Hello everyone,
I'm Abe - I have not posted here before however I did post one time on "drugs-forum" and got the ban stick.
I recommended Kratom to a lady suffering from withdrawals and put the companies name who gives out free kratom samples... anyway - I wont be doing that here.
So.. I guess i'll jump in and go straight to the point.
I have bad facet joints in my back due to a car accident that happened five years ago, they are very inflamed and have been going back and fourth for the first two years trying to figure out where the pain was coming from.. that's a whole different story in itself.
My current situation: My wife, and myself are currently on month THREE of Suboxone withdrawal, and it's not getting better.
How did I get to this point? I was taking 8-12 mg suboxone strips a day for 2 years ~ started me off at 2mg a DAY within 6 months I was already at 8mg strips a day.
I failed a drug test for THC popping up as well as methadone (I literally took one fucking methadone pill from someone at work because I didn't have my Suboxone and I was in some bad pain...) The THC thing ..well that's why I was on Suboxone to begin with, they where going to give me Vicodin at first but they changed their mind after seeing THC in my results.. I don't blame them for legally changing the medicine to something they are "legally" allowed to prescribe me.. unfortunately in my case it was Suboxone, but the way it was explained to me was completely wrong.. not only was I told that this is a non addictive form of pain medication, I was told that it is a miracle drug compared to Vicodin via long term use, hence why it's "SO EXPENSIVE".. I pay $350.00 a month for health insurance for my self alone and they wouldn't even cover the Suboxone. I was spending about $500 a month on Suboxone.
It's clear my doc got kick backs from the pharm. company he always had coupons and promotions from them and he would try to shove it down everyones throat as i have personally seen it.
I was being prescribed so much Suboxone that my wife started to take some too for physical pain, eventually she started taking it often like me, maybe for a year straight at about 4-6 mg a day. Half the amount and time I was on it for.
I got a call from my doctors assistant the day of my refill appointment pretty much telling me not to come in and they will no longer fill my script. At that point I didn't care, and I didn't think it was a big deal. Mentally I didn't feel like I was addicted to anything so I figured stopping cold turkey would be no problem.
Four days later me and my wife look like Dennis and Dee from it's always Sunny in Philadelphia when they began withdrawing from crack.. Seriously - my wife was taken to the ER a week after the withdrawals had started and we both thought we where literally going to die..
At that point, we didn't know much about what was going on.. neither did the ER. The ER prescribed her some sort anti depressant but it was such a low dose it only helped the first day and by the second day she was already out of medicine. (THE ER doc only prescribed 10 because he was afraid she might have an addictive personality).
Our symptoms at this point where literally anything you could name: Obviously we both had the chills, our body temperature was constantly changing, felt like the worst fever of our lives, my blood pressure was at Stage 1 hypertension which is higher then usual for me.. At this point the worst part is mental, and then physical. I wake up almost every day having diarrhea, I've had it for 3 months now and it wont go away. I've tried taking Imodium however it really upsets my stomach, and I do not like the way it makes me feel even though it does work when I do take it, but only for that day or so. I tried taking pro biotic pills for my stomach and that hurt my stomach even worse then the Imodium so I quit on that completely. I still cannot sleep, about every couple hours I'm waking up with full sweats and a completely nauseous. It has been a very normal routine for me to wake up around 5-6 am every morning, barf and shit my self all morning, then go to work. I am sick of doctors and at this point would rather walk into a burning building before going to another BS clinic etc..
Honestly at this point I am not proud of what we are doing to make it through our day, my wife feels the same way.. we switch between Kratom, Dilaudid, Vicodin, Tylenol # 4, Tramadol, (not any more but xanax & other bars..) I've also been high 24/7 throughout this whole process, I go crazy if I do not smoke - I have never been this way but I feel like I am addicted to ANYTHING that will alter my mental state. All these things had helped with our withdrawals but I am afraid they are also prolonging it? Either way with or without other drugs/medicine right now I believe we would still be withdrawing hard but maybe not as bad? We both never had taken MDMA - the opportunity came up maybe after a month of withdrawals ,we both felt like crap anyway so we said screw it why not? Well I'm glad we did because literally for that night and the next few days we fealt AMAZING - it's like the MDMA was good for the withdrawals? It was pure MDMA tested - they where little twitter pills i think 1-2 points each?
Are we going about this wrong? I tried talking to a rehab place and their solution was to come in and sit in a bed for up to 90 days.. I don't think so ~ I have a job and a wife I need to support I can't afford to go 3 months without work.. I don't ever want to take Suboxone again, even if it kills me. I've never thought of my self as an "addict" but lately that's all we have been because we physically would be better of doing drugs now then not.. can somebody chime in on this logic?
If it was just physical pain it would be okay, but it sure does test you especially when your wife is withdrawing right next to you! (If anything it has made us closer but it makes everything really hard!)
Oh btw the severe part of the withdrawal lasted 2-3 weeks after quitting ~ I would say on a pain scale of 10 that the pain was like.. 10
Now I would say we are at level "7-8"..
I'm Abe - I have not posted here before however I did post one time on "drugs-forum" and got the ban stick.
I recommended Kratom to a lady suffering from withdrawals and put the companies name who gives out free kratom samples... anyway - I wont be doing that here.
