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funboy87 said:
i was at a festival this weekend where i was sure i'd find my girl molly, but apparently she wasnt around. what was around was "sassofraz" (spelling?) what id heard about it in the past was that its very cheap, amphetamine based "ecstacy", basically junk... that pretty much describes what i paid $115 a gram for this weekend. it was a brownish powder with white rocks mixed in. i heard someone refer to it as crack molly, but all the dealers were talkin it up like it was better than actually molly (they love to think were all stupid) but wouldnt say what it actually is.... this frusterated me greatly, i shoulda just bought some G's up, but i wanted MDMA.... what *is* sass?
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I know where im from, people try to say that MDA is sass, which ive heard a couple times in California too.. but yeah, the original use is different...
 
Whole sassafras herb is still available through some online sellers, and it does indeed contain safrole while has some stimulatory properties, however safrole is not MDMA, not amphetamine or even anything close. A very low dose of safrole, such as the amount 1/4 gram of sassafras bark will produce pleasant stimulation, anything more can cause incredible dysphoria, profuse sweating, and hypertensive crisis. Safrole has been proven to be carcinogenic, and most herbalists reccomend it only for external use as an exfoliant and insect repellant.
 
delta_9 said:
yeah, so does cannabis, that dosen't mean it isn't illegal. Safrole and sassafras not certified as safrole-free have been banned in the United States as food additives or flavoring agents by the FDA since 1976 due to safrole's designation as a carcinogen. Safrole is also banned from most soaps and perfumes by the IFRA.
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Sassafras trees are perfectly legal. They're all over the place.
 
delta_9 said:
I didn't mean sassafras was "illegal" in the literal sense, but sales of sassafras and sassafras products containing safrole are highly regulated.
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Yeah sorry. That's what I thought you were saying, but the comparison to Marijuana threw me off.
 
Sassafras is literally everywhere where I live. I don't see how it could possibly be illegal. People have been making tea from it for hundreds of years.
 
^the amount of time humans have been using a plant has no bearing whatsoever on that plant's legal status. Look at psilocybe mushrooms or peyote. Humans have been using those for thousands of years, most likely much longer than sassafras(I don't care to look, but it seems probable to me), yet both are illegal today.

Broshious, my bad man, I probably should've used a better analogy, but I only meant that simply because a plant grows wild in the US that dosen't mean that plants isn't regulated.
 
safrole is carcinogenic? that means it causes cancer.

isn't mdma made with safrole?! does that mean mdma can cause cancer??? :(
 
ether_synth said:
safrole is carcinogenic? that means it causes cancer.

isn't mdma made with safrole?! does that mean mdma can cause cancer??? :(
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Yeah because it's not like it's made through a series of chemical reactions that end up with something that is not safrole at all, no. It's like baking throw some safrole in a bowl along with a few other special ingredients, put it in the oven for a few hours and BAM you've got MDMA, but watch out for that safrole it'll give you canca BITCH
 
safrole is carcinogenic? that means it causes cancer.

isn't mdma made with safrole?! does that mean mdma can cause cancer?
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MDMA is not believed to be carcinogenic. The process of turning safrole into MDMA changes it's structure in ways that prevent it from building up in the body and interfering with DNA the way safrole could.

'Carcinogenic' (cancer-causing) is a scary word, but the reality is that carcinogenic things are all over the place. When you eat a salad, you can be fairly sure you're getting some carcinogens in it. Sunlight is carcinogenic. But, the critical factor is the size of the dose (rather than simply whether a substance is carcinogenic). Even if MDMA did prove to be a little carcinogenic, it's unlikely that the exposure from occasional use would add up to any real increased risk of cancer.
 
delta_9 said:
I didn't mean sassafras was "illegal" in the literal sense, but sales of sassafras and sassafras products containing safrole are highly regulated.
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That's not very true. Harvested sassafras parts as well as sassafras oil are basically unregulated. You can go to any health food / herbalist / Asian grocer type store that carries lots of herbs and buy infinite amounts of high safrole content sassafras rootbark / leaves, or basically pure safrole in the form of sassafras essential oil. Safrole as an industrial product is regulated but the DEA seems to have absolutely no handle on the herbal distribution networks.
 
^^ This is correct, however to be fair, IME, While natural sassafras bark, leaves, seeds, etc are quite common, I've found sassafras oil can be hard to find.
 
Sassafras albidum or safrole is the major precursor used in the production of MDMA. And yes, safrole is a highly watched item by the DEA. Alot of the good pills of the late 80's and early 90's wreaked of sassafras, which wasn't always a good thing. Today, they substitute other precursors as a way around having to use safrole because of it's highly unattainable status.

FYI. The legal tabs of the 80's actually came in bottles marked Sassyfras. It was more or less a play on words as to the main precursor used in the production of said product.

Ironically, until today when I saw (I never buy or use because I support the "Just say no to drugs" program), I smelled pills that had that good ole smell of sassafras in them. Hypothetically, imagine them being green butterfly's. And yes, if one were to hypothetically ingest these butterfly's, they would be in for the ride of their lives.

So yes, the smell of sassafras is a very good thing, because it does indicate the pills were made with safrole, but also indicates they were not properly washed during the final cleaning phase. Guaranteed! ;) Consider it "old school".

later, Le Junk

P.S. And the use of your friend saying they were "amphetamine based" just proves how much of an uninformed idiot he really is. You should have bought the mollies. Sorry................
 
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Le Junk said:
So yes, the smell of sassafras is a very, very good thing. Guaranteed! ;)
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Not in my part of the world its not.

Over here it seems to be a well used trick to add some aniseed oil to the mix to give it that sassafraz smell and make people think its the shit..........they are right, it is..........Shit.

I also understand that any such smell suggests that the complete chemical reactions havent taken place...........but not being a chemist Im only passing on what i have read from various schooled people here.
 
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