Salvia Trip - Commonalities?! :s

[Jack Torrance]

There seem to be a LOT of common themes with Salvia, which I find very strange. I would love to find out why that is. In fact I didn't realize other people had similar experiences to me (couldn't even has perceived such a thing, with how abstract some of it is) but turns out they do. Here are some common Salvia themes for me (and a few I've heard are common for others):

1) Trains (I've called my "shapes" trains for no apparent reason many-a-time, and my first trip I hallucinated I was in a train tunnel being sliced up perpendicular to where the arches were)
2) Objects in your view forming lines on one large shape(s) (and if you're like me, giving that shape a nonsencial name, I shout mine out to friends: "OH NO I'M GOING OFF WITH THE CYANKYALS!")
3) A tunnel-like effect which forms around you
4) Flipbook effect
5) A conveyor belt leading to some sort of grinder/trash compactor machine
6) Cogs/gears
7) Tiles
8) Being on stage with an audience

And this is something I thought I was DEFINITELY alone with... But for me, the shape of a hammer really reminds me of Salvia... Mostly the head but also the handle. I posted it on 420chan expecting to be called nuts, then other guys were saying they saw hammers during a Salvia trip, shouted stuff about hammers out loud, or that they also got the same feelings from hammers. Also the number 4 and the letter Q.

Anyone else feel a "familiarity" when they see that shape?

Maybe you guys could comment on the above things, or tell us about really strange abstract things you think nobody else has experienced/associated with Salvia.

 

[RobotRipping]

never saw a hammer but definitely experience the conveyor belt so many times. And the tunnle thing, i always thought of it as being sucked into the vortex. Salvia is a very strange drug.

 

[drfist]

I always get a feeling of a parrot being present. probabably in the same way you associate it with hammers. except with parrots. green fire and a general atmosphere of jungles and drums in thr dark also.
I do understand the conveyor belt/train bit. but to me it always felt more organic. running through/underneath canopy/big leaves.

 

[Foreigner]

For me, the common imagery with salvia was serpents, reptilian looking things, water, and strangely hieroglyphic shapes. Haven't done it in a while though. It's not a high I really enjoy.

 

[Mootoo]

I don't think I can 'relate' to the hammer at all (which I assume is a symbol?) - I typically can't describe the experiences in concrete terms, but most others on that list did seem somewhat familiar. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=92791 was the best I could relate a Salvia trip... do you think your descriptions possibly correlate to anything there?

 

[cornerstone430]

yeah a real heady feeling and that feeling of watching a conveyor belt definitely for sure. Ive only had chance to grab hold of one gram of salvia though and everyone reacts different to it. My friend said it felt like he was trapped under sand and couldnt move . While myself felt a mj high but really heady and floaty in its own way.

 

[Ineffable14]

Wow, Laughed while reading this for the stark similarities between your experiences and mine.
Literally every single one of the effects/feelings listed, I have felt while in a salvia breakthrough.

Being ripped apart and put together, feeling as though your pages in a book being flipped through, instantly forgetting who or what I am, feeling of being a gear turning in a machine, very powerful feeling of turbulence

I love the thread man, we've got to map these commonalities in our effort to understand the human consciousness.

 

[GreenTea&lsd]

definitely experienced several of those themes in the single experience i had with salvia.

Smoked it in my car (keys had been handed off to sober trip sitter) after four solid bong rips (later told i did 5) my steering wheel turned into a conveyer belt assembly line thing, had a head trip that i was being assembled into a predestined existence similar to an ant or bee being a worker/drone/etc.
Looked at my friend in the seat next to me and he at one point looked as if multiple mirror images of his torso had been affixed to the teeth of a gear which was affixed by it center point/axle to the base of the seat and cycled rapidly counterclockwise/forward into the seat and out of the backrest.
another thing that occurred that i found interesting was the area between us coalesced into rolling farmlands and where he was sitting was a farm and a large silo, he was the silo. His face was just there on the silo kinda like in the thomas the tank engine show.

so thats
assembly line/conveyer belt
cogs/gears

also experienced
tunnel
objects forming lines
those two kind of went in conjunction with the conveyer belt

i have also heard of friends looking at a certain fabric/texture and then everything bearing a resemblance or completely being made of said fabric/texture

 

[[éS]Infinite]

Here's a thread from 2008. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/392699-Salvia-The-Conveyor-Belt-amp-Other-Common-Themes
I had the experience of feeling my body being sucked into an overwhelming bright light, as well as the hallucination that I was in a clock, and every beat of my heart would make the seconds hand tick, taking me with it leaving me sideways, upside down, sideways again, and finally right side up at which point I returned to reality.
During a more mild experience, I simply had the feeling of being outside of a skyscraper in New York (somewhere I have never been).

