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Seeing Things That Aren't Actually There!!!

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I've actually been considering trying DOC or 2c-T-2 because I am yet to see any prolific visuals, in the sense of things that aren't really there, on multiple other psychedelix including 25i, 25c, 2c-e, shrooms, 2c-p, and k... One time on dxm I saw a dust particle trasform into an optical camera, that transformed into a mechanical dog that ran down the side of the wall and jumped at my face, making me jump. And another time my friend, who has bad tourettes, looked at me with a scrunched up face and let a loud "EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" And when he did, the devils face appeared behind him. I've also been told if you just want to see things, take unisom, but I love psychedelics and would like to find a psychedelic that could produce this effect. I'm limited to certain chems, but any suggestions?
 
Throwing large amounts of cannabinoids into the mix can kick the visuals up a notch, maybe throw in a dissociative while you're at it. The only caveat would be horrible anxiety and negative psychological effects.

Honestly, I think visuals are just an amusing side effect, that only help underscore just how far from normal consciousness you are. Treating them as the goal of a psychedelic experience per se is foppery.
 
Quite I agree with that 100%, but I've never really experienced them, so I think it would be a neat experience. Dissociatives are probably my favorite drugs, aside from dmt (and even that's not due to the visuals, the body load is so orgasmic).
 
^^^ Done that more than 20 times... I don't get visuals from the mushrooms though and would like long lasting visuals... Maybe aya or ibogaine would be more my taste, and I've got a few grams of ibo in my freezer =P. Although, I don't even assume to be prepared for that experience at 21 years old.
 
Oh, and IME the most profound visuals I've had while still in this reality and open eyed were transformations of objects already there*, not seeing something out of thin air. And flanging/strobe-vision are a good indication you're in the right territory, but ymmv I guess.

*e.g. jwh-018 + 4-meo-pcp + gbl -> the upper part of my desk (that my computer was on) appeared to be a torii near trees or the ocean out of my peripheral vision, then it shifted into a forklift carrying the laptop. 2c-e + jwh-073 -> aside from some minor transformations and the primary colored aztec men like patterns dancing around my walls, my vision kept on rotating, sometimes nearly 180 degrees.
 
You could try combinations i guess... DXM + Shrooms or MDMA + Shrooms. Maybe a strong hit of DMT or hole-dose ketamine. Psychedelic visuals are considerably different than deliriant or dissociative visuals, and you aren't going to find dxm-like visions of complete reality displacement with drugs like doc or 2c-t-2.

Visuals are perceptual shifts of varying degrees, the specific type you desire seem to be 'hallucinations' (the strongest type of visual) which only happen on certain drugs and usually only at high dosages. Hallucinations are generally something I like to avoid, because they go along with the more negative aspects of trippy drugs.
 
On 15mg of 2c-e I've definitely felt that I was close to seeing geometrical patterns and objects during the peak but could only faintly make them out when I concentrated, or rather spaced out very intently haha, on the ceiling. Maybe I think too logically analyze the psychs I do to illusion give into the creativity of them. Possibly a higher dose of 2c-e could produce the desired effect, Maybe spice it up with some spice and ketamine or Mxe.
 
Do you mean seeing pink elephants in tutus sort of stuff? Psychedelics don't have that effect - they add colour and a few patterns but you don't see an elephant dancing down the street. That's just people making shit up to sound dramatic.
 
^In high school, my buddy and I would describe the effects of psychedelics to our classmates in grossly exaggerated terms like - "Yeah man first everything turned neon and tie-dye, next thing i know i was riding a carousel at a carnival that was on an undiscovered planet called psychotopia, and suddenly realized i was a cartoon version of an egyptian mummy, only with 7 heads and zero mouths who was ordered by the King to entertain his eldest son, who turned out to be a reptilian version of Bon Jovi.. only with no arms or legs... and he was just floating in midair when 20 robot beetles fell out of his left ear and began singing kum-ba-yah. 100 foot tall candy canes were popping up out of the ground everywhere and the dirt from the ground looked, felt, and tasted like ramen noodles..."

The actual effects (which i can sum up as "perceptual enhancement") were our own little secret at the time so to speak
 
Ismene said:
Do you mean seeing pink elephants in tutus sort of stuff? Psychedelics don't have that effect - they add colour and a few patterns but you don't see an elephant dancing down the street. That's just people making shit up to sound dramatic.
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I've done well more than enough psychedelics to know this isn't going to happen. I'm looking more for deleriant type hallucinations from an energy enducing, deep minded psychedelic. I've tried fly agaric (Amanita Muscaria) grade A Latvian caps at a 10gram dose and was very disappointed to get almost no effects. I've been considering trying "benadryl" or "unisom" although these are known to have undesirable effects just to have the experience of the visual hallucinations.
 
The way you describe the hallucinations you want kinda sound like you'd want some deleriants. Seeing stuff that isn't there..

Be careful if you choose to explore them.
 
KavemanCam said:
On 15mg of 2c-e I've definitely felt that I was close to seeing geometrical patterns and objects during the peak but could only faintly make them out when I concentrated, or rather spaced out very intently haha, on the ceiling. Maybe I think too logically analyze the psychs I do to illusion give into the creativity of them. Possibly a higher dose of 2c-e could produce the desired effect, Maybe spice it up with some spice and ketamine or Mxe.
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Think you've nailed it here. I find the amount of visuals you get from the 2C family is very dose dependent.
 
Op it seems as though you're looking for the kind of visual hallucinations caused by deliriants. There aren't any phenethylamine or tryptamine psychedelics I can think of that produce true hallucinations (I.e. seeing things that aren't really there). Having visuals and truly hallucinating are two completely different things and I can tell you from experience that real hallucinations can be utterly terrifying.

But if you're just looking for visuals id recommend trying 2ce. I know plenty of people who don't get much in the visual department from the classics (LSD, mushrooms, etc) but 2ce is almost always a very visual experience.

edit: nevermind i just saw that you said you've tried 2ce and it didn't do much for you. what dose did you try it at? some people have naturally high tolerance to psychs maybe you just need to up your doses?

also have you ever tried salvia? if you want to see things that arent there salvia is a pretty good option although it isn't necessarily an enjoyable experience.
 
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