Sedating Psychedelics

[Transform]

Yeah.... but I find it deceiving, there have been numerous times (esp. with the S-isomer) when I was fooled into believing that I got so phased out, sedated and content that it must be possible to sleep soon after.
But the metabolite(s) - and also K itself - are actually strangely stimulating if only in a way that keeps you awake.

Considering the anaesthetic potential I find all of that counterintuitive. Esp. higher doses.

Ketamine is one of a very small number of non-sedatives I actually can fall asleep on. I am usually quite sensitive to sleep disruption, taking longer than most people to fall asleep after using most things. With small amounts of ketamine (30-50mg is my norm) I don't have much issue if I'm tired.

I don't find it sedating so much as relaxing though, it's like it has no effect on energy levels or sleep.

 

[lastest]

I haven't had access to ketamine for a long time, but I remember finding it very difficult to sleep for hours after my last dose of the night. Weirdly, I sleep just fine while fully under the effects of longer acting dissociatives such as methoxetamine and 3-MeO-PCP.

EDIT: Duh, that's because I have access to etizolam now. Combine that with the fact that I always have a two or three brewskies during my MXE trips and - mystery solved.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Really? I was under the impression 4-MeO induced quite a manic state.

Are you sure you aren't thinking of the 3-MeO-PCx? 4-MeO-PCP was pretty chill IME, not something I was tempted to move around on.

Rolicyclidine (PCPy) is sedating according to wiki. If we're talking about drugs covered by PD in general, the GABAergic hallucinogens (Amanitas & z hypnotics) take the cake.

 

[Survived Abortion]

I did state that it's "sedating" in that it's a general anaesthetic - I guess that's a slippery use of the term "sedative" but a large dose of ketamine would literally floor any and everybody, full stop, I'm sure we can agree to that? Of course whether the ensuing experience is considered sedating is entirely up to the user.
I happen to fall in that happy category of people who can K-hole to get to sleep after an excessive stim binge.

....Or am I barking completely up the wrong tree?

Well it may be able to floor you if you take a large dose, but this is entirely different from sleeping. Even those under medical anaesthesia from ketamine are not properly 'asleep'. In fact, there is a good indication they are very much awake and aware, just completely and utterly in another world. If you've ever watched one of those horrible documentaries about cosmetic surgery (I don't watch TV anymore, but back in the day...) you may have noticed that the patient is still responsive to the physical assault of the surgeon, making disturbing groaning noises and all sorts, all the while under ketamine anaesthesia.

I would bet that if you hooked up an EEG to a person who has taken a hole or super-hole (anaesthetic) dose of a dissociative, it would show something very different from the brainwaves patterns and cycles that you would see under normal nocturnal conditions.

With psychedelics such as tryps, phens, and lysergamides, an EEG taken during one of those "passed out" sections of a heavy trip would also show something different, though I would expect it to have some of the more familiar patterns seen during REM sleep. But I would hesitate to call it sleep. More like a nod.

LSA gets very lethargic and sleepy to me near the tail end, I actually passed out at t + 9hr on one trip, while still tripping.

A similar thing happened to me during one of my most intense LSA trips. It's hard to gauge in such moments how long you've been out for, because the moment of passed-outness seems to blend seamlessly in to the rest of the experience. And that moment also feels timeless whilst you're in it, like you could have been there for seconds, or years.

 

[petebog]

Really? I was under the impression 4-MeO induced quite a manic state. I must do more reading on this as I highly value dissociatives' therapeutic potential (on a tangent from the MXE megathread, I feel obliged to underscore "potential").
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When I first tried 4-meo-pcp a few years back I found it to be quite energising and a lot of fun. I used to order it regularly and was gutted when it disappeared from sale. However when it became available again at the end of last year the batch I got had almost the opposite effect, the same dose had me struggling to keep my eyes open. I'm guessing at least one of those batches wasn't 4-meo-pcp...

 

[azgaza]

Other then dissociatives such as ketamine or nitrous oxide mainly 4-aco-dmt comes to mind; it has no stimulating properties whatsoever and even makes one nearly tired; more then mushrooms even which I also consider among the non stimulating psychedelics. For none of these I'd find sedating the right word though.

 

[bunnyhentman]

I thought tma-2 was weirdly sedating.

 

[Transform]

It's used on children because it is very challenging as an anaesthesiologist to calculate a safe opiate dose. The anaesthetic dose of ketamine is several times the recreational dose and it is typically coadministered with a sedative so anyone under the knife will be well and truly "elsewhere".

 

[Solipsis]

Not sure if you made them aware of that but wouldn't something like propofol have been better for you? I don't think it has cross-tolerance with chronic alcohol use remarkably, but I don't know if it is also exempt from cross tolerance to benzo use.
Seems like that stuff would be ideal for the amnesia you could clearly use at the time.

Although if you had heavy benzo tolerance I imagine you were still using and "one does not simply wane off benzo's"...

Sorry you had to go through that

In the tv series House M.D. the guy gets ketamine for surgery and also ends up going through mysterious dream states.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

5-HTP is a mild psychedelic and has sedating properties

 

[mushie80]

have not seen San Pedro or Peruvian Torch mentioned. they tend to be very sedating and hold more of a body sensation that carries one into a some amazing cev experiences.

 

[RUSHDAFUNK]

to me 4-aco-dmt and 2c-t-4 were both pretty sedating.

 

[thebenster of Ra]

Mushrooms definately put me half out. I always do them alone so I can lay in bed once they start kicking in.

 

[SPDemon420]

Salvia. Although it's not really a psychedelic in the classic sense. But the afterglow is very peaceful and can be somewhat drowsy.

I get VERY drowsy after Salvia almost every time. I didnt know if it was just the weed I smoked before I did the Salvia, or the Salvia itself - glad to see someone else has felt a similar effect.

 

[Survived Abortion]

^Yeah, I don't smoke weed so it is definitely the salvia. (Although, I'm sure there could be a synergistic effect between the two drugs as well.) I really love the salvia afterglow.