 

[bluedolphin]

Yes a lot of common and powerful themes with Salvia.

For me: Being a cog in a machine, being part of some other organic other dimensional tesselation, feelings of gravity, flipping book / flipping through dimensions, being on some kind of elevator / escalator (which traveled through dimensions lol), and the presence of an entity.

To me the Salvia experience is more real that any other drug I've done. Heck, I've smoked Salvia and DMT at the same time and the DMT hit normally, then guess what the Salvia did.... turned the DMT experience into pages of a book and folded the DMT "reality" up like origami. Based on that it was clear to me which reveals a deeper and more real view at the nature of surreality.

What reality it reveals, I couldn't tell you. It seemed to always force your view from another perspective, and show multiple dimensions. It seems like there must be some part of your mind responsible for making the world around us "normal reality" which is affected by Salvia-- and then our mind tries to cope with this in whatever ways it can.

Really a shame Salvia is illegal now. I always felt it was the kind of teacher which only had good intentions. Not to mention a nice antidepressant in lower doses.

To me stuff like MDMA research is fairly boring. How about some Salvia research... or are we too afraid to question the basic premise of our taken for granted reality?

 

[MrSqueej]

i have experienced those things listed. The one time i did it and really broke through i felt as though my entire life was a bit like the truman show and it was being revealed in that moment. Truly everything was a facade. I was also so dissasociated that it took a long while to realize i had taken a drug. I was being catapulted through the ground/made up of other people and my self and every one was in these half black//half brown suits that covered our bodies. don't know if anyone ever experience that. I truly shudder to think about this experience. Also, weirdly enough despite its ludicrous intensity and my inability to come to grips with what was going, language was still kind of there. I kept yelling 'WHAT THE FUCK' and asking the people to tell me what the fuck was going on. Oh and repeatedly said 'THAT IS DISGUSTING!' and yelled about how disgusting the events were/how i fell. I found this guys post described it very accurately: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-511210.html particularily the bendy creature thing, objects being people and the giant mechanical goddess part. hopefully one day i can do that drug and really feel good about it. hope that helps.

 

[Jackeh]

How much Salvia did you smoke (or what was the concentration) to get those effects? Sadly, I've only smoke a gram of 5x and the most I got was a waving in the side of my vision.

 

[1394]

When I smoke, my field of vision becomes the world of salvia. Objects stretch, my body stretches and everything becomes eh... different.

"hieroglyphic shapes" seen a lot of them, my trips generally involve a strange "communication" with Salvia.

I always hear voices in my head or my internal monologue repeats itself until it is unrecognizable.

I really like Salvia, yet I seem to get headaches after I smoke.

 

[EntheoDjinn]

............ Really a shame Salvia is illegal now. ...........

Certainly not illegal here in the UK. The UK Government decided it was not likely to become a "substance liable to be abused" (one of their not-so-common conclusions about a substance that definitely challenges a user's perspectives on reality!) and left it alone.

Not much being said about it though - I suspect most people find it quite a difficult experience and stick to the less challenging (and more enjoyable in some ways) experiences.

A few years ago there were a number of themes being discussed - one of the most common seemed to be a sort of 'ferris wheel' rolling motion. This sounds similar to the conveyor belt perception except the feeling seemed to be that rather than watching the motion you were actually moving as if on it. At least that was my experience.

Nice to see a re-emergence of interest in Salvia. Personally I feel it has great potential.

And to still to Bluedolphin ".....Not to mention a nice antidepressant in lower doses". I've found that a serious 45 minute breakthrough tincture dose leaves me with a subtle sense of increased well-being for at least two months (I don't have a depressive base-line, but I still notice on quiet reflection a very positive effect). A friend of mine described his experience as "... noticing I felt more socially competent when interacting with strangers". Hence my beliefs that it has as yet mainly unrecognised positive properties. Nice to see that you've experienced very positive properties Bluedolphin :D

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[RhythmSpring]

I as well experience strong anti-depressant effects from Salvia.

