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Saying Sorry

swilow

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FWIW, I am sorry that our western ancestors destroyed your culture, and I'm sorry that we sit back and tsk tsk at it without doing much. I hope this band aid help some..... Maybe, just maybe, this day might be a REAL change, whereby the people of this country respect the rights of the original inhabitants and honour the longest-lasting human civilisation to ever occurr on this planet.

Peace to all native Australians, and peace to all migrants. Which is essentailly all of us. :)

Love- 40,000BC-1788AD.

Bring it back <3

Swilow, sorry to hijack your thread - but i need to add something here:

Everyone,

This is a very sensitive topic, and the sentiment in here displayed by members is very personal. This thread is not the place to start discussion about whether you want to say sorry or not, or to engage in another debate regarding Indigenous Australians. Any such posts will be deleted immediately.

Thanks, the Aus Social Team.
 
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Bout fucken time.

K.Rudd's certainly taken some good steps already in his leadership. Good on him! :)
 
I happened to be on my way to work this morning and joined the crowd gathered at Federation Square in the CBD to watch the apology. It was moving to see people from so many walks of life gathered for something like this, most of them like me, just on their way to work.

For people that want to debate this issue in more detail, I've started a thread in CE+P, Time for nation to turn new page. Thanks :)
 
THERE are moments in a nation's history when the clocks stop. Today in Canberra such a moment will occur. The past, present and future will bind together around one small five-letter word. That word is sorry. The time has come to say it.

There are also moments in a nation's history when pride and dignity rise to the surface of the national character. Today in Canberra such a moment will occur. The Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, will rise to speak to the new Parliament, to the visitors' gallery, to the people gathered outside Parliament House, to the spectators expected in city squares to watch proceedings, to schoolchildren and, most importantly, to indigenous communities throughout the land.

In that moment, the Prime Minister of Australia will offer an apology to the stolen generations of indigenous Australia. It will be an offering not of personal penitence, but of regret and sorrow on behalf of this country's actions towards indigenous Australians. It will be the cracking open of a hard seal of denial that has hidden the kernel of a distressing episode that endured in this country for decades.

Last night Mr Rudd released the text of his statement. It reads in part: "To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking-up of families and communities, we say sorry."

Mr Rudd will be speaking to the living, but his audience will also feel the presence of those who could not be there. At their backs, beside them, at their feet, holding their hands, within the hearts of those able to listen are the ghosts of lives thwarted. Indigenous Australians have lived with the memory of this theft from their families for too long. A stolen child scours the life of the parent and the child. The mourning of that loss was not heard, shamefully, by white Australia for far too long.

Today a bridge will be opened over this yawning chasm in the relationship between white and indigenous Australia.

One word, of course, cannot reconcile a family's devastation, let alone that of generations'. Critics of an apology argue that, in essence, the past was another country. They did things differently there and therefore we do not have a duty to say sorry, nor do we owe them anything. It is a puerile objection. It belittles dignity and honour to even raise it. As the Bringing Them Home report stated a decade ago: "The truth is that the past is very much with us today in the continuing devastation of the lives of indigenous Australians."

It was the 1997 report of the National Inquiry into the Separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children from their Families that spurred the question of an apology to the stolen generations. Commissioned by the then attorney-general Michael Lavarch in August 1995, the inquiry was conducted by the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission. One of its main aims was to trace "past laws, practices and policies which resulted in the separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families by compulsion, duress or undue influence".

It found overwhelmingly among those affected two traumatic emotions: "grief and loss". It also discovered among this debris "tenacity and survival" in the face of this human harvesting. It is to the survivors that Mr Rudd will speak; it is towards the memory of the victims that his words will fall.

That it has taken a decade to reach this moment is a stain on this nation. In 1995, the New Zealand Government apologised to a Maori tribe for stealing 500,000 hectares of land 130 years earlier. The apology, enshrined in law, had the imprimatur of the Queen. In 1998, the Canadian Government, acting on a 1996 report, apologised to its indigenous population for its past actions that eroded "the political, economic and social systems of Aboriginal people and nations". The hour has now arrived on these shores.

TODAY will mark a step in Australia's evolving maturity. Nationhood is more than trial under fire. Courage forged in wars against foreign foes plays a part in how a country sees itself, but it is also the courage to act while under fire from within that forges character.

Saying sorry has been hostage to cheap political point scoring, and to a federal government (elected one year before the Bringing Them Home report was published) driven by one man's blind ideology, assisted by his loyal followers.

From little things big things grow, and as potent a symbol as the apology is, it must be followed up with concrete and determined action. Mr Rudd has pledged to close the gap between the life spans of indigenous and white Australians, which at present stands at 17 years. If Australia is to hold its head high then it must be committed to ridding indigenous Australia of the Third World conditions that blight its present and darken its future.

Reconciliation and healing are not abstract terms. They live within people, and thus within a nation. A hard truth, however, is this: Mr Rudd's words will not return a single child. Tomorrow the sun will rise, the Earth will spin around the sun, the stars will hold their place in the sky. But to indigenous Australia the axis of their world will have changed because something will have been returned to them. That something is respect; and with that must come hope that what they have seen, white Australia now sees too. And white Australia says sorry also, for all these wasted years of looking the other way.

