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Salvia x15 - Semi-exp. - trying to escape the giant lego machine, stuck ina time loop

qwe

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Drug: Salvia Divinorum x15
Dose: one "hit" of small bowl
Set: sitting at chair; alone; on BL : )
Setting: normal lazy night!

ive done salvia about 6 times total in my life. it is a very peculiar drug, and even for its frightening nature, it has a certain allure to my intellectual side, the side that wants to, basically, see itself and the universe. here are links to my previous recorded salvia experiences. timing information, salient and side effects, and other basic info are included in the first trip report (in which i unfortunately did not fully break through)

First trip: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=301292
Second trip: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=301531
Third trip: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=303081

So... i've had a small vial of salvia 15x (potency has been tested by the above trip reports as well as a couple other sessions, some alone and some with people) for quite some time. in fact, it's been sitting in my drug stash for about 3-5 years! i knew i would want to do it again, but ive been afraid of the drug. so all of my trips, alone or with people, happened when i first came across the legal wonder. the fourth breakthrough trip (this one) is the only recent salvia trip i've taken

-- the experience --

i sat down in my chair, since salvia can make you fall down and there was no sitter present (no others around). i loaded the bowl and took the hit, and blew it out the window. after that, i cannot say what happened. when i regained consciousness, i found myself under my computer desk falling, next to my chair. the irony is not lost on me

my arms were holding onto the chair, but it i didn't know i was doing so. meanwhile, i was totally tripping balls. i could see out from under the desk (towards my window), but could not make out what anything actually was

this was the least of my worries, however, because i didn't care what anything was. as with all of my other salvia journeys, i was being torn and bent and mishaped into something out of this world

for the next section i need to introduce the word "qualia"... it is what distinguishes us from, say, robots. robots can think, but they cannot actually see "red"--red is "something" somehow (our science does not yet know, unless you are a Strong AI supporter). so qualia is the pieces of our environment, and it essentially forms a projection, which our brain calculates, and that projection serves as our little worlds. (this is why drugs can distort any aspect of human behavior and cognition, and it could be why we don't all feel as one, but rather separated minds)

there are different kinds of qualia, even though there is only one type of "information" (take that, Strong AIists). one kind is "solidness"--the qualia we feel all through our skin, and some inside our body. while physically we are not separate from the universe (we are a particle dance just like any other group of particles) ontologically we have qualia as a barrier between "us" and "the world"

now i can explain what was happening. imagine the "solidness" sense of qualia being scrambled in a blender. for a hint at it, square noodles of solidness were coming out of my head. my arms were being pulled and pushed into what seemed to be lego solid-qualias. if i was totally insane, i would say that smoking salvia brought my consciousness closer to some crazy interdimensional entity. but if i was the internationalist democratic socialist scientist futurist that i am, i'd say the mind creates everything as a projection, and so any spiritual or amazing experience can be reduced;

(this implicates that, if we can master it, the universe is ours. it also unfortunately means this universe is very unforgiving. a quote i came across after this trip struck me as very beautiful and relevant: chaos is the cutting blade of order. chaos is chopping any structure to pieces; this allows pieces to reconstruct into more complex pieces if energy is supplied. but it aso means that pieces never last forever, and you could get cut at any instant, making it a dangerous and unforgiving universe for those who do not have sufficient survivability (read: technology, for humans) to defend themselves)

meanwhile, back to my trip. i was very uncomfortable. i didn't know if what i was looking at (window direction) was real or not. i didn't want to become incorporated into the giant lego machine. and the lego machine operated on a time loop--this was actually the biggest cause of my fear

every half second or so, every piece of qualia i felt would move in a certain direction or along a certain path. the machine operated in cycles. (imagine noodles coming out of the side of your head in cycles; churn, churn, churn, ). i suspect that it is possible that this is a timestep used for calculations in certain areas of the brain? wouldn't that be amazing?!

