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Searching for Vinyl? I can get you ANY SONG ON VINYL!
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nudestreak
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max KBS.... do tell???
Mystic Styles
Bluelighter
i just rip my records to .wav, fuck some mp3s unless im putting a mix up for download, i just keep it in .wav format. i know it takes up a lot of space, but you can get 80 gig HDs at circuit city for 60 bucks if you need more space.
PhreeX
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Is anyone even reading my replies to the issues here?
1) The system I am looking at boasts the records produced WILL last about as long as any pressed records, so no, you get more then "20 plays" ...
2) This is NOT like the Vestax cutter, that from what I have read, DOES produce complete shit, this is a cutter that will kickout a final vinyl thats on par with what you'd buy at the record store, and it's not just the company that sells this making those claims, but rather some of the people whom I have talked to that own the system ..
3) YES, I am FULLY AWARE that the music will have to be tweaked with some music editing program first, thats where I will be hiring someone that knows how to use that shit ...
4) I don't care about "getting sued" or the RIAA or pissed off DJ's that don't like me spreadging their limited edition 'signature songs' to anyone with the cash ...
Now for Mass-CD production - that can be done, as I was able to locate a CD burnming 'station' that turns out up to 12 CD's at once, at up to 32x ... only costs $2650 too, so yeah, if you have a CD you'd like mass-produced I think I will go ahead and pick up this machine ... I think this would be of main benifit for those that have produced something (be it a mix CD, a CD of music they produced, etc...) and need a few hundred CD's to give away or sell ... the benifit to this is that if I'm sent a high-quality source the, CD will be equally as good, plus I could kick these out for only a couple bucks per CD on mass orders (say, 100+) ... with my laser jet printer I could also do the labels (though I can also look into getting an actuall CD pritner)
So, overall it seems like there is intrest if the vinal vinyl is of good quality, and I will know this in only a few weeks - I have ripped a record to .wav format and emailed it one of the guys that owns the system I was refering to, he will rip the same song on both sides... I have a $30 money order ($20 for the cut and $10 for shipping) I will mail out tomorrow, then when I get the piece he sends me, I will first test it directly against the original vinyl (the original on one table, the copy on the other) ... I will then see how much abuse these can take (one side will be the side tested for abuse - ie "bump" the needle across the record as often accidently happends and see if it makes a critical scratch) ... I have an old set of Nightclubs so the testing will include playing it for like a solid week over and over then checking it against the original to see if there is any degradation in quality (with as much weight on the needle as I can) ... going "scratch crazy" in the same few spots over and over, and eventually seeing what it DOES take to ruin it to the point it would be in too poor of condition to play (if anyone has ideas as to other tests I can do let me know, as I said, I used to spin, I don't know how you REALLY ruin a record - and no, don't say "carve your name in it with a nail" - basically I want to, over the course of a week or two, put the record through what any normal record would experience over the course of it's lifetime)
Also, if there is any intrest in the mass CD duplication lemme know, hell, this could be a wonderfull way to pirate music as well, for instance, when a new CD is released I could make a few hundred copies that you guys could make money off by selling them, though I don't know where you would do this ...
StarOceanHouse - Have you read ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD past the subject? I am making this post to see if there is intrest and to see what problems I will have to contend with (like so many of you have mentioned) .. I don't even own the equiptment as of yet!
1) The system I am looking at boasts the records produced WILL last about as long as any pressed records, so no, you get more then "20 plays" ...
2) This is NOT like the Vestax cutter, that from what I have read, DOES produce complete shit, this is a cutter that will kickout a final vinyl thats on par with what you'd buy at the record store, and it's not just the company that sells this making those claims, but rather some of the people whom I have talked to that own the system ..
3) YES, I am FULLY AWARE that the music will have to be tweaked with some music editing program first, thats where I will be hiring someone that knows how to use that shit ...
4) I don't care about "getting sued" or the RIAA or pissed off DJ's that don't like me spreadging their limited edition 'signature songs' to anyone with the cash ...
