the ionosphere were ever to discharge all at once down an ionized channel created by HARRP the consequences would be catastrophic. There has only ever been one person who really grasped what the ionosphere was about and its potentials, the man who first pinged it electrically, Nikola Tesla. He was the man who proposed utilizing the ionosphere for energy transmission, and "bouncing brain waves around the world". Absolute genius. I suspect it is his work that the military used as the foundation for their research into EM mind control and other interests.. they confiscated all his work as soon as he died, which was days before he was due to meet high level officials regarding his death ray machine.

 

[rickolasnice]

HAARP has a seriously powerful high low cannon that can reach and manipulate the ionesphere, which i think has a good chance of manipulating lower hemispheres to the point in controlling weather..

What the fuck is a high low cannon? lol.. I meant High frequency cannon.. or laser..

 

[exists]

try a different link..

I don't know what it's about, and I'm feeling lazy

I say do it.

Heck, I'm not sure if it's going to even work or not. But assuming it does, I have to at least approach it ethically.

Ah, good ol' HARRP. Potentially one of the most lethal experiments ever conducted, more so than the atomic bomb. If the ionosphere were ever to discharge all at once down an ionized channel created by HARRP the consequences would be catastrophic. There has only ever been one person who really grasped what the ionosphere was about and its potentials, the man who first pinged it electrically, Nikola Tesla. He was the man who proposed utilizing the ionosphere for energy transmission, and "bouncing brain waves around the world". Absolute genius. I suspect it is his work that the military used as the foundation for their research into EM mind control and other interests.. they confiscated all his work as soon as he died, which was days before he was due to meet high level officials regarding his death ray machine.

Do you have a link for Tesla's brainwave-bouncing theory? I'd like to hear more about it.

I read a book on Tesla back in the 90s... the dude was a certifiable genius. A bit eccentric, but I'm pretty it comes with the territory

 

[-=SS=-]

I was just saying that the dude who said that (that Rick found on a HARRP conspiracy page) was probably referencing Tesla. There's a Tesla quote, in relation to his Wardenclyffe Tower, "When wireless is fully applied the earth will be converted into a huge brain, capable of response in every one of its parts". Now whether he meant that to be taken literally or not I don't know.. but the same system was to be used to provide wireless electricity, modify weather patterns, and a basic forerunner to the modern day internet.

 

[Foreigner]

It depends on what you define as consciousness. I don't think individual ego is transmitted in any meaningful way, mostly because it's a fictitious part of consciousness. There is consciousness, and then there is ego. I believe consciousness can transmit. In shared fields, people are able to transmit thoughts, impressions, feelings, etc. The more often you are around someone, you eventually establish resonance and begin to have synchronistic moments of consciousness.

There are people on this planet who can influence entire rooms of people simply by being present. They are usually people of higher spiritual attainment, and who do regular work on their consciousness. Consciousness is a field that interacts with the body, but isn't the body. The two are linked. There is no difference between matter and energy, it's all just on varying frequencies. Your thoughts, in your dense brain, are just frequencies at a denser vibration. All frequencies transmit, and when resonance is established there is two way communication. How often do people think that they are making choices in vacuo, when in fact their field has been touched by some outside force?

I really believe the key to understanding consciousness is field theory, and science will make huge evolutionary leaps once it stops clinging so hard to material reductionism. The attachment is so stubborn at this point that it almost seems conspiratorial. Fortunately many people are breaking off and studying this anyway.

 

[Psyduck]

science will make huge evolutionary leaps once it stops clinging so hard to material reductionism. The attachment is so stubborn at this point that it almost seems conspiratorial.

vice versa, for those so-called "spiritual people" who claim to have superior knowledge/skills withouth actually having any serious proof/evidence, besides some anecdotical/concincidental data and subjective/emotional experience.

.... pulling the "boohooo anti-science and materialism" card is very weak. If you really want to convince people about spirituality, one should actively discuss their experiences and communicate them in an intelligible and systematic way.

p.s. I am not a materialist, but I would never would call thousands of hard-working and intelligent scientists "shallow" or "one-sided."

 

[rickolasnice]

I don't see how shared consciousness has to fall outside of materialism any way but oh well..

Does anyone have any related scientific studies or articles they could share?

Anything from extremely low frequency info to electromagnetic field info that could be incorporated into this idea?

I'd love the funding to conduct experiments involving monks (or anyone who can control their brain waves through meditation) / anyone willing (long term couples, twins, best friends, etc), rooms that would shield participants from magnetic interference as well as interference from as many frequencies as possible, a device that can influence brain waves (probably elctro-magnetic in nature), and a whole host of standard measuring equipment and scientists who don't know the meaning of the experiments..

 

[exists]

I don't see how shared consciousness has to fall outside of materialism any way but oh well..

Neither do I. Materialism doesn't inherently rule out psi phenomena. EM fields are a property of matter, right? So is quantum entanglement, though I'm not sure if QE can actually be used to send complex messages or not.

Does anyone have any related scientific studies or articles they could share?

Check out this page, it lists a bunch of studies (you might want to do a search to verify their existence):

http://deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm

 

[Foreigner]

vice versa, for those so-called "spiritual people" who claim to have superior knowledge/skills withouth actually having any serious proof/evidence, besides some anecdotical/concincidental data and subjective/emotional experience.

I have nothing to prove nor do I care about appeals to authority. Both scientific and "spiritual" people make sweeping generalizations all the time about the experiences of others, inserting assumptions about reality, with no evidence, where they really have no place doing so -- and they do this *all the time*.

.... pulling the "boohooo anti-science and materialism" card is very weak. If you really want to convince people about spirituality, one should actively discuss their experiences and communicate them in an intelligible and systematic way.

Well, primarily, I don't care to convince anyone of anything as I have no emotional need to do so. I will, however, attempt to satiate other people's curiosity if it helps them in their search for truth. Ultimately, people should do what works for them. I find it puerile to argue over stuff like this because it's like the left hand fighting with the right. We're all just humans being humans and we all have the right to self-determination.

As for systems... well, there are plenty of systems, but scientists reject them because they don't use compatible language, epistemology, or methodology. In order to genuinely have these discussions, you need to take people's experiences at face value and assume that something is potentially possible instead of presuming that someone should prove it to you based on your epistemological framework, which is arrogant.

There is also something inherently divisive about presuming that because someone can't prove something to you with hard materialism, that they were not engaging their logical faculties of observation during their original experience. I call things "spiritual" because those experiences impacted me in that way, but why must "spiritual" always be associated with a departure from logic? I take my rational faculties with me wherever I go, thank you very much.

p.s. I am not a materialist, but I would never would call thousands of hard-working and intelligent scientists "shallow" or "one-sided."

That's not something I've done. I've met plenty of open minded scientists. My best friend is one, and I've introduced him to some of the phenomenon I've witnessed.

There's no point in having a spiritual search for truth if you're not analyzing the veracity of you own experiences. I have a lot of problems with "spiritual" people and new agers for this reason. They think that anything that their gross mind dumps at them must be actually happening and therefore anything is possible. I don't believe that. I believe there is truth and it's discernible. My problem with science, like any system, is that it has its fundamentalists who have the childish tendency to believe everything they are spoonfed by research instead of going out and trying to have the experience themselves. For this reason I would coin myself as "spiritual scientist".

As you can see, I'm a big fan of experiential learning. No, I do not believe science in its current format is willing to come with me and analyzing my experiences with honesty. I believe individual scientists have done it and continue to do it. I do not think science, as an institution, is willing right now. It is capable, but not willing.