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"Seeing the dream as dream"

Dedbeet

Dedbeet

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Ever turned the sound on the TV off and just browsed the channels watching ppl talk to each other? People don't freakin *do* much, they just hang out and talk (/think) a lot... it's weird when you pay attention to it.

The Internet is the perfect reflection of the human tendency to sit around and talk/think mostly for the sake of talking and thinking. And I don't think there's anything "loser-ish" about it... it's utterly commonplace and human. We are a very dreamy species.

"Spiritual Enlightenment" has been said to be "seeing the dream as dream". And what is 'behind' and 'beyond' our seemingly endless dreaming? A timeless, spaceless flow of actuality, without genesis or conceivable aftermath, of which our relational dreams of subject/object are mere aspects we like to pretend are separate somehow from direct/immediate perceiving and Being -- but are not.

We're all wrapped up in our emotive time-space fantasies. "I haven't seen you in a long time, you live far away... I miss you". Thought thinks it's you, back there in the past and so far away -- when it's really only itself, right here and now. Seen for what it is, what was taken as "reality" dissolves into dream, and actuality stands out with an inconceivably vivid brightness and solidity. One is still free to dream, but the dream is now a dream.
 
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I may be going off on a wild tangent from your post-BUT. . .

"The Internet is the perfect reflection of the human tendency to sit around and talk/think mostly for the sake of talking and thinking."

I think that a fundamental human drive is to pass the time. It is so obvious-so common place- that it doesn't seem to merit any discussion even. If we are talking about arsonists, stamp collectors, drug users, coffee house intellectuals, day traders, cult leaders, bingo players, etc-the fundamental motivation is to pass the time.

I don't think seeing beyond the dream is the primary thing. I think giving a smooth flow to the time we are spending here is the primary thing.
 
Enki said:
I think that a fundamental human drive is to pass the time. It is so obvious-so common place- that it doesn't seem to merit any discussion even. If we are talking about arsonists, stamp collectors, drug users, coffee house intellectuals, day traders, cult leaders, bingo players, etc-the fundamental motivation is to pass the time.
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True, Enki, although one could say that it's impossible *not* to pass the time somehow ;). My favorite guru (Nisargadatta Maharaj) said something like "the daily life is a life of action... like it or not, you must function". So there's not really such a thing as "not having a life", to me... if you're alive, you have a life ;).
I don't think seeing beyond the dream is the primary thing. I think giving a smooth flow to the time we are spending here is the primary thing.
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"Seeing the dream as really a dream, not actuality" could be called enlightenment, from here.

What that means to me is seeing that thought is real, but its "content" is sort of like a dream -- a representational 'reality' that is not actual, but representational only. If that is clear, then *everything* is clear, because one is no longer deeply emotionally invested in a dream.

Having a lot of hopes and dreams is human. Disillusionment, the end of illusion... not human, not inhuman, not wanted by humans, but sometimes can't be avoided.
 
I have very vivid dreams that carry on into my waking day. I can't help but thinking about them and I wonder if they are a sign from above. Most of my dreams have water, gold, healing, crystal, signs - that I don't have the wisdom to understand, myself flying and looking at the earth and all the people walking around about 1,000 feet below me, tunnels lined with gold, healing pools of various sizes with the most blue water, hurt animals that I help, myself having surgery and being awake through it but not feeling any pain, just junk like that. They are very cool and make me feel closer to the Lord. Once in a while they are frightening. I have started writing them down. I am a fearful person and am afraid to fly in an airplane - although I have flown many times when I was younger. That is why I don't understand the flying dreams. They are lovely and beautiful - but there again - I am not in an airplane - so I am in control. I just take up and fly and fly landing on roofs made of porcelin. I really enjoy it when I am flying. It is peaceful and there is no sound. I feel like I could stay up there forever. When I go through or down the tunnels to reach the healing pools - I bounce from gold rock to gold rock until I reach the bottom or end. People are down there in the pools and they are praying and moaning as is they were in communing with the Lord. One time, I brought a pure white kitten down there who had a broken back. I had her at the vet and we tried for hours to put her down because she was in great pain. She wasn't my kitten, but I took responsibility for her. She wouldn't die though, so I brought her to the healing pools and gently put her in on her back into the water. Soon, she was doing a little kitty backstroke and smiling and she was healed. It is hard to see "the dream as a dream" because there is so much symbolism according to my beliefs. One time - many years ago - I woke up in the night after being visited by Jesus Christ in the dream. It was one of the most beautiful dream experiences I ever had and I will never forget it. When I awoke from it - I felt pure love and warmth. In the Bible people are often visited by Christ or God in dream sequences. Even the Revelation was a huge dream sequence revealed by John. Anyway - any thoughts on any of this?
 
I had a dream which ended with Anthony Hopkins at a Holiday Inn saying: "Right, let's get shit done." That was the most vivid and realistic dream that I have had for a long time - and I take it as meaning that I should get shit done and stop wasting my precious time talking to idiots on the internet - most of whom ignore me anyway. I think that this is such an important realization that I feel the need to share it for those who have yet to realize that every thing you say on the internet is entirely overlooked by other people, who are too busy in their small minded egotistical ways: replying to any old crap that they can find to reply to. Sometimes they even reply to threads where it is stated in the first post that it will be deleted! If proof were needed that people don't read shit except what they write themselves - so why waste your time?!

Jesus Christ said that the first will be last and the last will be first - I think that that is what has happened with the internet - when the ignorant and moronic rule the day, the words of the wise are best left unsaid. Yes, I do count myself as being wise - by virtue of having read books by philosophers - rather than any old trip that spews forth from the mouths (and fingers) of some incredibly ignorant, self-important and small-minded drug-addled minds. In other words - there are better things to dream about, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy - Of course, that is from Hamlet - which you have never read - but you have read the latest post from me?! That makes the point rather well, I think - stop wasting your time reading drivel. For my part, I shall stop writing it - since the flu from which I was suffering has now cleared; and I can get back to the day job of risk arbitrage (don't knock it till you've tried it!). Egotistical maniac over and out! :o (A kiss, a loving kiss - sometimes the hardest words to read are those that speak the truth - only the free may speak the truth).
 
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