Schizoid personality disorder

i consider personality disorders more as a personality type than a disorder. There are some however that certainly fit the criteria for disorder, such as psychopathy (neurological disorder) and Borderline personality disorder
 
The thing that bothers me about personality disorders is the fact that with them around there is no way to be "normal." It's your fucking personality. Everyone has one and everyone has a different one. I don't consider personality disorders mental illness. I'm sorry if you disagree as many will, but I think it's just a way for psychiatrists to make money. Also, why does everyone HAVE to have something wrong with them. Just because you're not like everyone else doesn't make you sick and have a disorder. If it's not affecting your functioning then live with being different.


But many personality disorders do fuck with your ability to function. BPD (yes, I mean Borderline), APD and NPD can be completely destructive to oneself and those around them. I've known one person with NPD, and while he has the ambition to climb to the top his name calling and tendency to put people down in order to make himself feel better has left him completely alone and miserable. I was a good friend of his for a long time, and back in high school that kind of shit talking was fun, but as you get around to be 20,21,22 motherfucker just needs to grow up and keep it in its time and place.

I've also known a couple of people with APD, and I could kill them.

I can't definitively say I have ever met anybody with BPD, but it is very serious and not just some arbitrary difference in personality that society just doesn't jive with. They are seriously fucked up people, ask them yourself. (No offense to people who have the disorder, I have a way with written words that sometimes comes off as offensive, but I'm just trying to say that people with BPD know that the shit that they compulsively pull is not cool).
 
I agree with that on many of the DSM conditions but if there's a mechanism behind a disorder that can make it arise, it could also be useful in undoing the damage when figured out. Some conditions are very real and I think the focus should be to weed out the ones from the psychiatry manuals that qualify more as personality traits and stop medicating those people for nothing. Maybe those things need a school of their own outside psychiatry.

There are things scientific medicine doesn't take into account, things that can't be quantified at least yet. I would guess it's just a property of using the scientific method. As more is understood about the brain, psyche and consciousness, things will improve. I used to wonder why quack stuff like homeopathy is so popular until I saw clips of people going to the clinics. They just wanted to talk about themselves and have someone listen to their problems for more than 15 minutes. That's not selfish, it's just a basic human need. They often even claim the placebo helps with whatever it was given for and the sincerity of the person doing the treatment seems to have some effect. If that could be incorporated into the visit at a normal clinic the experience might work for more people. Doctors just care about the facts, as it should be in any science but when dealing with people it's not that simple. It seems cold and distant to sensitive people, like being schizoid does. Don't get me wrong, I still think homeopathy is bullshit.

Science is constantly developing with technology and I have total confidence we will eventually understand most if not all of these disorders or whatever they should be called. The progress actually seems to be accelerating. I'll admit this is coming from someone who agrees with a lot of transhumanist ideology but I think there's a real point to it beyond all that almost religious technological singularity/posthuman era stuff. If we don't destroy ourselves with it, our understanding (like technology and science) will take us further as a race and among other things help people better deal with things like you see at TDS.

Most of those schizoid tendencies can also arise as a result of other problems. I've spent my adult life fighting a combo of instantly changing moods, unbelievably stupid impulses, uncontrollable rage that pops up out of the blue and in general things that ensure bad stuff will always occasionally happen when the variables are in the right position. I can't describe how hard it is to consciously try to control that stuff and often it fails when you have no clue why it happens. Ever since benzos started producing paradoxical effects after many years of abuse, I haven't been able to control bursts of anger anymore, even off drugs. Which is just to say it's probably my own fault. Combined with everything else that has made it impossible for me to have any kind of deep relationship with women. I will eventually lose my temper for the smallest reason and act in a way I would never want to act towards that person. Petty, manipulative, dramatic. Like a little kid. I've never hit a woman, I run out of the house before it gets that far. Eventually it happens too many times and there's no going back after that. I don't want to be angry at all, I just can't help it. It's a shitty thing for anyone who feels remorse and has an entirely non-aggressive conscious view. My last relationship lasted 3 years and it was hell for a long time. I don't want to drag anyone through that again and have stopped pursuing any interest in women. It sucks enough to bring me to tears unless I drown it in something. In general I can't be around people more than a few hours at a time.