So.. I guess i'll jump in and go straight to the point.
I have bad facet joints in my back due to a car accident that happened five years ago, they are very inflamed and have been going back and fourth for the first two years trying to figure out where the pain was coming from.. that's a whole different story in itself.
My current situation: My wife, and myself are currently on month THREE of Suboxone withdrawal, and it's not getting better.
How did I get to this point? I was taking 8-12 mg suboxone strips a day for 2 years ~ started me off at 2mg a DAY within 6 months I was already at 8mg strips a day.
I failed a drug test for THC popping up as well as methadone (I literally took one fucking methadone pill from someone at work because I didn't have my Suboxone and I was in some bad pain...) The THC thing ..well that's why I was on Suboxone to begin with, they where going to give me Vicodin at first but they changed their mind after seeing THC in my results.. I don't blame them for legally changing the medicine to something they are "legally" allowed to prescribe me.. unfortunately in my case it was Suboxone, but the way it was explained to me was completely wrong.. not only was I told that this is a non addictive form of pain medication, I was told that it is a miracle drug compared to Vicodin via long term use, hence why it's "SO EXPENSIVE".. I pay $350.00 a month for health insurance for my self alone and they wouldn't even cover the Suboxone. I was spending about $500 a month on Suboxone.
It's clear my doc got kick backs from the pharm. company he always had coupons and promotions from them and he would try to shove it down everyones throat as i have personally seen it.
I was being prescribed so much Suboxone that my wife started to take some too for physical pain, eventually she started taking it often like me, maybe for a year straight at about 4-6 mg a day. Half the amount and time I was on it for.
I got a call from my doctors assistant the day of my refill appointment pretty much telling me not to come in and they will no longer fill my script. At that point I didn't care, and I didn't think it was a big deal. Mentally I didn't feel like I was addicted to anything so I figured stopping cold turkey would be no problem.
Four days later me and my wife look like Dennis and Dee from it's always Sunny in Philadelphia when they began withdrawing from crack.. Seriously - my wife was taken to the ER a week after the withdrawals had started and we both thought we where literally going to die..
At that point, we didn't know much about what was going on.. neither did the ER. The ER prescribed her some sort anti depressant but it was such a low dose it only helped the first day and by the second day she was already out of medicine. (THE ER doc only prescribed 10 because he was afraid she might have an addictive personality).
Our symptoms at this point where literally anything you could name: Obviously we both had the chills, our body temperature was constantly changing, felt like the worst fever of our lives, my blood pressure was at Stage 1 hypertension which is higher then usual for me.. At this point the worst part is mental, and then physical. I wake up almost every day having diarrhea, I've had it for 3 months now and it wont go away. I've tried taking Imodium however it really upsets my stomach, and I do not like the way it makes me feel even though it does work when I do take it, but only for that day or so. I tried taking pro biotic pills for my stomach and that hurt my stomach even worse then the Imodium so I quit on that completely. I still cannot sleep, about every couple hours I'm waking up with full sweats and a completely nauseous. It has been a very normal routine for me to wake up around 5-6 am every morning, barf and shit my self all morning, then go to work. I am sick of doctors and at this point would rather walk into a burning building before going to another BS clinic etc..
Honestly at this point I am not proud of what we are doing to make it through our day, my wife feels the same way.. we switch between Kratom, Dilaudid, Vicodin, Tylenol # 4, Tramadol, (not any more but xanax & other bars..) I've also been high 24/7 throughout this whole process, I go crazy if I do not smoke - I have never been this way but I feel like I am addicted to ANYTHING that will alter my mental state. All these things had helped with our withdrawals but I am afraid they are also prolonging it? Either way with or without other drugs/medicine right now I believe we would still be withdrawing hard but maybe not as bad? We both never had taken MDMA - the opportunity came up maybe after a month of withdrawals ,we both felt like crap anyway so we said screw it why not? Well I'm glad we did because literally for that night and the next few days we fealt AMAZING - it's like the MDMA was good for the withdrawals? It was pure MDMA tested - they where little twitter pills i think 1-2 points each?
Are we going about this wrong? I tried talking to a rehab place and their solution was to come in and sit in a bed for up to 90 days.. I don't think so ~ I have a job and a wife I need to support I can't afford to go 3 months without work.. I don't ever want to take Suboxone again, even if it kills me. I've never thought of my self as an "addict" but lately that's all we have been because we physically would be better of doing drugs now then not.. can somebody chime in on this logic?
If it was just physical pain it would be okay, but it sure does test you especially when your wife is withdrawing right next to you! (If anything it has made us closer but it makes everything really hard!)
Oh btw the severe part of the withdrawal lasted 2-3 weeks after quitting ~ I would say on a pain scale of 10 that the pain was like.. 10
Now I would say we are at level "7-8"..
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and if you do take other full agonist opiates of a semi synthetic nature then try to limit intake as much as possible ! i have been off my subs about a week now and feel good as long as i have good red type kartom ! sometimes at night i feel like i want to crawl out of my own skin and sleep is an issue but no other hard WD at all ! im going to get some etz for sleep and keep up the 10 grams 3 x a day of kartom and a good indica as needed !