Now for Mass-CD production - that can be done, as I was able to locate a CD burnming 'station' that turns out up to 12 CD's at once, at up to 32x ... only costs $2650 too, so yeah, if you have a CD you'd like mass-produced I think I will go ahead and pick up this machine ... I think this would be of main benifit for those that have produced something (be it a mix CD, a CD of music they produced, etc...) and need a few hundred CD's to give away or sell ... the benifit to this is that if I'm sent a high-quality source the, CD will be equally as good, plus I could kick these out for only a couple bucks per CD on mass orders (say, 100+) ... with my laser jet printer I could also do the labels (though I can also look into getting an actuall CD pritner)
So, overall it seems like there is intrest if the vinal vinyl is of good quality, and I will know this in only a few weeks - I have ripped a record to .wav format and emailed it one of the guys that owns the system I was refering to, he will rip the same song on both sides... I have a $30 money order ($20 for the cut and $10 for shipping) I will mail out tomorrow, then when I get the piece he sends me, I will first test it directly against the original vinyl (the original on one table, the copy on the other) ... I will then see how much abuse these can take (one side will be the side tested for abuse - ie "bump" the needle across the record as often accidently happends and see if it makes a critical scratch) ... I have an old set of Nightclubs so the testing will include playing it for like a solid week over and over then checking it against the original to see if there is any degradation in quality (with as much weight on the needle as I can) ... going "scratch crazy" in the same few spots over and over, and eventually seeing what it DOES take to ruin it to the point it would be in too poor of condition to play (if anyone has ideas as to other tests I can do let me know, as I said, I used to spin, I don't know how you REALLY ruin a record - and no, don't say "carve your name in it with a nail" - basically I want to, over the course of a week or two, put the record through what any normal record would experience over the course of it's lifetime)
Also, if there is any intrest in the mass CD duplication lemme know, hell, this could be a wonderfull way to pirate music as well, for instance, when a new CD is released I could make a few hundred copies that you guys could make money off by selling them, though I don't know where you would do this ...
StarOceanHouse - Have you read ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD past the subject? I am making this post to see if there is intrest and to see what problems I will have to contend with (like so many of you have mentioned) .. I don't even own the equiptment as of yet!
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It sounds like a good idea in theory but personally I probably wouldn't use a service like that. You can find pretty much anything on gemm.com anyway, and I'd rather pay $30-40 for a rare record if I really liked it, than $10 for a bootleg.
PhreeX
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I was just informed of whats supposed to be the "top of the line" cutter - yes, made by Vestax - its NYOT their cheap cutter that will only cut a record with a lifespan of 20-40 plays, this is the Vestax Harodisk System / Vestax VRX-2000 ... to quote a review of it:
It's an all-in-one machine that doesn't hook up to an existing turntable, and the above is only one review out of many, all of them say this is the BEST THING NEXT TO PRESSING (which is totally impractical in terms of cost ..)
Now this little baby costs a heafty amount of money, bling bling, c-notes, dead presidents, flow, loot, benjamins, take you pick - it's fucking balls expensive and would tap me out, plus the special blanks are (currently) only sold by Vestax for something like $6 each ... but still, if you're getting a record that lasts 90% as long as the original, and you just CAN'T get your hands on the track (on vinyl) any other way, I think charging $20-$25 is fair ... search for yourself if you wanna read about it ... this could be mine in only a few months (as my current cash flow situation is lacking by about $3,000 to pick this unit up + get a stock of blanks) ...
DJwhat - We are talking about vinyl thats been out of press for years and years, now, if you found a DJ that had it (and he is likely to only have one copy) then $40 is a VERY, VEEY conservitive etimate ... I only thew a number like that out originally because it was what a DJ had said he'd be willing to sell me a record that he had TWO copies of, was not his "signature song", and had JUST went out of press (he had wanted $75 for it) ... try finding a DJ who has a song that is HIS signature song or an anthem, that has not been pressed in 10 years, and he only has one copy ... see if he is willing to let it go for $40 .. now see if he'd be willing to part with the anther 20 records in his collection that have ALSO been out of press for years ... yeah, $30, thats gunna happen - well, it CAN if I were to purchase either of these systems ..