So while some people are naturally schizoid, some may develop similar symptoms from social exclusion due to other problems. I've even seen for myself how bad gaming addictions can change people in this direction very fast so why not other drugs as well.

From the Wikipedia entry:

"The question of whether SPD qualifies as a full personality disorder or simply as an avoidant attachment style is a contentious one. If what has been known as schizoid personality disorder is no more than an attachment style requiring more distant emotional proximity, then many of the more problematic reactions these individuals show in interpersonal situations may be partly accounted for by the social judgments commonly imposed on those with this style."

Recent acute brain chemistry is leading to looooong posts. It'll go away at some point :)
 
Gloeek, the definition of a personality disorder is a fixed pattern of thinking that hinders a person's ability to cope with life. Dysfunction, be it social, professional, educational, family-related, or in carrying out basic activities of daily living, is part of the definition of a PD. If you succeed at life in all these areas, you may be quirky, but you do not have a personality disorder. People present to doctors and psychologists and get diagnosed with a personality disorder typically because people in their lives have consistently found them impossible to deal with (for example, they keep getting fired or dumped).

Diagnoses of personality disorders are not made lightly. A number of them are pretty damning things to have written in your medical records. You get slapped with one when a doc or shrink thinks 'Oh shit, this person needs help with their life outlook before something pretty bad happens to them.'

OP, I hope whoever give you this diagnosis has given you a practical plan for how to overcome the obstacles he sees before you. If not, his diagnosis ain't necessarily worth much.
 
^Yeah. I remember watching a documentary about how people with some personality disorders couldn't have kids in certain countries. Like if they got pregnant and the gov't found out their kid would have been taken away. Some were living hidden lives. Serious stuff.



I remember while in therapy I tried to diasgnose myself with one of the personalit disorders. I fit so many criteria too.

Then I had a talk with my therapist (PhD psych) and she explained it to me so I knew I didn't have it.

Therapists get tons of training on just how to diagnose a disorder. Plus so many are similar.

I wouldn't believe anything until you talk with a specialist and get diagnosed.
 
I think that when people read the criteria of just about any disorder in the DSM they can recognize something similar within themselves, it just depends on the degree or severity as to whether it constitutes a disorder. That is why I believe no one should self-diagnose.
 
..You are aware how that makes you sound, are you not?

I do have a lot of APD traits, but not enough to have the actual disorder. I scored extremely high on the 4 scale of my MMPI, but I didn't answer yes to any of the questions regarding cruelty to animals or anything like that. But if you have ever been inside of a cell or out in the world and exposed to people like this on a regular basis, you will understand where our draconian system of prisons and our feelings of capitol punishment come from.

Some people just need to be taken out of the world (I don't believe in the death penalty, but I do believe in vigilante justice, almost ironically) because they are an absolute threat and danger to everything they come across.

A psychopath can kill or harm somebody without conscience, I believe my conscience would get to me to an extent even if I killed a psychopath. Well, except for a couple of these guys, but fortunately for me (and them) they are in other states and I can not be bothered traveling half-way across the country just to get revenge and end up in prison for the rest of my life over some shit that was done to me 10 years ago. Psychopaths will be psychopaths, and their ways will get them into trouble without me having to do a goddamn thing.
 
Gloeek, the definition of a personality disorder is a fixed pattern of thinking that hinders a person's ability to cope with life. Dysfunction, be it social, professional, educational, family-related, or in carrying out basic activities of daily living, is part of the definition of a PD. If you succeed at life in all these areas, you may be quirky, but you do not have a personality disorder. People present to doctors and psychologists and get diagnosed with a personality disorder typically because people in their lives have consistently found them impossible to deal with (for example, they keep getting fired or dumped).

Diagnoses of personality disorders are not made lightly. A number of them are pretty damning things to have written in your medical records. You get slapped with one when a doc or shrink thinks 'Oh shit, this person needs help with their life outlook before something pretty bad happens to them.'

OP, I hope whoever give you this diagnosis has given you a practical plan for how to overcome the obstacles he sees before you. If not, his diagnosis ain't necessarily worth much.


Very well said MyDoorsAre Open ;)
 
The difference between "could" and "would," particularly in a case like this can change really quickly.
 
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