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^ Brown shit that's bad for your liver? Care to elaborate? I've had some damn good MDMA powder with trace amount of iron still in it that made the powder an off white color, just because the powder is not sparkly-white doesn't mean the molly powder is bad for your health.
 
So... after reading like a million arguments

We have found Sasafras to be Molly ?

Why wouldn't it just be called molly, if that's what it is?

I have never tried this, however it is in Canada and I've heard from experienced (xtc) users that this is the new 'thing'

However, I have never, ever heard of Molly (ecept for here in bluelight) could this be slang for molly... maybe?

I have not tried it surprisingly, only because it is not yet in my city....

I can't see this being a plant extract or have anything to do with a plant, (I think alot of people are confusing this drug with the similar name for the plant used in rootbeer and liquorice..) but I have been proved wrong ALOT....and also can someone explain what a percusor to MDMA is exactly?
 
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MistaSmokalot said:
So... after reading like a million arguments

We have found Sasafras to be Molly ?

Why wouldn't it just be called molly, if that's what it is?

I have never tried this, however it is in Canada and I've heard from experienced (xtc) users that this is the new 'thing'

However, I have never, ever heard of Molly (ecept for here in bluelight) could this be slang for molly... maybe?

I have not tried it surprisingly, only because it is not yet in my city....

I can't see this being a plant extract or have anything to do with a plant, (I think alot of people are confusing this drug with the similar name for the plant used in rootbeer and liquorice..) but I have been proved wrong ALOT....and also can someone explain what a percusor to MDMA is exactly?


Oh boy. 8) Okay boys and girls, school is in session. The sassafras your refering to is actually sassafras albidum which is found in safrole. Safrole is a precursor used in the manufacturing of MDA. The correct pharacuetical procedure used to make MDMA, first involves the making of MDA. Safrole, or sassafras smells of licorice or root beer, thus the reason why your pills often wreak or smell of sassafras. Though the use of safrole is correct in the manufacturing of both MDA and MDMA, pills that smell of it are improperly cleaned, thus dirty pills. This doesn't mean their bad, it's just that the pure MDA or MDMA crystals/powder were not washed properly during the final phase of production. Though safrole can be toxic to the liver, thus the reason behind my old thread "cleaning your ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash".

Whew!

Le Junk.........impowering one newbie at a time ;)

P.S. Oh, and precursors are chemicals used in the manufacturing of said products. For example, MDMA involves the use of about 10-20 different precursors. And finally, sassafras is not molly or what you would consider to be pure MDA or MDMA, it's just a precursor used in their chemical makeup is all.....
 
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Le Junk, let me correct some of your errors.

1) Sassafras refers to multiple species of tree in the same genus, all of which contain the essential oil safrole in the root bark. Sassafras was traditionally used as a flavoring in root beer, as well as a spice in Cajun cuisine.

2) You cannot make MDMA from MDA. Safrole can be used as a precursor for making either MDA or MDMA, but once you've made MDA you might as well throw it away if you want MDMA.

3) It's impossible to wash all the safrole out of MDMA. No synthesis and cleanup can ever result in 99.9% MDMA. That 0.1% is always going to contain a little safrole and MDP2P, so the smell is always going to be recognizable to those with a sensitive enough nose, whether it's a dog or a human.

4) Even assuming you mean MDMA synthesis involves the use of 10-20 'chemicals', that's pushing it. Most of the chemicals involved are things like solvents, metal catalysts, epsom salts, etc. In countries where you don't have to make the desired precursors out of OTC precursors, an MDMA synthesis can involve as little as .. 4 precursors?

5) 'Sassafras' has been used as slang for drugs for a long time. It originally referred to marijuana. Lately is has been used to refer to MDMA, MDA, or MDEA by various regional drug cultures. A quick skimming of Google finds me people claiming the 'sassafras' was local slang for each one of the three drugs.

Basically, if someone tries to sell you 'sassafras', you need to realize that you have no way of knowing what they really have.
 
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Coolio said:
2) You cannot make MDMA from MDA. Safrole can be used as a precursor for making either MDA or MDMA, but once you've made MDA you might as well throw it away if you want MDMA.

PiHKAL by Shulgin clearly states a synthesis route from MDA to MDMA, so I don't think this is correct.
 
Coolio said:
Le Junk, let me correct some of your errors.

1) Sassafras refers to multiple species of tree in the same genus, all of which contain the essential oil safrole in the root bark. Sassafras was traditionally used as a flavoring in root beer, as well as a spice in Cajun cuisine.

2) You cannot make MDMA from MDA. Safrole can be used as a precursor for making either MDA or MDMA, but once you've made MDA you might as well throw it away if you want MDMA.

