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Selegiline / Deprenyl - dosages and schedules

john410

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Hello. I'm new around here.

I'm a 24 y.o. male diagnosed with Depression and ADD. After trying many things, my doc decided to try Deprenyl.

I'm titrating my dosage right now and I wanted to know what are the common dosages and schedules.

Thanks.
 
COMBINING SELEGILINE with Modafinil and/or Centrophenoxine

Dosage / schedule... 2.5-5mg per day, perhaps just every other day even, for 4-12 weeks, then a break of a 4-12 weeks and start again, seems not uncommon.

Much more info here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=86622

I was going to reply to the thread I have just linked to but somehow I cannot reply to it.

So here MY question, as i have only just started using Selegiline for the first time:

Can SELEGILINE be used IN COMBINATION with MODAFINIL and/or CENTROPHENOXINE?


Modafinil & Centrophenoxine together are fine. I have done this many times. Trouble is, rather than making me feel great as it very effectively did for many months, the combo now makes me restless and a tad anxious and leaves me feeling depleted.

I believe that Selegiline and low doses of Modafinil should be be fine too but I am not too sure on this one, although I have done it.

I have a hunch that Selegiline & Centrophenoxine together might prove iffy in the long run or if doses too high. I haven't tried this yet - but the effects of both are cumulative in the long run, and Centrophenoxine is believed to have some (mild) MAOI activity as well.

It's only been two days that I have now used Selegiline - but I feel a buzz off it that goes WAY beyond placebo (I think). Sharper, clearer, more focused, better enjoyment of music, and more chilled and relaxed. Major reduction in irritability, low mood, and early-morning negative thinking. A Godsend. Hope this lasts.

I also wonder to what extent the amphetamine metabolites of Selegiline actually benefit me, as any time I did low doses of speed lately I found that it is the ONE substance that truly sets me "right" and makes me feel like my life is truly intact and my consciousness savours the moment. It calms me down and focuses me, gone are all the worries and the monkey mind.
 
thank you nano.

why is modafinil contraindicated? I read somewhhere about a someone using it together with L-dep.

I very successfully used centrophenoxine and modafinil together for several months but for many reasons (many changes in my life circumstances) they don't do the trick no more, especially modafinil seemed not to work so well recently.

This has only been my 3rd day on Selegiline and I can feel myself rebounding from a bout of depression that had lasted several weeks! I noticed it on the first day already. Within an hour of ingesting the drug I get mild amph-like rushes and euphoria, well, compared to my 'normal' feelings of despondency anyway. For most folks they would probably just be regular let's-get-a-move-on type feelings. Anyway, both day 1 and day 2 left me with a stuff headache that would creep up at some point. Medicated on day 1 with codeine but not on day 2. On day 3 woke up with a mild headache still and decided to drastically lower my dose from 5mg to 1.25 mg (quarter tab). Result: still that obvious amph-like rush and feelings of well-being. And no headache today, as well as improved coping behaviour in the face of adversity and much improved motivation to do tasks. Only now, with the renewed vigour I have accessed do I see how crap i have been feeling for the last weeks and how negatively i have been thinking.

I will give Selegiline a proper try and aim to keep it at this low 1.25mg dose.

Still, I wonder about the state of my neurotransmittter connections... years of abuse... I'd like to think I can go through life without a chemical crutch. But perhaps that is the price one pays for having abused fun stuff before... sometimes cognition is no way out of a rut, it requires chemical help. Damn. Never thought I'd admit to this.
 
Yesterday upped my dose to 2.5mg after getting what i deemed were insufficient effects despite eating with a small but fat-laden meal.

Got extremely tense after adding modafinil, which I tend to snort at low doses to titrate my "level" just right. Added a small glass of japanese sake and a bit of cannabis and had an awful time - tense and itchy and just feeling unwell, somehow "not right" and my mind going in circles and thinking unbeneficial obsessive thoughts.

I must say that a few days before I had had a tiny bit of modafinil and no selegiline on that day and I got some stimulation that allowed my to beat my all-time tetris against-the-clock high-score, which i thought was ace... borderline jittery for an hour or so but acceptable. On the whole I would say, though, that combining selegiliine and modafinil is contraindicated.

Elsewhere on the forum I read that others have found the combo of cannabis with selegiline a bit uncanny as well... and alcohol is a no-no according to the manufacturer's factsheet, though I do not fully understand the reason why this should be so.