It's an all-in-one machine that doesn't hook up to an existing turntable, and the above is only one review out of many, all of them say this is the BEST THING NEXT TO PRESSING (which is totally impractical in terms of cost ..)
Now this little baby costs a heafty amount of money, bling bling, c-notes, dead presidents, flow, loot, benjamins, take you pick - it's fucking balls expensive and would tap me out, plus the special blanks are (currently) only sold by Vestax for something like $6 each ... but still, if you're getting a record that lasts 90% as long as the original, and you just CAN'T get your hands on the track (on vinyl) any other way, I think charging $20-$25 is fair ... search for yourself if you wanna read about it ... this could be mine in only a few months (as my current cash flow situation is lacking by about $3,000 to pick this unit up + get a stock of blanks) ...
DJwhat - We are talking about vinyl thats been out of press for years and years, now, if you found a DJ that had it (and he is likely to only have one copy) then $40 is a VERY, VEEY conservitive etimate ... I only thew a number like that out originally because it was what a DJ had said he'd be willing to sell me a record that he had TWO copies of, was not his "signature song", and had JUST went out of press (he had wanted $75 for it) ... try finding a DJ who has a song that is HIS signature song or an anthem, that has not been pressed in 10 years, and he only has one copy ... see if he is willing to let it go for $40 .. now see if he'd be willing to part with the anther 20 records in his collection that have ALSO been out of press for years ... yeah, $30, thats gunna happen - well, it CAN if I were to purchase either of these systems ..
If you had bothered reading the posts in this thread you'd see that the Vestax VRX-2000 has been mentioned at least once. Both Rabbi and roliepolie have stated that (contrary to what appears in marketing brochures) the sound quality of the records it produces is poor.
But hey, it's your money.
But hey, it's your money.
Mystic Styles
Bluelighter
yeah after re considering what you've said your gonna do, its not gonna work at all. Maybe 5 years ago it might have. Today, with the great software/CDJs they are putting out, why would someone pay you for a less than high quality (and unless your have your own press with someone who knows what they are doing to work, its gonna be low quality) copy of a record when they can just put the song in .wav form on a CD for their CDJ or final scratch. You will most likely lose your ass on this.
hashashini
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Also, if you are going to use the audio output from your PC you'd need a VERY silent cpu and a very good soundcard, otherwise all the humming n hissing will be recorded onto the vinyl (acetate) and you'll have poor soundquality no matter what cutter you buy.
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geoff gulley
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Lame........
"I don't care about "getting sued" or the RIAA or pissed off DJ's that don't like me spreadging their limited edition 'signature songs' to anyone with the cash ..."
Great.......what every producer wants to hear. First of all your statement that you can cut music that has the same or better quality than what you can buy at the local music shop is total crap. There's no way on Gods green earth your going to come close to duplicating the sound of a proper label release. The engineers that do this stuff have been doing it for years and years. Mastering is a complex thing. And just because you've "mastered" something before doesn't mean it's fit for vinyl. Vinyl mastering and cdr mastering are two totally different animals. I also find it highly doubtful your "friend" who would master stuff has a proper studio set up and even if he/she does what the hell are they doing helping you boot discs? I read shit like the quote above and it makes me want to puke. It's like DJ's who download tunes from soulseek and spin it out so they have the "latest" music. It's lame, sounds like crap and makes you look like a total fool. If you want to cut vinyl for people do it legit. Don't make copies of tunes you don't have rights to. You may not care and think you are somehow doing others a favor but you're not. This kind of crap takes money from producers and just kills the scene. You're not cool playing some crap ass mp3 out and you're not cool by making a bootleg copy of a track that is no longer available. If you want to cut vinyl for original production work then that's fine, there's a market for that. But if you want to make copies of anything that anyone sends you I would take a long hard look at just what the hell it is you think your doing and what it accomplishes other than greed. I rarely if ever post here and if you think I'm passionate about this subject drop a line to Smight, or D:FUSE or Chris Fortier or Oakey, Diggers, Sasha and the like about what it is you want to do.
