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Salvia+Mental Disorder=???

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Foshizzle45

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Basically, I'm a pretty messed up dude, but I'm not stupid to say the least. I have had several extremely traumatizing experiences which has created severe social anxiety and caused serious panic attacks, which causes me to lash out in rage. I medicate constantly with bud and take 1-2mg of Xanax daily. I also smoke Salvia on a regular bases. I would say, that due to my anger and constant stress, I am not able to have a trip. I have done almost everything possible from A-Z, I set up the correct surroundings and made sure I had a sitter every time I planned on breaking-through. Also I smoke Standardized Salvia extract 30x from a very reputable website, so it's real for sure. (I also have 50x and 60x, I just haven't decided to use them yet)

My Trip consists of a very intense come on, as all Salvia trips are, and then I feel like someone is taking 2 jumper cables and shocking the living hell out of my legs several times a second. Which then I eventually Black-Out and the last time I did it, I thought I was having a conversation with my sitter about me not being able to trip, but then I snapped out of the trip sweating as usual, and I come to find out that my sitter had never said one word to me at all, but somehow I felt like the entire conversation was true, and that my sitter was lying to me. I consider this to be an unpleasant trip because of how I didn't do anything that blew my mind, other then the fact that I was able to conjure up a tea party like conversation with a person watching me trip.

I have been told that I have Bi-Polar disorder by the mental hospitals that I was sent to prior to this. I want to be able to experience this even though that I am not mentally in-line. Please someone give me some kind of insight on how I could finally have a trip that I could gain some kind of knowledge from. Even if I become an object, I would consider that a good trip.

The trip I explained is probably on the lighter side of the trips i have had, If i could I would explain my terrifying ones, but it is difficult to even try to translate them into words without it sounding like a nut-job.
 
Many people find Salvia is a poor substance for producing "trips" as such... it's simply too hard to control the dose and you either don't trip, or black out.

Salvia is not known for its comfortability - many people find they don't actually derive any pleasant effects from it, it just makes them unpleasantly fucked up.

A way "around" this is trying to lower the potency of your material, by either using a lower extractive leaf (less than 20x) (ed. note. you can get around this by using an accurate scale... 10mg accuracy or so, and titrating your dose) or, the best method, by using oral tinctures/leaf "quid". Oral experiences are reported to come on much "slower" and be less overwhelming throughout. They are also easier to "control" dose-wise because there is no flame involved to destroy an unknown amount of salvinorin.

You're perfectly fine and normal, having a bad experience on salvia is a very, very common thing. The people who truly enjoy salvia are a small minority I would say.
 
what you explain sound exactly like many of my salvia trips. I usually get those specific effects at high doses though, lower your dose and it will be more psychedelic. If you are blacking out then you took too much.
 
I think its your expectations...What exactly are you thinking o good trip is?

Also I think psychedelics are a TERRIBLE thing for someone with a diagnosed mental condition. Could trigger a psychotic episode.

All that being said, Salvia is a merciless plant teacher. she has much to teach you, loose your expectations and listen to her.
I personally think your using the wrong herb for what your trying to achieve.
 
Not sure if I can give any novel advice here but I agree that Salvia is a very tricky drug to try and 'work with', unless you consider getting hit by a steamroller a cooperation.
Actually the too much vs. too little effect as a complaint from Salvia is typically from an inconsistent method of smoking and measuring doses by estimation. Instead it should be weighed like any other drug and the dose needs to be slowly built up until effects are noticed. You should be able to tell what kind of order of magnitude the dose is of the Salvinorin you are ingesting at that level otherwise you are approaching it too randomly.
Apparently the herb appearance convinces few people that it should be treated carefully as if it were a potent powder. It must be the overabundance of mild herbs like damiana that are not easy to overdose on and are certainly not as extreme.

Using the careful approach I described I was able to achieve a meditative state from salvia but I was not compelled to investigate further potential as a teacher. I find mushrooms to be too irrational, symbolic and unclear sometimes - shrooms can be a good teacher but also unpredictable and not as explicit as you might want your lesson. Other times you certainly feel the general idea of the lesson because your soul feels punched in the face by it.

I recommend against continuation with salvia, and believe me that although I don't suffer from any mental disorder or dysfunction other than low latent inhibition and being semi-permanently psychedelicized... I know about trying to 'treat' traumatic experiences with psychedelics which can unreliably add to the trauma or help with it which is dangerous until you get beyond all of that. I think some people who try to go in that direction eventually fall off the deep end and others find the light inside themselves that guides them back.
It's territory that can do all kinds of things to your life. If you have a mental disorder this is something that should tell you that you are way too close to something bad happening to self-medicate the situation this way.

If you absolutely must... still abstain from wild and fucked up dissociative or atypical psychedelics such as salvia and instead go on the hunt for some mild psychedelics that may not prove to be spiritual teachers in their own character but they should still have potential to be helpful and you can "work with" them therapeutically at better face value instead of random chaotic explosions of altered consciousness.

Use the psychedelic experience and the "The most ... psychedelic" thread list to seek out compounds that are deemed gentle.

Summing up a little: with a disorder you definitely ought to stay away from psychedelics but since we are trying to reduce harm and not repress the intentions expressed by BLers, if you really must then stick with the gentle ones. If they have something to show you, they would do that more subtly and in a more gentle way. If mild psychedelics get you riled up, that is the immediate sign to abandon what you are doing. Also try to search for any answers inside of yourself and inside of the questions themselves and not in any lessons thrown in your lap from outside means.
 
I dunno guys, yeah salvia is a fucked up drug and his experiences with it are totally consistent with expected salvia trips, it still might not be a good idea for him to try to trip given that he's been diagnosed with bipolar disorder by mental health professionals. At the very least, start with low doses and titrate your way up very slowly to ensure your mental stability throughout these trips if you absolutely insist on going this route.

I would do some googling the contraindications of psychedelic use and latent mental disorders before deciding to go for this.
 
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