Also, Salvia is still legal in most of the US. Bluedolphin, where do you live?

Heck, I've smoked Salvia and DMT at the same time and the DMT hit normally, then guess what the Salvia did.... turned the DMT experience into pages of a book and folded the DMT "reality" up like origami. Based on that it was clear to me which reveals a deeper and more real view at the nature of surreality.

WOW.

 

[phenethylo J]

On most of my salvia experiences I get this sweet sensation on my skin. The best way I can describe it is I it feels like I am tasting taffy with my skin. I wonder if it has something to do with the fact I had eaten some taffy like candy right before my first salvia experience which was a full on break through that turned me into a traffic light.

To me the Salvia experience is more real that any other drug I've done. Heck, I've smoked Salvia and DMT at the same time and the DMT hit normally, then guess what the Salvia did.... turned the DMT experience into pages of a book and folded the DMT "reality" up like origami. Based on that it was clear to me which reveals a deeper and more real view at the nature of surreality.

I would love to mix dmt+salvia that is a combo I always wanted to try. Once I took a few huge hits of salvia then inhaled a bunch of nitrous right after while peaking on mdma. I got transported to the floor of dark a rain forest. I smoked allot of salvia while on the mdma that night and they went great together. The combo of just the mdma+salvia felt allot like a 2cx trip in many ways.

 

[psood0nym]

What reality it reveals, I couldn't tell you. It seemed to always force your view from another perspective, and show multiple dimensions. It seems like there must be some part of your mind responsible for making the world around us "normal reality" which is affected by Salvia-- and then our mind tries to cope with this in whatever ways it can.

Really a shame Salvia is illegal now. I always felt it was the kind of teacher which only had good intentions. Not to mention a nice antidepressant in lower doses.

To me stuff like MDMA research is fairly boring. How about some Salvia research... or are we too afraid to question the basic premise of our taken for granted reality?

Heh, I don't know how you'd approach salvia research in earnest, let alone profit from it as research institutions are looking to do. It's just such an odd ball tossed from the left field of consciousness -- so hard to control for or standardize. That is salvia's great virtue, though: its all-dominating uber-outre wtf-ness.

My theories about what's going on with salvia's common themes haven't changed much since that 2008 thread linked to above, but I haven't used salvia since then either... I keep waiting for an opportunity to use a dissociative with salvia in an experimental environment. The idea of taking small exploratory hits and just meandering about the threshold of a breakthrough for a few hours while in a dissociated state still strikes me as potentially revelatory.

 

[BIGsherm7272]

I too have been on the conveyor belt, it seemed rather sinister, I eventually crawled up a huge mountain to get back on my brothers bed, and looked back down to see the pits of hell. A rather crazy experience.

 

[naughtynicknails]

Here's a thread from 2008. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/392699-Salvia-The-Conveyor-Belt-amp-Other-Common-Themes
I had the experience of feeling my body being sucked into an overwhelming bright light, as well as the hallucination that I was in a clock, and every beat of my heart would make the seconds hand tick, taking me with it leaving me sideways, upside down, sideways again, and finally right side up at which point I returned to reality.
During a more mild experience, I simply had the feeling of being outside of a skyscraper in New York (somewhere I have never been).

you found my old thread xD (old account)

 

[lysergication]

I think that what salvia does is completely annihilate the memory for only a minute instant. And what we take for the "effects" of the salvia is the memory coming back. Hence, the feeling of a "realer" reality during the experience (because the everyday reality is possible only due to our memory and isn't real outside of it), the sense that everything is "made up" (which is memory linking all things together to form what we take to be everyday reality), feeling like being something/someone else (because to feel like ourselves - normal, that is - we need the memory too), feeling like being trapped in eternity (because to feel like time is passing, memory is needed too), not knowing where/when are we, ...

Everybody is having the same experience when enough salvia is taken, it's just that we don't have the words to describe it (and there will never be the words) and that the words cannot convey this experience of non-existence. So we try to describe what's happening when memory is coming back (and this reality with it) more than the salvia experience itself (because we can't remember having no memory/non-existence) and this is where all the common themes are coming from, IMO.