Scopolamine from Buscopan OTC?

[drfeelgood1]

Has anyone been taking this drug?
10mg of scopolamine is a deadly dose but Im not sure if its actually the same formulation of scopolamine thats found in Datura plants or in the motion sickness patches which are less than 1mg.

Where I live, Buscopan is OTC. Which I assume should be safe than the scopolamine found in the Datura plants which is avail by prescription only.

Had anyone had any reports of delirium or hallucinations when exceeding too much of Buscopan?
And what is the max dosage?

I just want to keep it safe.


Please help.

 

[paranoid android]

Buscopan is actually a form of scopolamine that does not cross the blood brain barrier. It's actually hyoscine butylbromide and 10mg's is the usual dose i believe. I have had it in the past and it works awesome for stomach cramps. I have taken extra doses of it because of really bad stomach cramps and experienced nothing more then dilated pupils which it still can cause in some people. 10mg's of scopolamine however taken at once would kill you or drive you completely insane to the point where you would never be the same i would think.

DO NOT fuck around with anti-cholinergics to try and get high. I have taken scopolamine in patch form many times and there is no way in hell i would try and get high off of that. During a bad stomach flu last summer i was wearing a scopolamine patch and taking 100mg's of gravol (dimenhydrinate) every 4 hours or so along with it. I was also smoking alot of kush and between all these drugs my stomach cramps and nausea and vomiting where kept at bay. However i had a somewhat scary episode where i was not sure if i was actually thinking something or saying it out loud. This was in no way pleasant at all and i can easily see why things can go so horribly wrong when people mess with anti-cholinergics to try and get a "high". I think there have been rare cases where buscopan has caused anti-cholinergic toxicity but i doubt you would have any problems at recommended doses.

Oddly enough in Canada you can get the scopolamine patches OTC but you need a prescription for buscopan. Go figure

 

[drfeelgood1]

Yepp...I think Scopolamine is even way worse than taking PCP...
I read a pamphet in PDF form about Buscopan Forte and says that that it rarely can cause some excitement and hallucinations and drowsiness if taken more than the recommended dose.
But not as serious as taking a Datura plant and eating it...!!!!! Yikes!!!! Its even giving me the chills even thinking about trying this evil drug.

Well if we think about it, in the US you can get Diphenhydramine OTC and it has similar hallucinogenic and delirious effects in a same way as Scopolamine has in high amounts and its still OTC....Now go figure that one...

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I've taken Buscopan (butylscopolamine) therapeutically lots of times and it worked well and I did not have any side effects. Buscopan is not scopolamine, it is a semisynthetic derivative of scopolamine. Buscopan does not cross the blood brain barrier, preventing the CNS side-effects associated with scopolamine or hyoscine.

I would not try to take it recreationally, and it has no recreational value, but if you are just asking if it is safe to take in normal therapeutic doses then yes it is generally considered safe and has a very low instance of side effects.

The recommended dose is 10mg 2-5 times a day, not recommended to be taken for more than 4-5 days without talking to a doctor. The maximum dosage is 80mg per day.

 

[drfeelgood1]

Its kind of like with Loperamide. Its a narcotic, but does not cross the BBB to get the euphoric effects.

 

[paranoid android]

Scopolamine is not a bad drug at all when used correctly in medical doses and for the purposes that it is meant for. Many people here take it for sea sickness often along with dimenhydrinate (brand names gravol and Dramamine) which is another anti-cholinergic that people sometimes abuse for it's delirious effects. I would not recommend using both together though as you could end up in very bad shape if you are sensitive to anti-cholinergics. Both buscopan and scopolamine are great for helping stomach cramps of all kinds but buscopan is much more preferable since it has much less side effects due to it not crossing the BBB. Hyoscine butylbromide and butylscopolamine are both names for the same drug that is in buscopan. That confused me at first

When i was maybe 12 years old i was dumb enough to try dimenhydrinate to try and get "high" off of it. I read that it caused drowsiness and i knew that some guys on fishing boats resorted to taking it when every recreational drug had been used up but since there was no internet or erowid back in those days i had no idea what i was in for or what dose to take. I took 25 50mg pills and what followed was the worst drug experience of my life and that is saying a fuck of alot . I don't remember much about it but i remember being completely unable to sleep due to the restlessness it caused all over my body, seeing spiders and rats run across the floor and up the walls, talking to people that where not there and being completely unable to walk. I was very lucky i did not end up killing myself in that state as you absolutely cannot tell what is hallucination and what is real and that is what makes it so dangerous. Not to mention it can cause seizures, trouble breathing and even heart attacks at the dosage that people use to cause delirium.

