Second Steroid Cycle - Thoughts?

[Pusher]

220 pounds
27 years old
BF% = higher than it should be, no idea on specifics
1 previous cycle of andropen 275, 275mg per week for 12 weeks 2.5 years ago.

I am from the "less is more" school of thought as far as androgen use goes, as once the AR's are saturated more drugs will not have a greater effect. I want to keep total androgen dosage at 500mg per week. It is better to pace yourself than burnout receptors and downregulate your hormone systems.

Weeks 1-12
Test Enanthate 250mg per week, split into 2 doses

Week 1 and weeks 13 and 14 (too frontload and backload, whilst the long esters kick-in and wash out respectively)
Test Prop 5x50mg shots per week

Weeks 1-10
Equipoise 200mg per week as one shot per week.

Weeks 1-14
hCG 500iu's shot in 2 doses per week. I want to prevent testicular atrophy.

Weeks 2-19
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD

Hair

Weeks 1-19
Spironolactone 3% solution with Zinc and Vitamin B6 for hair (I shed hair pretty bad on previous cycle) used once ED
Also Nizoral 2% shampoo used EOD

PCT

From the start of week 15:

hCG 500iu EOD for 10 days
then Nolvadex 20mg per day for 4 weeks, no tapering needed as Nolvadex has such a long half-life it tapers naturally.

Saw Palmetto on hand for hair and prostate if needed (DHT blocker).
Viagra on hand if needed during Nolvadex part of PCT.

Once Nolvadex is started then also start:

80mcg of IGF-1 LR3 5 times per week for 5 weeks with....
400mcg PEG-MGF shot in 2 doses per week for 5 weeks

All IGF-1 and MGF shots are taken IM in the thigh as my previous experience with these compounds made me realise that injection site gains are a myth.

Then I will either do

Option 1: a 5 week course of myostatin propeptide ($1400US), now available and completely legal, YET!

OR

Option 2: 12 weeks of CJC-1295 DAC with 3 daily shots of GHRP-6, also with Huperzine A 100-200mcg per day (~$800US)

At the end of these next 6 months I expect to be unrecognisable.....

 

[spork]

--->To SD

 

[PARooolller]

Personally that looks like an awesome AAS regimen there...EQ and Test seem to have a really dry and hardening effect of the user...

PCT looks good...Glad to see some HCG in there...

I have never really researched all of the peptides but it looks like you have...Could you elaborate on the effectiveness and actions of such compounds...

Got any pics? Keep a log for this cycle...sounds good.

 

[VictorZ06]

Option 2: 12 weeks of CJC-1295 DAC with 3 daily shots of GHRP-6, also with Huperzine A 100-200mcg per day (~$800US)

It was my understanding that CJC (unmodified) WITH DAC (Maleimodoproprionic acid) attached it very unstable to keep stored, as well as extremely expensive to make. My hat comes off to you if you can find REAL CJC 1295 with the DAC, unmodified, along with the Lysine linker. The real deal costs more to make than HGH.

/V

 

[PARooolller]

Victor---What's your opinion on the current use and future of these peptides?

Are they really more effective than just the old school AAS protocols?

I hear insulin-IGF is some anabolic shit..

 

[beamers]

Pusher = me........

I have done the IGF-1 LR3 @ 50mcg 5 times per week along with PEG-MGF 400mcg per week shot in 2 doses for 5 weeks. The results were a mixed bag, my thighs and chest grew about 2 inches each, my waist only went up 2cm and I got a total weight gain of 8kg, which I have kept even since I went on a break. The cycle cost about $300US though, so it is not cheap and I am only using it during PCT from now on. Pinning basically everyday was fun though. I am expecting the next cycle of AAS to mature the new muscle cells created by the IGF-1. That's the theory anyway.

Regarding the CJC-1295 with DAC, I have numerous online suppliers selling it with the lysine linker and it is not more expensive than an HGH cycle, one is even a direct source from China. The huperazine A and GHRP-6 magnify the GH pulses you get from the CJC-1295 so you can get away with using less CJC-1295 apparently, I do not have firsthand experience with these compoounds though. This is just what I have read.

 

[VictorZ06]

Victor---What's your opinion on the current use and future of these peptides?

Are they really more effective than just the old school AAS protocols?

I hear insulin-IGF is some anabolic shit..

The only peptides I have used are CJC-1295 (modified), GHRP-6, R3-IGF, and MT II. The CJC and GHRP are taken at the same time 3X a day did work similar to HGH. I did shred a a little bit of fat and I could tell my core was tightening up.

Myself along with my friends have not yet had the chance to find any true CJC-1295. It is impossible in my opinion to find it, some sites admit what they sell is unmodified, but in fact it is. Some sites offer a guarantee and provide certificate from a lab showing it's sequence, but I still call it BS. I thought I had the real deal myself at one time, I was still pinning 3X a day though.