3) It's impossible to wash all the safrole out of MDMA. No synthesis and cleanup can ever result in 99.9% MDMA. That 0.1% is always going to contain a little safrole and MDP2P, so the smell is always going to be recognizable to those with a sensitive enough nose, whether it's a dog or a human.

4) Even assuming you mean MDMA synthesis involves the use of 10-20 'chemicals', that's pushing it. Most of the chemicals involved are things like solvents, metal catalysts, epsom salts, etc. In countries where you don't have to make the desired precursors out of OTC precursors, an MDMA synthesis can involve as little as .. 4 precursors?

5) 'Sassafras' has been used as slang for drugs for a long time. It originally referred to marijuana. Lately is has been used to refer to MDMA, MDA, or MDEA by various regional drug cultures. A quick skimming of Google finds me people claiming the 'sassafras' was local slang for each one of the three drugs.

Basically, if someone tries to sell you 'sassafras', you need to realize that you have no way of knowing what they really have.


Whaaaat? What are you bustin' my balls for when you know 99% or better of what I'm saying is entirely correct.

First of all, the reference to "sassafras" I was refering to was in conjuction with the term used in this thread for "molly". Therefore, one would have to assume that this wasn't in regards to actual sassafras being used as a spice, but rather the use of sassafras albidum which is found in safrole. Are you saying the implied context was in regards to root beer or spices? Come on bro, your smarter than that, aren't you?

Secondly, do you really think I don't know how MDMA is made? Well, at least correctly anyway.........

Thirdly, I never said you would wash "all" of the safrole out of anything. Did I ever say "all"? No, I never said "all". Maybe I should have stated everything to the exact and precise little ml. for you. Plain and simple, the cleaner the pills, the less they smell. Or is that to broad for you?

Fourthly, once again I didn't expect anyone to specifically add up the exact amout of "precursors" used in the manufacturing of MDMA. Here's a big hint; I said anywhere from 10-20 different precursors. That should have given the reader, or specifically you, a tiny little glimpse to the fact that I was not being specific on the issue. Now, to be a little more precise, I was refering to the entire process of making MDA first, and then moving into MDMA, but you didn't know how MDMA was made correctly anyway, so what's the use.....

And fifthly, "Sassafras" was the actual product name written directly on the legal bottles of ecstasy sold in the mid-80's by the "Dallas Group", headed up by Michael Klaig. This was the brilliant group of scientist/businessmen who set up the marketing/manufacturing business of selling legal ecstasy to bars, nightclubs and even drugstores in the 1980's. "Sassafras" was the name written directly on the bottle. It was a little play on words, giving light to the main precursor used in the synthesis of their product.

And lastly, I don't need to use Google to look up any of this information. Why not? Because I lived through it, that's why.

Okay, you can now put your chalk down, go to the back of the class and grab your seat. Thank you. ;)

Le Junk................hum :\
 
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Le Junk said:
Sassafras balidium or safrole is a major precursor used in the production of MDMA. And yes, safrole is a highly watched item by the DEA. All of the good pills of the late 80's and early 90's wreaked of sassafras, which was always a good thing. Today, they substitute other precursors as a way around having to use safrole because of it's highly unattainable status.

Ironically, until today when I saw (I never buy or use because I support the "Just say no to drugs" program), I smelled pills that had that good ole smell of sassafras in them. Hypothetically, imagine them being green butterfly's. And yes, if one were to hypothetically ingest these butterfly's, they would be in for the ride of their lives.

So yes, the smell of sassafras is a very, very good thing. Guaranteed! ;) Consider it "old school".

later, Le Junk

P.S. And the use of your friend saying they were "amphetamine based" just proves how much of an uninformed idiot he really is. You should have bought the mollies. Sorry................

funny you should say this Le Junk because the old argument that "pills were better in the ole days" to me is true, a pill back in 1990 containing around say 125mgs+ felt a LOT different to pills now adays containing the same amount, could this be because of different pre cursers?...or dirty MDMA?...I believe this could be true, Ive had only a COUPLE of pills in the last couple of years that has the same effect as the old school ones, no monging out, just pure bliss but people say "oh youve just lost the magic". To me the pills now compared to pills of old are like chalk and cheese. Can anyone confirm this?
 
Here is some Sassafras(Sass) that I got from a festival. Im pretty sure that Sass is MDA instead of MDMA.

Sass-MDA
Molly-MDMA

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MDMA can be made with or without MDA as an intermediate.