furthermore, i was unable to get up fully; i squatted there tripping balls for a couple minutes, holding onto the chair, not knowing anything's name or even picture. my field of vision was an ocean of colors, similar to what a baby might see upon being born. my brain's calculations for interpretation of visual and mental stimuli and meaning itself were apparently disrupted

the cycles, they keep happening, and there is a rather frightening component to them. noting that our "minds" (where we talk to ourselves, fantasize, etc) is at the "surface of the ice berg", but the bulk is under and much larger (thanks, freud), the following scenario was able to play out in my head:

normally, under the surface of the mind, an idea or meme or whatever you believe is part of our information network gains momentum and travels upward towards consciousness. perhaps a memory of a birthday is popping up because of something related in the environment. perhaps you want to say "yo" to someone you know, it starts under the surface of the mind when you see him and link the necessary concepts and, as the calculations happen, makes its way to the surface, at which point it influences your vocal muscles

well, the brain on salvia is not normal. the fact that there is so much more mind "under" the ocean (by which i mean, most of our cognition is done without any qualia aka without any notice by us, EG our brain regulating heart beat) means the following can occur: one portion of the brain can capture the sentence you want to say, *before* another part launches that sentence to the vocal cords

the result is the feeling of somebody knowing what you will think, before you even think it. once this happens, you get into a loop. every "cycle" of the lego machine, you try to utter words, but something seems to be rendering you incapable of normal speech; you start your sentence, then the next loop starts. the way i moved my muscles also followed this timeloop. i was thus muted and immobilized simply because i kept starting over my intended sentence and action (which was probably "help" and "get the fuck up"). it is a helpless feeling of not being able to connect to any particular spacetime/universe ( this salvia trip increased my probability-opinion of interdimensional travel being real and on earth by like 2% )

recap/sum

* held onto the salvia for 5 years before taking any cuz that drug is scary
* sat in a chair thinking i wouldn't need a sitter. sitter is needed
* noodles streaming out of one's head
* can see, but it's as if one is a baby: it's just an ocean of colors, nothing understandable
* one's body is becoming incorporated more and more each timecycle into some sort of machine, with blocks morphing with your skin and incorporating into the macine
* this machine is made of invisible legos as well as other exotic entities
* one's thoughts get into loops reminiscient of accidental computer "do loop" or "gosub" loops, as one knows what one is trying to say before one says it
* this is a drug that is either bad trip or no trip. you've gotta take the fear with it

when i was able to gain some balance, i started laughing at the absurdity of... the experience and life. i couldn't stop laughing, just like before in the trip i tried to talk but kept talking in pieces that looped back each time.

i waddled into my brothers room, trying to explain i just tripped on salvia, but with how hard i was laughing there was no way he could understand me

hope you enjoyed
qwe
 
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Wonderful, man. You've managed to pique my interest in the phial of 20x I have been storing.

As you mentioned, it has some great intellectual appeal, despite the experience itself being utterly terrifying. There is something very peculiar about this drug, it has shown me facets of my consciousness I've never realized existed, as well as shedding light on the nature of time itself. Not to get too much into depth here, but the theory of time singularity has been reinforced in my mind by my experiences.

I"m glad you have had an insightful experience man, and I hope that you integrate it all well.

Now I wonder if a hit of extract is in order? Something to meditate on.
 
Thanks for the report qwe. I think I know what you're talking about with sensing solidness external to your body. The gravity effects of salvia indicate that it powerfully affects our proprioceptive senses. These senses are responsible for, for example, our experience that our skin encases solid objects. i.e. bones. Our experiential proprioceptive map normally corresponds directly to the actual position and composition of our body, but I think this map can be stretched and scrambled and tweaked in all sorts of ways though drug use that can make it seem like we've, for instance, innervated geometrical shapes of various sizes, textures, and compositions outside of our bodies.

You should know that many people, including myself, have noticed a profound hedonic improvement when salvia is combined with dissociatives. The trip isn't really any less strange, but the strangeness is less engaging due to the psychological dissociation, so there's nowhere near the confusion or fear that normally accompanies smoking salvia. The prickly feelings disappear as well. Without the physical and anxiety effects it's much easier to focus on the mental trip.

Like you, my interest in salvia is primarily intellectual. In fact, I don't think there's another drug that fascinates me more than it. With all the new drugs that have been becoming available lately, the one I'm really hoping becomes available above all others is salvinorin B ethoxymethyl ether. It seems like just a subtle adjustment to the volatile selective kappa opiod agonist trip could send one rocketing to whole new worlds utterly unique to human experience.
 
