Seroquel to combat stim addiction

[blight12]

I hope this post is in the most useful place, if not i apologize.

Disclaimer: I am not recommending this route at all as I am aware how harmful anti psychotics can be, this is just my personal experience with combating addiction to stims

I was prescribed Seroquel due to psychotic type behavior related to PTSD. This behavior was mostly related to OCD type issues.

I noticed how my Seroquel would kill a comedown dead in its tracks as well as abort any drug i was currently on. I therefore thought it would be a good idea to test it as a way to negate cravings and addiction.

What i noticed that when craving stims, i could pop a seroquel, which i was going to do any way to sleep and it had a 2 fold result which really helped in avoiding purchasing stims.

1. Due to the chemical behavior of seroquel it would kill any desire to dose stims. As some have mentioned before it is akin to a chemical lobotomy, you loose interest in everything and just want to sleep

2. Even if you still crave stims which is unlikely, you need to know that if you have any under the influence of seroquel, it wont do shit.

These two effects pretty much ensure that youll take a pass on dosing. It doesnt feel pleasant but it works really well.

Additionally you are using a completely non addicting non recreational drug to help you with addiction and you can dose as low as 100mg of seroquel for this result, which is generally accepted as a safe dose of seroquel in terms of mitigating side effects and long term issues.

I know Seroquel has bad long term effects, but im thinking that if you can use it to combat your addition and then stop the seroquel shortly after (which is easy since it has no addiction potential) then this may work for those of you that are desperate

I would like to hear from those of you in the know and once again, im not recommending this, just saying it is working for me so far and im hoping it can save somebody else as well.

Cheers.

 

[villian]

1. Due to the chemical behavior of seroquel it would kill any desire to dose stims. As some have mentioned before it is akin to a chemical lobotomy, you loose interest in everything and just want to sleep

2. Even if you still crave stims which is unlikely, you need to know that if you have any under the influence of seroquel, it wont do shit.

1.) I never found seroquel to remove desire for stims, I'd argue that the 'tired bleh' feeling it gives you would make many people crave stims even more
2.) Stims will still work if you take seroquel. I was prescribed seroquel and adderall for years

 

[blight12]

May i ask your dosage with Seroquel? I have been able to kill a massive meth high from fucked to baseline with as little as 100mg Seroquel.

 

[Dave]

I think that this would get better replies in Other Drugs.

 

[Renz Envy]

I don't think seroquel would curve cravings any better than marijuana.

I would say that taking less harmful stimulants like DMAA, caffeine, ephedrine or low doses of vyvanse will help maintain your energy and motivation during withdrawals.

 

[Tommyboy]

"Whatever works" (as long as it's safe)

I hope this post is in the most useful place, if not i apologize.

Disclaimer: I am not recommending this route at all as I am aware how harmful anti psychotics can be, this is just my personal experience with combating addiction to stims

I was prescribed Seroquel due to psychotic type behavior related to PTSD. This behavior was mostly related to OCD type issues.

I noticed how my Seroquel would kill a comedown dead in its tracks as well as abort any drug i was currently on. I therefore thought it would be a good idea to test it as a way to negate cravings and addiction.

What i noticed that when craving stims, i could pop a seroquel, which i was going to do any way to sleep and it had a 2 fold result which really helped in avoiding purchasing stims.

1. Due to the chemical behavior of seroquel it would kill any desire to dose stims. As some have mentioned before it is akin to a chemical lobotomy, you loose interest in everything and just want to sleep

Maybe you were using meth to self medicate for the mental disorder that is now being treated by the seroquel.

2. Even if you still crave stims which is unlikely, you need to know that if you have any under the influence of seroquel, it wont do shit.

I am the say way, although I am an opiate user. If I take seroquel (or even clonidine) it slows my brain down too much that I can't enjoy drugs while under their influence. It's like it restricts my brain from being able to feel the maximum amount of euphoria, so I don't bother.

 

[blight12]

Edit: Hmm somehow the below post moved away from Seroquel for combating cravings to Seroquel for comedown management. Oh well, hope it helps.

From my limited understanding of how Seroquel functions i dont believe it has any effect on the opiate receptors and therefore any perceived benefit to opiate addiction/cravings etc would be limited to its potent antihistamine effects. Therefore as you say using it to knock out may help.

With stims though the result is quite profound. I could be tweaking my ass off, drop as little as 100mg Seroquel, sit back and wait and eventually at some point experience an instant conversion from over stimulated to baseline within say 30 seconds. It is quite a profound experience and can come as quite a shock as it is by no means "soothing" like dosing benzos might be. This is especially true when dosing the seroquel while still experiencing euphoric or otherwise pleasant effects. The near instant loss of pleasure is by no means pleasant.

Through experimentation the best results are obtained by dosing about 3-4 beers worth (no hardtack, beer at least provides some water) and 30 minutes later the 100mg Seroquel dose. Once the dose kicks in you drop from stimulated to a mild drunk high which feels far better then without any alcohol and entirely comfortable.

This past week i decided to test this method after a 4 day meth binge. Usually i only use this method after coke or 1-2 day methcathinone binge but wanted to test its efficay with the big boy stim, meth.

After 4 days and minor psychosis starting to kick in, while tweaking my balls off, and 1 hour after the last line, i drank 5 beers within 1 hour, dosed the 100mg Seroquel 30 mins later and within 40 mins transitioned directly from over stimulated to passed the fuck out and woke up 10 hours later feeling like a champ. I infact only remember being high and then waking up. I have noticed however a strangely contradictory effect that the more stimualted you are the less Seroquel you need to kill it, or perhaps this effect was due to sleep deprivation, which is more likely.