"I don't care about "getting sued" or the RIAA or pissed off DJ's that don't like me spreadging their limited edition 'signature songs' to anyone with the cash ..."
Great.......what every producer wants to hear. First of all your statement that you can cut music that has the same or better quality than what you can buy at the local music shop is total crap. There's no way on Gods green earth your going to come close to duplicating the sound of a proper label release. The engineers that do this stuff have been doing it for years and years. Mastering is a complex thing. And just because you've "mastered" something before doesn't mean it's fit for vinyl. Vinyl mastering and cdr mastering are two totally different animals. I also find it highly doubtful your "friend" who would master stuff has a proper studio set up and even if he/she does what the hell are they doing helping you boot discs? I read shit like the quote above and it makes me want to puke. It's like DJ's who download tunes from soulseek and spin it out so they have the "latest" music. It's lame, sounds like crap and makes you look like a total fool. If you want to cut vinyl for people do it legit. Don't make copies of tunes you don't have rights to. You may not care and think you are somehow doing others a favor but you're not. This kind of crap takes money from producers and just kills the scene. You're not cool playing some crap ass mp3 out and you're not cool by making a bootleg copy of a track that is no longer available. If you want to cut vinyl for original production work then that's fine, there's a market for that. But if you want to make copies of anything that anyone sends you I would take a long hard look at just what the hell it is you think your doing and what it accomplishes other than greed. I rarely if ever post here and if you think I'm passionate about this subject drop a line to Smight, or D:FUSE or Chris Fortier or Oakey, Diggers, Sasha and the like about what it is you want to do.
AcidBurn
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Wont work. How would I get this rare track in the first place? Id either get an original, or Id get it in some digital format. If its in some digital format, Id just put it on a CD, bang! Im done. Why would i degrade the sound just to exchange format?
Music reproduction makes for a very bad small business idea. An idea that everyone had, and soon scrapped as soon as they got their first CDR. There are professional mastering firms that will provide better quality and better value, and you cant compete with them.
Music reproduction makes for a very bad small business idea. An idea that everyone had, and soon scrapped as soon as they got their first CDR. There are professional mastering firms that will provide better quality and better value, and you cant compete with them.
w33k4p4u9
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Sinthetik said:
heh
roliepolie
Ex-Bluelighter
yea, if I can get a test pressing made of a track I just produced and it sounds good, I'll grab 500 copies of it off of you at a decent price...
I'll hit you up in PM.
I'll hit you up in PM.
geoff gulley
Bluelighter
Seriously......
People, do some research........some serious research. I'm not kicking the guy for trying to make some jack but this is not the way to go for mass reproductions of original tracks nor copies of out of print or existing tunes. The cutting head doesn't have the life to cut 500 copies of a tune and to replace it once worn will cost this person around $500.00 dollars. Sound quality will be minimal at best given it's expected life and he/she's not even in a proper studio with proper mastering equipment. Even if they have proper studio gear mastering vinyl is a touch and go affair best left to people who have done it for years....not weeks, not months but years. If your tune is up to snuff a label will pick it up and press it. If it's not go to a reputable pressing company and have it professionally done. I can't believe this is even a production topic
People, do some research........some serious research. I'm not kicking the guy for trying to make some jack but this is not the way to go for mass reproductions of original tracks nor copies of out of print or existing tunes. The cutting head doesn't have the life to cut 500 copies of a tune and to replace it once worn will cost this person around $500.00 dollars. Sound quality will be minimal at best given it's expected life and he/she's not even in a proper studio with proper mastering equipment. Even if they have proper studio gear mastering vinyl is a touch and go affair best left to people who have done it for years....not weeks, not months but years. If your tune is up to snuff a label will pick it up and press it. If it's not go to a reputable pressing company and have it professionally done. I can't believe this is even a production topic
Olorin
Bluelighter
This is a KILLER idea and I'm behind you 100% of the way, and would buy from you for sure!
