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Salvia ~ semi-exp'd ~ ReTrOsPeCtIvE

Hypnic_JerK

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This trip report is the trip salvia has been for me. Because it spans a couple years, the form is going to be a little different than usual- please forgive me!

I am writing this and the 2c-b-fly report because they offer the background to my upcoming DOC report, which may be interesting to a couple people who take my posts seriously :) Please note that to fully explain these trips I would have to write at least 50 pages, so I’m going to keep it short and sparse.


Inexpierenced 2002
Salvia started for me sometime in highschool, maybe in the year 2002. I tried unextracted leaf out of a waterfall bong while staying with my friend in Virgina during the summer. I smoked about 2 grams in one hit from a 3 liter bottle, and was rewarded with a sense of foreboding and a strong dose of jamais vu.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu#Related_phenomena)

During the fall season of that year I had my first real breakthrough. It remains the strongest experience of any kind I’ve had to date. I sat in the forest behind my house, in front of a pile of wood destined to be burned. I packed a bongload of 10x, torched it with a torch, and smoked it all into the chamber of the bong without hitting it. I then repacked the bowl, and smoked all that clearing the whole double dose in one hit.

First thing that happened was the lighter broke; I realized that I may just have been too fucked to operate it properly. The next thing, all the branches in front of me opened into a fan shape, and the ends of the sticks all grew either a hand or an eye. I was still conscious enough to make a mental note that this drug had spectacular visuals.

Next I was flying towards the back of my head, from the direction of the sun. I entered my brain and began paging through my memories, having no clue who I was. At the same time I was freaking out because I didn’t know how to interface with this reality properly and it felt permanent. I found memories of reading TR’s on erowid and wondered why those sick fucks would play such a cruel joke on the world. Surely people wouldn’t choose to do this ;)

Over the next six months I relearned my personality and tastes. It was a fucked up time. Re-learning to write was a really interesting experience. However, I just came back to exactly who I was, I wasn’t different in any way. For about a year after the experience I had unusual reactions to drugs, noticeably they lacked euphoria. Alcohol and opiates didn’t make me feel pleasure and pot just made me stupid. And really I never get too fucked up anymore. I’m happy to be drunk and puking uncontrollably, I’m fine with a panic attack pot overdose, I can’t trip hard enough even when it takes me through hell.



Semi exp’d 2005

Freshman year in college my friends and I got into salvia for a while. We’d take turns laying in bed and smoking, sometimes doing it 20 times in a night. I’m not sure why and I can’t really remember it, despite the fact that we did many times over a couple weeks. One time I spoke to the bricks in my wall and freaked out my friends. Another time I saw the dimensional matrix and how everyone’s perceptions and thought processes put the on a slightly different dimension.

One development that came out of this time is how my friends and I realized that salvia will reveal the true nature of a drug to you if you’re high on that drug, smoke salvia, and come down. It’ll teach you about alcohol and pot, if you take the time to notice.



Semi exp’d 2006

This year I really got into salvia for a while, smoking it throughout the day for weeks on end. I would smoke standardized extracts for this kind of use, they’re much more pleasant, at times tasting like a freshly toasted marshmallow.

First I’d get fucked up on 20x standardized, and just notice reality tearing open on shit. Sometimes I’d hear voices talking to me. I started to notice that as reality gets torn open, something in your brain unzips. Then little creatures I call “tenders” or maybe u call them elves work to patch me back up. The best trip I had to see them was when I smoked just the right amount to break through- My consciousness was a flesh pyramid that poked up through the sand of a desert, then the fleshy outside bloomed and inside were neon wires and shit. A tender came over, pulled the fleshy outside back over my exposed whatever, and put sand back over the top of me as I receded. This process was neutral, and even though the tender was just a worker without any personality itself, it was quite majestic to see it up close.

Anyway during this period I developed my own theory of consciousness. I am just a grain of sand, and like a pearl I coat myself with layers of beliefs and thought. These are what create my dimension in the matrix of human perceptions, and prevent me from fully knowing anything or anyone. For me to really communicate with someone I have to hope my layers integrate with theirs perfectly. The pearl is layered like an onion, and the layers closest to the center are the most powerful and reality distorting. The closest layer is the layer of conscious though/inner dialogue that I have running in my head all the time. You have it too, its just the most noticeable layer of thought.


All this came to me pretty much directly through salvia. I started to notice that I heard the voices better when I wasn’t thinking those worthless chatterthoughts. (I was able to do this by focusing on my surroundings after I took the hit and looking for what would tear open- nothing tears if I look for it) So I would try and stop thinking like that, and then the tenders talk to me. The sound of the waves outside my window, the sound of the refrigerator running, or water flowing through pipes in the walls becomes the carrier for the tender's speech. I couldn’t really grasp what they were saying or anything until I started to trip with my eyes closed.

Then it became pretty easy. I am still thinking on another, deeper, layer, and the tenders can understand those thoughts pretty well. I tried asking them a question, namely, what is the meaning of life. Due to the nature of reality (if u know u know, explanations are worthless) they just punched me in the brain for asking such a stupid question. I had a couple of my friends try this too and they got the same result. This old hippie dude that runs one of the biggest online headshops tried it as well and got the same result. Its pretty funny to me now.

