Serotonin cell discoveries mean rethink of depression

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[size=+1]Serotonin cell discoveries mean rethink of depression[/size]
22 July 2010 by Linda Geddes
Magazine issue 2770


IF YOU thought depression was caused by low serotonin levels, think again. It looks as if the brain chemistry of a depressed person is much more complex, with mounting evidence suggesting that too much serotonin in some brain regions is to blame.

If correct, it might explain some of the negative side-effects associated with selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs), antidepressants like Prozac which increase the amount of the neurotransmitter serotonin in some parts of the brain.

The traditional view of depression was largely based on the observation that SSRIs boost mood- although why they do so is unknown. "Because antidepressants increase serotonin in some parts of the brain, people assumed that depression must be the result of low serotonin levels," says Christopher Lowry of the University of Boulder in Colorado. But the discovery of multiple types of serotonin-releasing neurons in the brain, along with high levels of serotonin recorded in people with depression, is prompting a rethink.

"What's more likely is that there are subgroups of serotonin neurons that are overactive in depressed patients, rather than underactive as we have all been assuming," says Lowry.

One of the first clues that something might be amiss with the traditional theory came three years ago, when Murray Esler at the Baker Heart Research Institute in Melbourne, Australia, and colleagues found that the level of serotonin in the brains of people with panic disorder was four times higher than in healthy volunteers (Stress, DOI: 10.1080/10253890701300904), and in depressed people who were not receiving treatment it was two times higher than in volunteers (Archives of General Psychiatry, vol 65, p 38). They also showed that long-term use of SSRIs in people with depression and panic disorder seemed to decrease serotonin levels through an as yet unidentified mechanism.

Now, in studies of rats and mice, Lowry has found that there are multiple types of serotonin neurons that can be independently regulated. He presented his results at the Forum of European Neuroscience in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, last week.

This fits well with findings from other groups that there are two types of serotonin receptor in the amygdala, a brain region linked to emotion and anxiety: 5-HT2A receptors that inhibit anxiety, and 5-HT2C receptors that promote it. The roles of the receptors were identified by injecting drugs that either stimulated or inhibited each receptor and observing the animals' behavioural response.

Together, the findings might mean that while high levels of serotonin in some brain regions like the prefrontal cortex can lead to improved mood, high serotonin in other regions could have negative effects.

Evidence for this idea comes from Gina Forster at the University of South Dakota in Vermillion and colleagues, who injected a stress-related molecule into the brains of rats and found that it triggered two phases of serotonin release. An initial wave of serotonin appeared to increase fear-like behaviour in the rats, while a second wave decreased this behaviour, possibly because it activated a brain region called the medial prefrontal cortex, which is associated with calming of fears (Neuroscience, vol 141, p 1047).

The new findings have implications for how SSRI drugs work. In the long-term, SSRIs do tend to have a calming effect, although more research is needed to understand how they do this.

However, in the short-term some people taking SSRIs report feeling increased anxiety. This is "almost certainly due to the activation of one of these groups of serotonin neurons", says Lowry. The suicidal thoughts some people taking SSRIs claim to experience may also be linked to boosting serotonin, as suicide is thought to be associated with increased impulsivity. "It may be that certain types of SSRI are affecting these impulsivity circuits in the brain," says Lowry.

Learning more about these different groups of serotonin neurons could lead to better treatments for depression and anxiety disorders. "It might be possible to design very specific drugs that can turn on or off specific groups of neurons that are deregulated in anxiety or depression," says Lowry.


Link: http://www.newscientist.com/article...l-discoveries-mean-rethink-of-depression.html
 
This has been known for a while,

People were being told by their doctors that the drugs relieved depression because they were deficient in serotonin, whereas in actuality it caused downregulation in the number of serotonin receptors which in turn caused relief from their depression. This is why the drug tianeptine, which lowers the amount of serotonin in the brain briefly, is also and excellent antidepressant.

The region in which the downregulation occurs is also extremely important.

It's also pretty well known statistically that the majority of positive reactions/relief of depression from non-severe depression by SSRIs is placebo.
 
Between this and nuke's MDMA thread in ADD, this is truly a happy day!

IMO, the fact that SSRIs take so long to become affective suggests that at least part of the action is endocrine.

As the article half-suggests, I think people out to examine entire parts of the brain rather than single out receptors to explain phenomena like depression.
 
..... Wow......

I've always thought that there was so much more to treating Depression and associated conditions but, now that there's substancial proof, I've so much more hope that one day I will be treated in the correct manner and that other people who have had a great deal of trouble finding medication to help them will finally be able to when a new line of chemicals come along in pill form :)

Thanks so much for finding and posting this up Zark :)
I've already posted it on the forum of the Depression community I frequent and I'm certain it will make a lot of people very happy :)

To quote the fuck out of Jamshyd:

Between this and nuke's MDMA thread in ADD, this is truly a happy day!

Hear, fucking hear! :D

<3
 
Oh, and the cynic in me wonders how much 'influence' the pharmaceutical companies have had in maintaining the (over-simplistic, IMO) previously held belief regarding serotonin and depression?
 
Oh, and the cynic in me wonders how much 'influence' the pharmaceutical companies have had in maintaining the (over-simplistic, IMO) previously held belief regarding serotonin and depression?

I've been talking about this with a few people at the support site that I posted this actually. And how long will it take for things to change?
Probably a long time if those companies have any say in the matter :|

New meds won't be developed for a long time; they're still making vast amounts of cash from the old ones.
The thing we can do though is let our doctors know about it and try initiate the change ourselves, slowly no doubt and with a lot of doubt from them at first, but surely non-the-less ;)
 
People having been saying this for years, only to have the anthem of "we think low levels of serotonin cause depression" unthinkingly thrown at them. Now A. just because drug X treats depression through pathway Y doesn't mean low Y levels cause depression. B.Depression/neurochemistry is so much more complex then that. There are so many neuro peptides that could cause depression. If you have very low levels of Phenethylamine (PEA) it doesn't matter what you put in your body because your brain wont be able to correctly transport and distribute monoamines. C. If what this article says is correct, then it is a reasonable induction that what I have been saying for years is also correct. Dopaminergic drugs have better potential for treating various incarnation of depression than serotonin. Further serotonin and dopamine act as counterbalances and so if depression is caused by too much serotonin then it's treatment in theory would be more dopamine. Anyways I hate dealing with doctors, who just skim over the papers I hand them. They act like they are the end all be all of education when they are akin to engineers to various scientists role as architects. Most psychiatrists don't know shit. Easiest job in the world swear to god.
 
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