Source: http://www.theage.com.au/news/editorial/the-hour-has-come-a-nation-says-sorry/2008/02/12/1202760300641.html
 
I just think, as opposed to debating anything, that if people wanted a physical place to say sorry- for whatever reason- here would be good.
 
I thought his speech was good, but got way to politi-co at the end

"i have fufilled MY promises that i would do this"
"The new government HAS kept its promise"

kind of took away from it a little i reckon.
 
abbot had to be difificult on lateline last night just for the sake of it, glad nelson got snubbed - wilson tuckey was a prick tonight on sbs but that's expected, he only likes dealing with aboriginal issues if there's an iron bar involved

reparations are in order though, and then i'll take the apology a little more seriously
 
swilow said:
I just think, as opposed to debating anything, that if people wanted a physical place to say sorry- for whatever reason- here would be good.

That is so well put swilow! :)

I've grown up with both sides of this ! And i dont want to anymore..

I for one am sooo sorry <3 Its not that hard to say..
 
hoptis said:
It was moving to see people from so many walks of life gathered for something like this, most of them like me, just on their way to work.

:)

For the first time in a while, I felt proud to be an Australian today.

I, too, am sorry and I'm pleased that the words have finally been spoken in parliament.
 
I'm really sad I missed the screening in Fed Square - I shed a few tears when reading the article and the transcript of the speech. K-rudd certainly made up for his abysmal acceptance speech ;)

A definitive turning point in Australian social history. And one that I'm very proud to have witnessed. I hope the mood, sentiment and positivity surrounding today can be carried onwards and upwards for Australia.

I am sorry.
 
I don't mean this in a bad way at all, but sorry is such an empty word nowadays anyhow, IMHumbleO anyway.
 
samadhi: if we cannot comment about the reasons why we should not say sorry in the "Saying Sorry" thread in the social forum, then exactly where should we say it? Drugs Discussion?

edit: removed portion of post not relevant to this thread - samadhi.
 
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So what exactly happened in Austrailia in 1783? People came in and stole land and stuff from the original people there? Would this be analougous to Europeans and English people masacuring indians and stealing their land in the begining of modern America??
 
No we also removed children from their communities for decades right up to about 1984 I think, for the specific purposes of destroying their culture and breeding out their race. See the film Rabbit Proof Fence for reference.

I am very sorry for that. It was a terrible thing. Many of those children were then abused, most of them felt isolated and it's the the major cause of much of the division in society between white australians and aboriginal australians today.

I was pretty busy on Sorry day, but I tried to catch as much as I could and I read the full apology in the paper. Well done to Rudd on this one. It's about time.
 
Sorry Jakoz, perhaps you didn't see hoptis's post on the page, the part where he's linked to a thread in CE&P where you can discuss this?

Take a look a few posts above you, thanks.

8)
 
hoptis said:
I happened to be on my way to work this morning and joined the crowd gathered at Federation Square in the CBD to watch the apology. It was moving to see people from so many walks of life gathered for something like this, most of them like me, just on their way to work.

For people that want to debate this issue in more detail, I've started a thread in CE+P, Time for nation to turn new page. Thanks :)

Just in case you miss it again.
 
Im glad Rudd said 'sorry' on behalf of the Aus population. It sucks that its taken so long for i too happen. There are issues behind 'some peoples thought' and they over shadow the good of the apology. Which is a shame. Working in some of the down trodden areas in Melb and Syd I have had the pleasure of meeting a number of Aboriginies and some of them have horrific stories from when they were taken away from their families.

People may not be of the opinion they need to say sorry, but thats their problem. They only speak for a minority of the nation.

I am glad we have addressed the issue. It is step one in the healing process. The people who need closure on it will get it eventually.

<3
 
I cried throughout that speech. I'm so happy to have seen history in the making. For the first time ever i'm happy with the PM being who he is. Long time overdue!!
 
Sorry CONCEPT Removes BLOCKAGES. World Emotional Tetris.

I didn't read the thread.
I didn't read the openin' title.
I didn't read the O.P.

But I saw the word 'Sorry'.

I'm sorry that so many things happen'd.
I'm sorry for fo' most of the bad things I've done,
an' I'd like to be sorry for the otha ones.

I'mean,
i'm sorry for them, too.
It's jus' that I don' know what they are yet.

I'm sorry,
mos def,
fo' people who are hurtin',
for people who are displac'd,
fo' people who don' wanna feel the rain
that's fallin' on my roof.

I'm sorry I occasionally
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hurt peeps that are far
&
near.

I'm sorry for the sufferin' of Indig. Pain.

I'm sorry for any
person whose life has been fuck'd up by force'd
removal from inappropriate sitchess.

I'm sorry fo' fuck'd up posts.

I'm sorry for
the
fact that
the word
sorry
has been
belittled
by people who,
may
be
sorry.

I'm sorry for
the
fact that
the word
sorry
has been
belittled
by people who
are sayin' it
justa be sayin' it.

I'm sorry fo' ev'ry pain a
sister
o'
brotha
has ta
gothrou
regardless o' circumstance.

I'm sorry to the power.

Connection an'
all that.

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Sorry
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Fusion-Post.

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