^ mushrooms fascinate me more than salvia. salvia is crazy, but a few posts above i was asked what i integrated from it. well..... i was escaping from a giant lego machine with invisible blocks and noodles streaming out of my head coordinated to a time cycle/beat while my window looked like an ocean. what am i supposed to integrate from that?

i will be seeking psychedelics a couple times a year for philosophical purposes, but i don't think i'm going to order any more salvia for quite a while. it's a crazy ride, it gets you down there way below where other drugs get you, to where spacetime itself meets our spiritual entities. but it basically works by shocking your body, scary as shit, and hard to learn from. perhaps someday down the road i'll get the feeling "today seems like a good day for salvia"

that's how i operate with psychs. some days i just get that feeling, and have the trip, couple times a year. best way to operate with pychs imo

mushrooms i can dump plenty of baggage and get sparked up intellectually/spiritually. i can get that spark from salvia, but it's too chaotic for me to integrate anything, unless i want to speculate on the nature of spacetime and consciousness and their relation. is that what i should try to be integrating? amateur physicists would laugh at any paper i write :)

>>I think I know what you're talking about with sensing solidness external to your body>>

no because you were talking about proprioception. i am talking about the literal boundary of solidness. not movement. surprisingly, i felt no movement this particular trip. but imagine a lego outside of your body, you can't see it, but you can feel it, like phantom limb. that's what i'm talking about

basically all the noodles and shit were OUTSIDE (and inside... the noodles were streaming out of me) my body but i felt their solid structures as if they were part of my body sorta
 
My 20x experience was amazing. I took a pretty large bong rip at my friend's house, and in about 10 seconds, the room I was in took on the aspect of a freakish, insane carnival flying through space. The walls started folding outwards, and it seemed like there was a strange "line of symmetry" in the room, upon which all the folding and bending was occuring.

This "line of symmetry" consisted of my arms, my laptop, the music coming out of my laptop, the lower part of my face, and a glass dish full of cannabis on the other side of the room.

At the peak of my experience (about +0:03), I began moving my arms up and down for about 10 minutes straight. My friends had no clue what I was doing, but in my experience, it was like I was seeing "both sides" of the room I was in. When I looked under the "line of symmetry" that was my arms, I would see the room I was in bending and folding and contorting very intensely and rapidly. However, when I looked above my little "line of symmetry", everything would be contorting in the opposite direction.

Furthermore, it felt as if there was an entity in the forward-left corner of the room. After smoking my bowl, every time I reached toward that corner to grab a ps3 controller, my arm and hand would start vibrating so violently that I would be forced to withdraw it. It was literally as though there was an invisible solid in that corner which was emnating such power that I could not get close to it without being forcibly pushed away, like opposing magnetic forces.

This experience renewed my interest in salvia. I was pretty against it beforehand, as I had had three experiences before this one, and none of them were very fulfilling.

One thing I find very interesting about this substance is that it seems to incorporate one's body into the trip in a way that only salvia can.
 
Brilliant trip report, qwe. It makes me want to try salvia for myself, while at the same time I now feel more prepared, thanks to this report.

Just one thing made me laugh:

* noodles streaming out of one's head

I still sometimes boggle at the absurdity of the things that are discussed on this forum on a regular basis ;) Awesome.
 
don't laugh, it actually sorta hurt in a way (the noodles coming out of me)

:) not pain, but discomfort

it would hurt each time-cycle, each time they moved

this universe has a lot more than meets any techno equipment we've come up with
 
Good report!

yeah, salvia deserves respect, i've also held onto it for years and years, afraid to take it because it was so intense when I did it back in college.
 
>>I think I know what you're talking about with sensing solidness external to your body>>

no because you were talking about proprioception. i am talking about the literal boundary of solidness. not movement. surprisingly, i felt no movement this particular trip. but imagine a lego outside of your body, you can't see it, but you can feel it, like phantom limb. that's what i'm talking about

basically all the noodles and shit were OUTSIDE (and inside... the noodles were streaming out of me) my body but i felt their solid structures as if they were part of my body sorta
Proprioception involves our perception of the position of our limbs in space, independently of movement. That is, if you have normal proprioceptive acuity and were blind folded and had novocaine injected into your arm so you couldn't feel it, then an experimenter moved your arm to a position of 45 degrees relative to your body and used another drug that didn't numb your arm but froze it in position, when the novicaine wore off you'd still be able to say "I sense that my arm is outstretched at a position of 45 degrees relative to my torso and my fist is clenched." That's what I mean by "proprioceptive map". It's an interoceptive sense of our body, and if these interoceptive maps are stretched and tweaked enough the map of, say, your fist, could come to feel like a cube shaped object composed of water across the room instead of a fist shaped object composed of muscle and bone at the end of your arm. Or am I misunderstanding something?
 
You should know that many people, including myself, have noticed a profound hedonic improvement when salvia is combined with dissociatives. The trip isn't really any less strange, but the strangeness is less engaging due to the psychological dissociation, so there's nowhere near the confusion or fear that normally accompanies smoking salvia. The prickly feelings disappear as well. Without the physical and anxiety effects it's much easier to focus on the mental trip.


