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Sexuality in the media

I must say that all the excerpts look taken from letters to the magazine, interviews or the suchlike, and I have a feeling that if I would ever read the original research article, I (or many other researcher) could crush it on methodolological grounds.

Anywaywe can discuss whether such letters (if they are letters) and interviews should be published and given visibility in the media, but it would a tricky subject of debate..
 
I think there is a base male desire to predate, subjugate, or subdue that does not reconcile well with the most civilized aspects of our capitalist free market culture.

It finds the most at tune and direct expression behind closed doors in most of polite industrialized western society. The watered down derivatives of show up in various psychological battles between the armies of Mars and Venus.

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I dunno, behind closed doors for me, I spend more time petting, kissing, squeezing and telling my S/O how win she is (and did so with my past S/O's) than I do trying to subjugate or subdue her.
 
That's nice and very personal, but how does that add anything valuable to the discussion?

Exceptions are nice, but they don't disquiet any lingering feelings of supernatural strangulation or rejection by authority figures I am sure.
 
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Well, I'm taking an unwarranted, flawed, extrapolation that if this trait is something which produced by a protein that is coded for by a gene on the Y chromosome (It would have to be, since females share all other genes with males) seeing I have a (fully functional) Y chromosome, than I should have said trait, since I express all genes on my Y chromosome. I suppose, this can be supported by wide observation of many males who act in a similar manner. Y chromosome is small and highly conserved, with fairly few variants. One would expect any trait carried by a gene one it to be prevalent in all (or at least all fertile) men.
 
I don't think the media creates rape culture, though I do believe that it perpetuates it.

Women are unquestionably presented in mainstream media as objects devoid of their own agency. Very rarely are sexual images presented for a woman's gaze.

Compare these two images:

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<divergence>CHRIS EVANS OMFG</divergence>*ahem*Anyway, back to the topic at hand...these are ads for respectively Gucci Guilty's men's and women's fragrances. In which one does the woman look like she's in control of the situation? Answer = neither. The closest she comes to having any kind of control in the situation is the one where she's looking at the camera, but she still unquestionably looks like the person being owned rather than an equal party in shenanigans.

Ads in general are made for a man's gaze, even when they're selling a product for women. The same is true for anything else we see in the media. There are exceptions obviously, but in general this is true. This is why we live in a culture where a guy can have sex with a woman against her will and get away with it if she was wearing the wrong clothes, or if she's fucked a lot of guys before, or if one or both of them were drunk enough, or so and so forth....

I don't think the media is responsible for women being seen as sexual objects first and people second, but it's definitely a large part of it.
 
rangrz said:
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Well, I'm taking an unwarranted, flawed, extrapolation that if this trait is something which produced by a protein that is coded for by a gene on the Y chromosome (It would have to be, since females share all other genes with males) seeing I have a (fully functional) Y chromosome, than I should have said trait, since I express all genes on my Y chromosome. I suppose, this can be supported by wide observation of many males who act in a similar manner. Y chromosome is small and highly conserved, with fairly few variants. One would expect any trait carried by a gene one it to be prevalent in all (or at least all fertile) men.
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I didn't read that book or take that class. How can that be written for a simple layman like myself?

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Well, traits which are heritable (i.e. those which can be selected for by evolution) are coded for by various genes. Each gene codes for a protein. The protein is actually what comprises your body and it's various features. The gene is "translated" into protein by your cells. If the desire/urge to subjugate females was genetic, it would be coded for by some genes. Females and males have all of the same genes, save those on the males Y chromosome. (Which, broadly, can been seen as females lacking the genes required for a penis/testicles, beyond that male and females are the same and work the same physiologically) The Y chromosome is a very small chromosome, it does not have many genes. It's also very conserved. Males with non-trivial mutations on the Y chromosome tend to be infertile, and as such can be treated as irrelevant from an evolutionary stand-point.

If this trait was genetic, it would be present in nearly all men. But given how many men exist who don't want to subjugate women, this seems unlikely. It would also be a trait that would be, without fail, passed from Father to Son, as all genes on the Y chromosome are "dominant" due to the Y being only inherited from one's father/only having one copy. So, every person who had a misogynistic father, if it was genetic, would also be misogynist. This is clearly not the case.
 
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That was an interesting documentary, thanks for sharing. While I've got nothing against porn etc., I do have to admit I found some of the stuff in there a bit shocking, like the little girls dressing up in such sexualized outfits and practically humping the air...it's just wrong. They put it well by saying that people have started to go from toddlers to teenagers.
The new Diesel campaign really bugs me too.
I also very much agree with what they say in regards to the princess thing. I've always thought those Disney movies were vaguely misogynistic.

(I do think they exaggerated a few things though, like I wouldn't consider a 15 year-old coming to school in skinny jeans 'inappropriate'...)
 
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kaywholed said:
media is about profit, not the dissemination of proven fact.

That is why hustler and cosmo have headlines that sell copies, not factual boring shit.
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I kinda think they like pushing this culture of despair on us more than they like making money off of it, but don't get me wrong, they do enjoy making money. Even if only a few people buy it, they still make a killing from selling ads.

Really, I think we would buy whatever they sold us, and if they got rid of the retard shit, we would actually as a whole we would start buying intellectual and decent stuff.
 
I don't see it that way.

I just think people do not really think about how deeply ingrained the cultures of the two sexes can be in some societies.

I don't think the media is to be blamed for women wanting for attention, admiration, and validation.

I think a lot of people just don't want to admit that they want to have their cake and eat it too--not even to themselves!
 
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