I couldn’t think of any more good questions to ask (I have now, some really fucking good ones, but I haven’t asked yet) so I just tried smoking bigger dosages. The bigger dosages had me falling through the layers of thought, and the further I fell the more the voices consolidated into one voice. The voice is just slightly feminine, and obviously a construct. I really don’t get people who think lady salvia is really a female, I mean what she has tits and can fuck? Please. Not human.

Anyway, if I smoke enough I just rocket through the pearl, and bust through the sandy exterior to an inside-out dome/cavern where I can just talk but am often overwhelmed. And you see, this world appears to be part of the true reality behind our atom-powered god dream of a world.

And this became terrifying to me, and through this experiment the real world started meaning less and less to me. I don’t know if I could successfully integrate the answers to my questions with the real world, especially not as a student with responsibilities. I feel this kind of exploration is best left to forest dwelling ascetics, or maybe myself when I have my life under better control, as I do feel like a mystic wanderer.
The voices started asking me why I kept coming back. I didn’t know at the time so I quit.

And here is a picture of exactly what entering that inside out dome was like. Note how the dude is all crouched down and half stuck and grasping for something he can’t reach. It takes a mind much more at peace than mine to really float out there with peaceful intent and austerity…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flammarion.jpg

Please keep in mind this is a trip report of my experiences with salvia, not an experience with salvia.
Later, friends!
 
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how bittersweet to know the reality underpinning our current construct yet when getting there your asked by those who inhabit said realm, "why do you bother".

I really enjoyed what you had to say
 
well u see that we're the lucky soul matter which gets to play "humans" so really thats the point of it and we only get a little while in the game and then its back to the cosmos. Thats why it wanted to know why I kept coming back early after I sort of understood.

Now some answers are related to better understanding the game... but I need to eliminate fear from my soul before I want to go back, and sloth also needs to go. Thank God my problems aren't with greed and anger or knowledge, I think they'd be much harder to overcome! And maybe they come after fear and sloth... goddamnit!

Keep in mind all of the above came pretty much directly out of a salvia state so really I have no idea how much it really deals with the real world. I'm always worried that theres just a chemical spot in our brain that deals with a sense of whats real, and if salvia hits that along with some visual center or something, well then I've just bought a drug's illusion!

Glad u enjoy'd this, that makes it worth typing :)
 
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Well you see I feel the questions I've gained are like a power now, and you can figure the questions out too if you'd like to smoke some, just follow my method of 1st, smoke until you tear consistently, 2nd, look and wait for the unzip/tearing with ferocity and intent, 3rd, start medititing when you do, 4th close your eyes.

However that is the test and I've already done 30% of the work for you if I just gave away my questions I think it would hurt u even if u never plan to try it. Sorry If I sound like some sort of asshole, but I've been one my whole life and really I'm pretty deluded with all the drugs i been taking. :)

Yeah I've tried salvia with dxm, 2ce, doc, 2ci, nitrous, and others. Nitrous was the least remarkable and the most "fun". The others I dont want to remark on at this time, as they all just blew me away and I dont have any sort of understanding, that comes with time.


Edit: I posted on that other thread, and I can explain a lot of this, but really theres no way to do it without being a preachy asshole pushing my own philosophy. So be it, I guess. However, I may wait a long ass time to do this, becuase right now my understanding is really fucking limited. U see, I am back crunched down on my belly struggling half in and half out of the other world. There was a time when salvia twisted my reality and gave me the choice to step through to heaven/+4/permanent psychosis. I pulled myself through, then thought of my family and the things in this world I love, and thrust myself out. (errouniously believeing that I was choosing to physically die, and subject to my fears) Wheras I was half in half out before, I threw myself all the way out and fell away from the gateway. That may be why I kept getting asked why I came. This is all coming back to me righ now, even though I remember writing it in a journal. I reamember it actually hurt the salvia lady construct, but we made amends. (thx randy newmann lol) I just never went back to the gateway, dont know if I can. And I had some sort of reaction to that story... later
 
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I also enjoyed what you had to say, though I found it to be lacking detail. I understand this, however, as the strongest psychedelic experiences always defy words. My one comment is when you don't understand how the salvia spirit could be considered a female because she's not human. Well, non-human animals certainly are either male or female, and having known many animals, I can say with confidence that even though they don't fit our human idea of being female, they most certainly are. Personally, I've never broken through with salvia enough to determine anything about it. However, there are many reports of salvia users who have encountered a decidedly female spirit, and several who have claimed to have had some sort of spiritual sexual encounter with her.

My point is, male and female is an idealogical construct and is not merely tied to physical/sexual function.
 
yeah in this case I'd definately have to say that salvia's femininity is just a construct. As for people having sexual encounters, hell I've had sexual encounters with all sorts of shit- and a lot of it wasn't female. lol

But from my experience, and I know for sure people have gone much farther than me and seen a lot more, the shit you encounter in salvia is about as female as a female voice on a robot.
 
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