Le Junk said:
And fifthly, "Sassafras" was the actual product name written directly on the legal bottles of ecstasy sold in the mid-80's by the "Dallas Group", headed up by Michael Klaig. This was the brilliant group of scientist/businessmen who set up the marketing/manufacturing business of selling legal ecstasy to bars, nightclubs and even drugstores in the 1980's. "Sassafras" was the name written directly on the bottle. It was a little play on words, giving light to the main precursor used in the synthesis of their product.
Not so brilliant... they got the DEA involved. Isn't that the worst business move you can make or no?
 
khamulx said:
Here is some Sassafras(Sass) that I got from a festival. Im pretty sure that Sass is MDA instead of MDMA.

Sass-MDA
Molly-MDMA

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Thats how it is around here too. Sass or sassafras is referring to powder or pressed MDA, not the sassafras plant itself. Its quite a different experience than mdma.. much more visual/trippier and lasts a bit longer too.
 
2C- said:
MDMA can be made with or without MDA as an intermediate.


Not so brilliant... they got the DEA involved. Isn't that the worst business move you can make or no?

Yes, MDMA can be made through several different routes, but it's synthesis thru MDA with safrole as it's main precursor results in the most pleasant and euphoric high. MDA to MDMA is by far the best and correct route of MDMA synthesis.

In regards to the "not so brilliant" comment, safrole was still legal at the time with no hint of it's future scheduling in sight, so putting Sassyfras on the bottle wouldn't have really been considered suspect at that time. But even in hindsight, the fact that it became illegal was simply inevitable thanks to a 70 year old man with a 70 year old's mentality, Senator Lloyd Benson of Texas would made not only the drug, but it's precursors illegal as well. I think the old school of politics thinking is that if anything makes you feel great, then make it illegal. But if there's something out there that fucks you up so bad you can't drive a car, can cause you to kill others at your expense, gives you cancer, and possible those around you, then let those drugs flourish......alcohol and tabacco. Wonderful country. 8)

Le Junk ;)
 
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Le Junk said:
Yes, MDMA can be made through several different routes, but it's synthesis thru MDA with safrole as it's main precursor results in the most pleasant and euphoric high. MDA to MDMA is by far the best and correct route of MDMA synthesis.

How does this result in a more euphoric high?

MDMA is a specific chemical, and all of these synthetic routes lead to the same end chemical. So, I fail to see how the high would be any different. It just doesn't make sense logically to me, beyond it being your preferred method and it being a placebo effect.
 
Indelibleface said:
How does this result in a more euphoric high?

MDMA is a specific chemical, and all of these synthetic routes lead to the same end chemical. So, I fail to see how the high would be any different. It just doesn't make sense logically to me, beyond it being your preferred method and it being a placebo effect.

Good point and a good find, my friend. That would be because I didn't finish my sentence correctly and left out a few key words. The sentence was suppose to end by stating that the correct route was thru MDA with the use of safrole as it's main precursor and the substitution of n-methyl alcohol would result in a much more pleasant and euphoric high. Don't ask what the substition of n-methyl alcohol was for, because I simply can't freakin' remember right now. It's somewhere during the MDA synthesis, but fuck it, you get the idea. But no placebo, I promise. ;)

Le Junk =D
 
sass around here is molly (MDMA) that has unreacted precursors in it (safrole gives off a very distinct smell). This comes from sloppy synth methods.

I believe safrole is psychoactive so it could stand to reason why 'sass' may feel different than pure MDMA.

Sorry didn't read through the entire thread (lol its six pages!) so probably somebody covered this already.
 
In my day (circa 1971 D.C burbs) MDA was almost always brown and smelled of Sassafras. Now in Atlanta, there was Capt. Marvel MDA, it was white and very pure (sometimes known at "match head"). Also, it was never dropped, always snorted. Burned like fuck, but the stuff we were getting, it did not matter, after about ten seconds and you are screaming "wow I'm so fucked up!" God only knows how many mgs. we were doing. Scale? what scale.

I was exposed at a very early age to acid and the like, might have had something to do with Owsley graduating from the a high school in my county. He kept contact with his buddies on the east coast oh boy!

Orange Wedge Yaaaaaaaaaah!
 
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As stupid as it might sound, but wouldn't be much easier to test this stuff? :\ Would the current testing kits work at all?
 
Ive wondered this for a while. ive had brownish tanner, mellower molly,reffered to as sass. ive also had white cristaline , speedier molly reffered to as fuel.
I just read that nowadays, less that 2-3% of MDMA manufacture begins with safrole. they use p2p or something like that as.the starting chem. maybe the stuff that actually begins with sassafras is more natural and does yeild a better product. there are different isomers of MDMA, and some are better than others in my oppiion. I lovred the tan sass and really dont like the white molly. Id perfer a good pressie over molly any day, but thats just me. I might bew wrong
 
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