Brilliant.

This will change my relationship with Salvia in ways I can't even begin to imagine.
 
chaos being the cutting blade of order implies that technology itself actually is the fear.

(and the fear is freedom)

tis a beautiful quote indeed
 
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i get ya psoodo

@ azzazza, a light went out in my brain hold on..

you brought a few more dimensions to that quote, i'll get back to the thread on that :)
 
* one's body is becoming incorporated more and more each timecycle into some sort of machine, with blocks morphing with your skin and incorporating into the machine

This reminds me of a time when I was fairly new to the use of Salvia and I became completely involved, "incorporated" as you put it, into the morphing environment. The looping thought in my mind was "Oh My God This Is Totally Fucked" and each letter of the phrase would make for each cycle, one after the other. The visual, and seemingly physical, trip would geometrically transform into the "O", break down and turn into the "H", than the "M", "Y" and so forth as though I had become my surroundings and my surroundings had become my thoughts.. extreeemely difficult to describe.. Great report, I liked how you theorized said elements of the trip.
 
You should know that many people, including myself, have noticed a profound hedonic improvement when salvia is combined with dissociatives.

Do you know of any reports that I could read on this? It sounds quite interesting.

A very nice report. I love talking about salvia, trying to break down the experience and put it into words. I was sitting reading this last night when I was on nutmeg and extremely hungover/coming down/high, I learned a lot from it and started thinking a lot about the psychedelic experience. Now though, I can't remember much of it, but it was lovely so thank you!

It is interesting in terms of intellectual inquiry. It also helps you appreciate sobriety, or the levels of control we have over ourselves, in that after the experience I feel very refreshed and new. Salvia is certainly a good tool for mental calibration.

Edit : All your reports are fascinating, you go into a lot of depth and actually try to come to terms with what has happened.
 
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^Maybe try the advanced search option on Erowid for reports. It's always a post mentioning it or agreeing with another that mentions it here and there that I come across. My experience is fairly limited but it's also highly distinct. Dissociatives block signals from the body. The combo got rid of the prickly feelings for me, and I know body sensations like those can feed back into anxious emotional reactions and compound on them in a big way.
 
i feel that salvia opens up human potential (possibly activating DNA code) because we have some of the most advanced technology in the universe and its the human brain and our inter-dimensional galactic DNA. Our true nature is multidimensional but we only wish to tune into a dense 3d reality.

The brain is way much more than it's biological and chemical processes. The Human brain on a metaphysical level is a basically a quantum computer.

On Salvia one gets to experience this quantum state and creator-ship of whatever dimensional reality Salvia seems to open one up to. I remember on the salvia journey about how powerful one's thoughts are. Salvia literally makes you experience the realness of plain old silly thoughts we take for granted. If only you saw the true reality of how powerful thought can be and the effect it has on your direct environment.

Depending on what state of consciousness (& awareness level) one is tuned to before the Salvia trip...that decides what they experience. I feel it is best to calm ones mind and meditate before using it.

I'm sure that if one were focused into an mental & intellectual state ...then they would experience the realness of those realities. If one were tuned into higher states of consciousness ( Universal, Galactic, or Cosmic Christ Consciousness) then that's what they would experience

It's been awhile since I've used Salvia but i still get flash backs and still integrating it into my life. I've seen it as an Inter-dimensional quantum "process" and have tried to articulate it intellectually many times but the experience still can not be expressed in words, one must experience it.

sometimes i still see that tear in reality "space"... i know my reality is a projection from the inner universe. I know how powerful thought can be and even something as silly as fear...can effect one's life. Salvia merely shows you how this inner quantum computing works and the realities you create on a moment to moment basis....in a way that is so alien to daily life.

if there is a next time for salvia i would definitely clear and calm my mind while tuning my awareness beyond any mundane human thing...i would look to the cosmos and let it rip into a spiral with a fat puff of smoke. %)
 
hey my salvia trip was bumped

i'll try to put a little more in words that i didn't

i realized the universe was not right, and was sorta sinking/moving further and further through a crazy reality-morph-machine. it's a very doomed/trapped feeling. thoughts just looped from the begining once i *sorta* came to and was on the floor, but they weren't normal thoughts.

when i was able to cognate, i had a feeling of "jesus christ woah". which should always happen after a trip

the reality machine, btw, is mostly orange

re reading the report, i think my mind was pretty out there and all over the place lol
 
i wonder how far people have gone on salvia. i bet 80x would be something like a near death experience 8o
 
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