IMHO, IGF only works well when combined with slin and hgh. Those who I train with agree with me, via IM.

These peptides work completely different than steroids do.

In this thread http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=376481&highlight=cjc I outlined and posted a few studies.

/V

 

[VictorZ06]

I don't normally post threads to different boards, but take a look at this one in regard to CJC-1295. I'm posting it so those who are thinking about it know what the deal is. I know some of these guys personally, and they really know what they are talking about...

http://www.muscleandscience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3336&highlight=cjc-1295

/V

Oh, and IMHO, I would double your test dose. Good luck.

 

[beamers]

Thanks for the advice and I'll see how I go 5 weeks in about the dosage, I don't like to do more than 500mg per week of androgens as I am a good responder and would like to keep it that way, but I'll keep an eye on my progress and see how I go. Thanks for the advice.

I'm still waiting on my package to arrive..............

 

[scamppy]

EQ takes up to a month to clear from your system so there's going to be about 2-3 weeks where you will have no test (even with your test prop 'backload'). You're also starting your PCT while the EQ is clearing, which will slow down/hinder your recovery (your natural LH, FSH, and T levels will be inhibited and won't respond as well to PCT drugs if you still have exogenous anabolics floating through your bloodstream).

I would ditch the EQ and just run a half gram of Testosterone (I like the test prop kickstart idea though). You probably wouldn't even feel 200mg of EQ...most people run it at 400-600mg at least as it is much weaker than testosterone.

There's actually some recent theories about how tapering (which test E naturally does given the halflife of the 'depot') is healthy for slowly restoring SHBG levels (which will speed recovery once all the test is cleared and PCT drugs are started). So you might want to think about not doing the test prop on the back end.

Yeah I have to agree the EQ at 200mg a week would probably just be a waste of money. You need at least 400 or 500mg per week to get anything out of it. And your test E you would probably get alot better gains if you did a 250mg injection every 5 days--that would equal out to 350mg aweek, whick is still a low dose but a dose that you could make good gains from.

 

[beamers]

You're also starting your PCT while the EQ is clearing, which will slow down/hinder your recovery (your natural LH, FSH, and T levels will be inhibited and won't respond as well to PCT drugs if you still have exogenous anabolics floating through your bloodstream).

I have read that a PCT should start 3 weeks after last EQ shot on a few boards, enough of the drug has cleared by this time apparently. Remember there are also 10 days of hCG administration which can start whilst exogenous drugs are still in your system anyway as hCG is still suppressive, so in effect my PCT starts 3 weeks and 10 days after the last EQ shot....Also not all of the drug needs to clear the system, a few half-lives is enough to get the drug levels back down to 10% or less.

EQ takes up to a month to clear from your system so there's going to be about 2-3 weeks where you will have no test (even with your test prop 'backload').

EQ takes months or more to "clear" your system (10 half-lives is the general rule). The last 10% takes a while to get rid of. You can fail a drug test a year after your last shot (metabolites still in your system).

As I am taking hCG throughout, there will be plenty of T in my system all the way through. The only time when there will be a slight dip is when I come off the hCG just as I start the Nolvadex which will not be 2-3 weeks of no test.
I have designed this cycle specifically to have a minimum T downtime and to have LH receptor stimulation throughout.

I would ditch the EQ and just run a half gram of Testosterone (I like the test prop kickstart idea though).

Less sides with the EQ. Better quality gains without the bloat.

at least as it is much weaker than testosterone.

It is not "much" weaker, it is weaker but so is almost any anabolic even the beloved deca.

So you might want to think about not doing the test prop on the back end.

But I want a 14 week cycle, also doing the prop is a better idea so everything is cleared enough for an excellent PCT. That SHBG theory sounds like it will make a minimal difference TBH when we are jacking our body's hormone systems left and right with these drugs.

You probably wouldn't even feel 200mg of EQ..

200mg is listed as the lower end of its dosage range, I am a good responder to Test and got good quality gains that I kept on 275mg per week of test alone. So any amount of androgens over 275mg is an add-on, not a single runner.

.most people run it at 400-600mg

Most people run far more than they need too, because they have abused androgens in the past and have burnt out receptors, you read the lists of what some guys cycle just so they can gain 20 pounds in 14 weeks, it is crazy. All anabolics bind to the same AR for their anabolic effect, some also bind to other receptors, hence side-effects, but once these AR's are saturated more drug will not do more, seeing as we only produce around 100mg (from memory) T a week, the number of receptors we have will be proportional to this and I am a firm believer in less is more, I will see how my gains go on cycle and if I need to bump it up by week 5 if I am not happy with my results I can always do more. Thank-you for your concern.

 

[VictorZ06]

I wish I could get gains like you off of such low doses...my cost of living would decrease significantly. Good luck with your program, keep us posted.

/V

 

[PARooolller]

I think men's testes naturally produce 75mg of test naturally????