San Pedro vs. Peruvian Torch

[bennyZA]

Okay... Let me preface this by saying I think there is already a thread with the same title and I did UTFSE and the articles did not answer my questions AT ALL.

All the San Pedro v. Peruvian Torch threads from all the forums and websites and Erowid all that talk about horticultural differences, sources, history. Forum members (not necessarily this one) just want to know how which is stronger, presumably to get more bang for their buck.

Please, can someone help me with anecdotal reports of the subtle and noticeable differences in the religious feelings, ability to attain ego-loss, the intensity of the experience (i.e. is it calming, speedy, does it "get on top of you") and any other pertinent differences. Yes I know that they both contain mescaline, but they both also contain many other alkaloids.

Now, for frame of reference for anyone who can help me out. I've owned a two San Pedro cactii for about 6 years now, one has been cut and let to regrow, cut and let to regrow, etc. The other has been left alone (for the most part, I talk to him, make sure he is healthy etc.) and now he is 10 ft tall from the soil and has 5 branches with dozens of new pups forming! I've even had experiences with Mescalito straight up conversations no different then if someone was right there next to me. He has also made the world look so beautiful, I've scene things and heard things that frankly LSD can't even compare too. All while feeling relaxed (I've napped on SP) and having a great body high. At this point in time, I would call it the Rolls Royce of drugs.

So, realizing that psychoactive cactii might be on the brink of total illegalization, I've decided to get two large cuttings of Peruvian Torch. One to grow and one to eat...

Considering my experiences with SP, what can I expect from PT. I really like the fact that SP was somewhat relaxing and I felt like I was rolling on pure molly for the first time, does that happen with PT? What about nausea, I've never had a problem with nausea on SP.

 

[JBrandon]

What makes you say it is "on the brink of illegalization"?

AFAIK, the way the analog laws are written in the U.S., anything containing mescaline is illegal. Ergo, all our cacti are automatically illegal - there is just minimal enforcement. This is my understanding at least.

I prefer the San Pedro. I've played with the Bridgesii, Pedro, and Torch. The generally available descriptions are pretty accurate. I tripped my absolute hardest on the Bridgesii - it was alien and weird and the most confusing of the cacti, and had the highest body load for me.

The Torch was stimulating - couldn't sleep for a long time, and lacked a bit of that MDMA feeling and relaxation that I get on the Pedro.

I recommend that you buy one of each type of cacti and grow them. It's a fun hobby, if an inefficient way to obtain drugs.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

it's been a few years since i've worked with mescaline...but i was an apprentice to the cactus for a couple of years there.. and i'm working back towards my internship :D

when i had access to both of them, i remember noting the primary difference as....SP feel more astral, as in my energy has a rising sensation and the trance feel 'flighty'.....PT had a very grounding, seething rootedness to it. while still trancey, the trance felt more grounded.

they were comparable in intensity, given according variations in dosage based on my particular specimen. ie maybe not the same dosage, but the same level of effects can be reached.

for me san pedro had a staticy, grainy kind of tone to the designs i saw in the air and sky...almost spray paint or stippling looking. and it also had a more encompassed and cozy feeling. whereas peruvian had a slightly more 'acidy' kind of teeth-gritting
eccentric sensation. it was still euphoric, but not quite as calm feeling as san pedro.

i did more work with san pedro, because it was what i purchased in bulk. so it's hard for me to reference the variation of the higher dose experience. i remember once with PT i was drinking a tea with a bunch of 'stars' i had prepared by stressing 2 rooted cuttings i was given. i figured i'd have to consume the whole cup to feel an effect, there was probably 14 inches total of cactus. i put all ~20 stars in a big coffee cup..(the one i'm using right now for tea...weird lol) and added rose hips and petals for vitamin c then poured boiling water into the cup. it sat for 20 min or so and the water got noticeably green and the stars got rehydrated.

Thinking i'd have to eat all the star and drink the liquid i star out sipping on tea and taking little nibbles on the stars. i've never minded the taste...it's bitter, but i dig it..i'm a vegan and aspiring rawfoodist though, so of course i like weird tasting green healthy stuff.

Anyways, i drink about half of the liquid, which i figure extracted only a small fraction of the total content of the stars. I also consumed 1 1/2 stars if i remember correctly.. i consumed this much through about an hour...while still planning on eating the rest i went up stairs where the light was brighter and there was what looked like fog, or smoke in the light....i could see it in the room also, but thickest at the light. it wasn't like a normal visual distortion this was very very real. lol, and it had only been 1 hour..! doesn't really match up to what the norm is on a decent dose of mescaline.

the other main images i remember from that trip was looking up through the silhouette of the tree at the sky and seeing the negative space of the sky filled in with color and the tree's image was a stained glass window...each tree had a profound image which seemed biblical, or proportionately divine. i was young at the time, so i didn't interperet the full meaning of the particular images, i was more in awe...but no doubt there was infintely specific meaning looking back, symbols.... the only other main image from that trip i remember is seeing my carpeted floor spilling onto itself...it looked like an mc escher painting(actually a reoccuring visual comparison to me for mescaline mindfuck)like the stairs leading up higher and higher and then coming back to the start...the floor literally looked higher in one part and the carpet was a goo spilling down to the lower parts, but it all kind of folded back to the start...:D intensity.

that's about as intense as it's gotten with PT for me, but if i had access to more, and i do have 1 growing, i'm sure there's a lot further one could go. the intense SP experience i've had would take a good while to explain, the visuals were intense, but moreso at a certain point of a mescaline experience the 'journeying' of your consciousness becomes something of a rollercoaster like effect. for me i can see my neuro-associations of my perception...for instance looking at a red cup, i see my brain process the image, making sense of it from scratch. Various memories and alternate neurons are connected to this experience of 'the color red'...and when i am in fulll swing with mescaline i go into loops where each piece of my perception and my experience in that moment is connected simultaneously to other memories and/or other ideas. the 'view' of this experience is you, the observer sitting back behind yourself, anything within your field of perception you 'notice' or 'apply slight focus unto' is zoomed in on, perceptually and experientally. Some of the associations would link to long memories, and it seemed as though the entirity of my development was there, connected to something through some chain. i was remembering things i hadn't since they happend....and REMEMBERING with mescaline, for myself, is to re-experience through the eyes you first did.

I can't all the way study or note how 'long' it takes each memory to play in reference to my body sitting there. some of them seem to be instantaneous, though equally thurough in their re-experiencing.

The only example i remember of how the association perception worked, was with the color red. it was on a cup, or an item in my room, and while in the mescaline hyper-consciousness i remember seeing red, and seeing a tangent visual stimulus of a flower which had the same hue...i saw them both at once, then re-experienced the fullness of being a child and for the first time in my brain fully taking in that particular hue of red....maybe i'd seen it before and not fully drawn a thorough neuro pattern regarding it's experience, or maybe it was literally the first time i saw the color. then back to the cup, and i fall back into my physical form....

On the more personal side, the sacred cacti allow me to see the spirit.
as well as see the fullness of who I am, and what the ressonancial qualities of who i am is interacting with larger energy currents...such as nature and 'universal energy flows'. i can just see where i need to be to be right, and to be where i need to be

Infinite insight, infinite potential, infinite healing....but only when used with absolute respect.

if you're going to fuck around, please don't let the cactus get pissed on in your whirlwind of mindless inebriation.

 

[dg420]

if you're going to fuck around, please don't let the cactus get pissed on in your whirlwind of mindless inebriation.

lil bit of piss wont hurt them