One more thing, dont wait until you are coming down before dosing the Seroquel. The sudden transition in addition to the lowered blood pressure effects (increased heart beat) plus comedown anxiety can be rather unpleasent. This works best dosing before the comedown begins.

Another thing in terms of harm reduction. This seemingly easy way to avoid any comedown may result in more frequent usage due less perceived negatives and therefore im wondering if sharing this is really in anybodies best interests... Fuck and after all that typing! Just delete this post and lets move swiftly along...

 

[blight12]

I don't think seroquel would curve cravings any better than marijuana.

I would say that taking less harmful stimulants like DMAA, caffeine, ephedrine or hdoses of vyvanse will help maintain your energy and motivation during withdrawals.

Have you in fact tried seroquel while on stims? While weed may try mask the stimulation (or in my case add a epic dose of anxiety and a desire to slit my own throat), Seroquel will shut down the overactive receptors aborting the trip. Pretty profund difference.

 

[ErgicMergic]

I would say that taking less harmful stimulants like DMAA, caffeine, ephedrine or low doses of vyvanse will help maintain your energy and motivation during withdrawals.

Yup, caffeine and ephedrine are great maintenance drugs for stim withdrawals.

However, I think the OP was talking about administering Seroquel purposely to kill the meth high whenever he relapses. I dunno, man, I think you'd be hard-pressed to purposely feel like shit when you feel on top of the world on meth. Just don't use meth, far better option than your idea.

 

[Anon54]

I had meth the other night. .1 gramds crystal.

had 400mg of Seroquel at time i wanted to get some sleep.

well I didnt sleep. but I got rest so Seroquel was helpful & with it's short 6 hr half life (shortest HL of the common APs) I was able to get on the next day as normal without feeling like a zombie.

I like Seroquel & think its a good med with little side effects. most ppl disagree. u can take a small dose for mild insomnia (-150mg). u can take a moderate dose for those with anxiety & coming down (150mg-300mg & u can take a high dose for schizophrenia & bipolar. (+300mg). FYI Seroquel comes in 25mg pills all the way up 400mg pills

it has no side effects at the dose for insomnia with me anyway & it doesnt put on weight at the dose but increases diabetes by 20% I believe. I may be wrong.

The best most comfortable drug for sleeping is temazepam. but ive never taken a high enough dose to fall asleep. Id assume around 750mg would make me very drowsy (That's literally how much ud need to compare to 300mg dose of Seroquel) . Ive only really taken 200mg which just made me a little calmer. but its defensively more "sleepy" than other benzos & it doesnt interrupt REM sleep.

 

[blight12]

I had meth the other night. .1 gramds crystal.

had 400mg of Seroquel at time i wanted to get some sleep.

well I didnt sleep. but I got rest so Seroquel was helpful & with it's short 6 hr half life (shortest HL of the common APs) I was able to get on the next day as normal without feeling like a zombie.

I like Seroquel & think its a good med with little side effects. most ppl disagree. u can take a small dose for mild insomnia (-150mg). u can take a moderate dose for those with anxiety & coming down (150mg-300mg & u can take a high dose for schizophrenia & bipolar. (+300mg). FYI Seroquel comes in 25mg pills all the way up 400mg pills

it has no side effects at the dose for insomnia with me anyway & it doesnt put on weight at the dose but increases diabetes by 20% I believe. I may be wrong.

The best most comfortable drug for sleeping is temazepam. but ive never taken a high enough dose to fall asleep. Id assume around 750mg would make me very drowsy (That's literally how much ud need to compare to 300mg dose of Seroquel) . Ive only really taken 200mg which just made me a little calmer. but its defensively more "sleepy" than other benzos & it doesnt interrupt REM sleep.

Thanks for sharing this.

It seems from your dosages you may have quite a high tolerance for Seroquel, is this true? Even without being on any other drug, i can fall a sleep pretty quick off 100-300mg. I in fact use this med every night for sleep. Can i also suggest mixing with a bit of alcohol really works well with Seroquel to get you to sleep fast. Obviously I wouldnt drink every night but maybe just for comedown management.

Also for feeling drowsy the next day, i make sure to usually dose early at 9pm for sleep at 1030 on normal days, to be fresh by 9am the next morning. Alow about 10 hours for sleep

 

[kokaino]

They say that bupropion (Wellbutrin) may work for stimulant addicts, especially cocaine addicts.

Here is a study.

 

[paranoid android]

They say that bupropion (Wellbutrin) may work for stimulant addicts, especially cocaine addicts.

Here is a study.

Ive found a combination of bupropion and seroquel to help with cocaine cravings. I still got them but not as bad plus seroquel tends to unfuck my head. i have been on up to 400mg's of seroquel and 300mg's of bupropion.

 

[Escapedysphoria]

Bupropion would be ideal to combat stim addiction in comparison to Seroquel, it has stimulant-like properties of it's own and cured my addiction to tobacco!

 

[ErgicMergic]

^I agree, you want a drug that raises synaptic Dopamine levels, not to get "high" off of, but just to maintain enough of it to actually have the motivation to get out of bed and start your day without the use of methamphetamine. Norepinephrine (NE) also helps in this regard.

Dopamine antagonists are just going to make your brain scream for some amphetamine to feel normal. Dopamine has many, many functions outside of euphoria and motivation, including somatic functions, being a prolactin inhibitor, etc.

Maintenance (non-euphoric) levels of DA and NE can be achieved with DA/NE releasers, such as Ephedrine or Caffeine, or with NDRI's, such as Wellbutrin.