Oone thing I did today because of my perceived lack of effects from selegiline alone on the previous days was to take my 2.5mg under the tongue (half a 5mg pill) - bitter and numbing, but ok - as it is said to increase bioavailability by a lot... 10 times, was it, nano?

And today I got none of the speedy restless body efffects I got the first couple days I took this drug (once or twice then also under the tongue). Seems my system is getting used to it and it is becoming comfortable.

Only things I want to watch out for is possible tolerance developing or accumulating too much MAO inhibition in the medium/long term (hence breaks may be advisable as has been said before) and getting adequate sleep. Seems the drug keeps me awake for absolutely ages, somehow. That is something I need to keep under control because I feel a slight risk of this pushing me back into hypomanic territory (during those phases I usually get by on very little sleep for weeks on end, only to crash majorly later and feel despondent and tired all the time for weeks as well... MUST avoid this!!) In any case today for the first time in a long time I felt pretty much "just right" and I started putting my life in order (having recently moved and switched continents and all), starting to work on my studies again finally after a 4-month abstinence that felt like a neverending road to ever-elusive recovery, me thinking "wtf is wrong with me" ever so often... and I found myself enjoying the task and being able to stick with it and being able to concentrate for hours on end... GREAT! As I said before, makes me wonder how "old" my brain would look to a neurologist looking at the state of certain neurotransmitter levels / neurons / synapses /whatchamacallthem... I suppose 4 years of SSRIs and many more of weekend poly-drug use including a few iffy combos including much MDMA&amph when in my early 20s prior to taking SSRIs for depression and while taking SSRIs take their toll...

Anyway for now selegiline really feels like a godsend to me. My feelings of tension and despondency are greatly reduced, I feel as good as I haven't for months, and at the same time my cravings for beer and for K have pretty much gone. K seems Ok in combination with selegiline but I have no longer got such a strong desire for it as i feel less need to disconnect from emotionally unpleasant experiences... as they no longer seem so. And I had been getting worried that i was getting quite hooked on K as my top-up&go anti-depressant/anaesthetic and had been getting worried about running out...

Can't believe I'd never tried selegiline before. I'd known about it for years but always avoided it precisely because of the potential issues withe MAO inhibition. But I think that that is precisely what makes it so good. I got my first taste of what MAO inhibition feels like when i first took Ayahuasca... oh the aftermath, thank you!! Quite different from just DMT, so much more comforting. And they say true Ayahuasca wiill always contain some MAO-inhibiting plant... it may or may not contain a DMT-containing one... I understand now. For me, the MAO inhibition is what makes DMT bearable... unless already well and truly inebriated annd peaced out by various other mind-pacifying agents. But that's me, YMMV, of course.

Seems to me deprenyl has pro-sexual effects as well indeed, although not more so than, say L-arginine. Seems to delay ejaculation slightly, which is a side-effect i welcome.

What I like the most is how it seems to set me "right" and how it reduces most of not all my cravings for other things, all my vain attempts to self-medicate... if the price to pay is nnot being able to take 2C's etc then so be it. I will almost certainly experiment with one of the 4-substituted tryptamines at some point affter I have managed to maintain my balance on this godsend as they are easy to dose, come on quickly and wear off quickly too. But I will start extremely low. Would like to try AMT at some point as well but I have a hunch that may not be super-safe with selegiline as it lasts so long and has quite a body load on its own and as it may have some MAO activity. How long would I have to stay off the selegiline before being able to ingest a full dose of AMT safely?

Long post... i don't post much on BL any more as my interest in drugs purely for entertainmment has waned majorly over the last years but I felt like sharing this and would be pleased to read of anyone's experiences with l-deprenyl, alone or in combination. Any advice as to my questions and speculations is also welcome.

Thanks for reading, and a happy new year to all. Stay safe.
 
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I found 10-20mg a good dose. At 30 I started getting less desirable MAO-A effects, especially during allergy season Spring weather. I took 70mg once and it made me feel bad.

I would choose the pills over the patch because selegiline (or maybe norselegiline) have short acting stimulant effects so the pills are much less likely to cause insomnia.
 
Update: i still use selegiline... every 2 to 4 days i will dissolve one 5mg tablet under the tongue to keep me afloat. A godsend. It's worked like that for over 6 months now and I intend to keep it that way. A medicine of the highest order. Seems to work well with centrophenoxine as well.
 
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