How soon could you do this?
How soon could you do this?
NecroTrance
Bluelighter
Do it...And I'll buy multitudes of rekkids from you, granted they are of decent quality that wouldn't be a burden during mixing. Plus, I'm from CFL, so if you need any help in getting this ball rolling or just someone to take up some slack in your 'factory' I'd be glad to help...Contact me on a messenger.
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
Well, like I said, the ENTIRE IDEA BEHIND THIS THREAD WAS TO GET FEEDBACK ... and yes, it's all the NEGITIVE feedback that helps me more then the people that are just interested.... as for the debate about sound quality - I was looking at either the Vestax model or another model, I have found message boards and emailed several people that own both units, and have been told that with proper mastering, you WILL get a disc that comes about as close to the quality as that which you'd get from a pressed disc, f course you will NEVER get 100% AS GOOD of sound as you do from a pressed disc, but there is no way such a "single disc" service could be established without charging an insane amount of money ...
So overall I will wait to get a vinyl back (the one that I had sent the guy a .wav of, direct input from the original vinyl) .. if it withstands the stress testing, and if the sound is truely as good as he claims, then I might go for that system... as for the Vestax-2000, yeah, I mis-read and though that the above poster was refering the other cutter Vestax maes (that DOES produce shitty cuttings) ...
But still, cost is a factor when you consider what the blank discs costs and that you also need to replace the cutting head every so often ...
So I must thank all of you for your input, especially those that have pointed out the negitive aspects of such an endevour...
And yes, I am aware that some SERIOUS mastering would need to be done first, again, this raises the cost even more ...
Why would someone pick such a service when they could just burn it onto CD? Simple, because I'd wager the majority of DJ's are still totally pro-vinyl, even though if I ever got back into it I'd invest into some nice CD spinning equiptment to go along with my tables ...
So, for now I think I have enough information from both the pro and negitive camps in regards to this issue... when I recieve the vinyl (it's comming from Europe) and have the chance to see what a $7,500 cutter (the non Vestax one) can really do, I will make my choice then follow up...
Until then, I thank you all for your feedback ...
tl;dr -
There are definitly a large number of CON's as well as a large number of PRO's to taking on such an endevour, but I thank you allfor your feedback, the good and the (more helpfull) negitive...
So overall I will wait to get a vinyl back (the one that I had sent the guy a .wav of, direct input from the original vinyl) .. if it withstands the stress testing, and if the sound is truely as good as he claims, then I might go for that system... as for the Vestax-2000, yeah, I mis-read and though that the above poster was refering the other cutter Vestax maes (that DOES produce shitty cuttings) ...
But still, cost is a factor when you consider what the blank discs costs and that you also need to replace the cutting head every so often ...
So I must thank all of you for your input, especially those that have pointed out the negitive aspects of such an endevour...
And yes, I am aware that some SERIOUS mastering would need to be done first, again, this raises the cost even more ...
Why would someone pick such a service when they could just burn it onto CD? Simple, because I'd wager the majority of DJ's are still totally pro-vinyl, even though if I ever got back into it I'd invest into some nice CD spinning equiptment to go along with my tables ...
So, for now I think I have enough information from both the pro and negitive camps in regards to this issue... when I recieve the vinyl (it's comming from Europe) and have the chance to see what a $7,500 cutter (the non Vestax one) can really do, I will make my choice then follow up...
Until then, I thank you all for your feedback ...
tl;dr -
There are definitly a large number of CON's as well as a large number of PRO's to taking on such an endevour, but I thank you allfor your feedback, the good and the (more helpfull) negitive...
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