Also i have taken PCP and i can see it being fun in small doses but i smoked way too much 8( . Anti-cholinergics on the other hand are in no way fun at all at any dose and are just not drugs to be used for recreational purposes. They are ok to take in prescribed doses for their medical purposes or to potentiate opiates but other then that leave them alone.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

in the UK we have OTC travel sickness pills called 'Joy rides' which contain 150ug hyoscine hydrobromide per tablet. I find these to have some recreational value if i take 6 or 8 in one go. However, it only seems to have a sedating effect rather than being dissociative. This effect can be potentiated by OTC diphenhydramine such as 'Nytol', which I believe is also an anticholinergic. It's not something i would do very often, but it has it's uses...

 

[paranoid android]

in the UK we have OTC travel sickness pills called 'Joy rides' which contain 150ug hyoscine hydrobromide per tablet. I find these to have some recreational value if i take 6 or 8 in one go. However, it only seems to have a sedating effect rather than being dissociative. This effect can be potentiated by OTC diphenhydramine such as 'Nytol', which I believe is also an anticholinergic. It's not something i would do very often, but it has it's uses...

Hyoscine is scopolamine and taking a overdose of that is not something you want to do. It does cause sedation at low doses but in doses known to produce delirium it can cause a very unpleasant restlessness. Diphenhydramine would make it feel stronger since it is also a strong anti-cholinergic. I have taken dimenhydrinate which is much the same as diphenhydramine with scopolamine and it does increase the anti-nausea and anti-cholinergic effects. It's just additive effects really since it's just adding another anti-muscarinic to another. However unlike diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate scopolamine does not cause any H1 antagonism so it's not a anti-histamine.

Hyoscine and scopolamine are the sane drug as far as i can tell. However DO NOT take this as gospel since i could very well be wrong.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^Yes, hyoscine and scopolamine are the same thing. Hyoscine hydrobromide = scopolamine hydrobromide. But Buscopan is not the same thing. Buscopan = butylscopolamine, aka scopolamine butylbromide, aka butylhyoscine, aka hyoscine butylbromide (they are all different names for the same drug). The attachment of the butyl-bromide moiety prevents Buscopan from crossing the blood–brain barrier. So it is different from hyoscine hydrobromide. And you are right, hyoscine hydrobromide is very unpleasant to overdose on.

 

[paranoid android]

^Yes, hyoscine and scopolamine are the same thing. Hyoscine hydrobromide = scopolamine hydrobromide. But Buscopan is not the same thing. Buscopan = butylscopolamine, aka scopolamine butylbromide, aka butylhyoscine, aka hyoscine butylbromide (they are all different names for the same drug). The attachment of the butyl-bromide moiety prevents Buscopan from crossing the blood–brain barrier. So it is different from hyoscine hydrobromide. And you are right, hyoscine hydrobromide is very unpleasant to overdose on.

Yeah i knew Buscopan is basically a form of scopolamine that does not cross the blood brain barrier. Ive had both buscopan (hyoscine butylbromide) as well as scopolamine and they are both great at helping stomach cramps. This makes since as Buscopan is just scopolamine that does not cross the blood brain barrier and thus does not cause any of the CNS effects.

It's completely retarded that Buscopan is available by prescription here (it's in the ethical category but you almost always need a script) while scopolamine in patch form is available OTC at any pharmacy in Canada. There the same drug and Buscopan is safer as it does not cross the BBB so that's yet another drug regulation that does not make any fucking sense

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Hyoscine is scopolamine and taking a overdose of that is not something you want to do. It does cause sedation at low doses but in doses known to produce delirium it can cause a very unpleasant restlessness. Diphenhydramine would make it feel stronger since it is also a strong anti-cholinergic. I have taken dimenhydrinate which is much the same as diphenhydramine with scopolamine and it does increase the anti-nausea and anti-cholinergic effects. It's just additive effects really since it's just adding another anti-muscarinic to another. However unlike diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate scopolamine does not cause any H1 antagonism so it's not a anti-histamine.

Hyoscine and scopolamine are the sane drug as far as i can tell. However DO NOT take this as gospel since i could very well be wrong.

Yes, hyoscine IS scopolamine and I'm well aware of it's nasty reputation, which is why I only take 8 tablets max. I rather like the sedation from that dose, but have no intention of inducing delirium - just the thought of it makes me shudder...