Salvia Leaf Help.

[Dysphoric]

I just recently bought 2 ounces of Salvia leaves. Any one here know exactly how much will need to be smoked in order to feel subtle effects from experience? They say a gram of plain Salvia leaf contains about 2.5mg of salvinorin A. I'm also aware that a threshold dose of salvinorin A is about 200μg. Knowing this I could just weigh it out, but can anyone confirm this? It would be nice if someone who has experience with the plain dried leaf can give me some insight, thanks!

 

[DickTate]

Unfortunately there is no way to determine how potent your leafs are over the internet. You have to titrate your dose up which sucks with Salvia since the subtle effects can be pretty uncomfortale in my experience (as can be a breakthrough experience).

Are you experienced with other psychedelics? Because I think Salvinorin A is an advanced substance like DMT due to the rapid and intense mind-shattering effects combined with temporarily amnesia. Definitely nothing to do without a sitter. This stuff has kicked many Psychonauts asses including mine.

If you are going to try it, just smoke a little bowl of it, keep the smoke in as long as possible and see what happens. If it was underwhelming wait a few days and repeat with a bit more. And read up extensively about the stuff and the ego-breaking it can cause if you haven't already.

Have fun meeting the elves

 

[Achten]

Various leaves can have various strengths of course, but as the previous poster suggested, titrating upwards with a few spare days in between is a good idea.

I'd start at 0.25gr, then 0.5g, then 1g.

I actually don't really like the low dose experience, but the mood it puts me in afterwards is priceless. Not like a mushroom afterglow but something entirely different. At peace.
That said, no low dose experience can prepare you for breakthrough experience, it's a whole other drug. I haven't tried DMT but people seem to say the same about that substance.

 

[Dysphoric]

I'm not at all new to Salvia. I've done it 13 times total, but its been 3 years since I've done it. I've done 5x, 10x, 15x, and 20x. I've reached level 5 on the salvia scale before, never had a bad experience, I've never done any other psyches because I'm too "scared" to (ironic I know) Salvia at least back in the day, made it difficult to get uncomfortable or scared, because it didn't allow me to think at all.

Anyways, I dealt with anxiety for a while in these past years, its been good now for the past year. However, I'm still somewhat concerned about it coming back during the initial hit, but I also hear from a lot of people that Salvia is very effective at combating anxiety. The main purpose i ordered it was for depression since I heard it was very effective for that as well, I do recall a euphoric and moderate empathogenic afterglow for up to an 1-2 hours, and feeling happy days afterwords. I'm just very, very nervous about doing it again since its been so long, I just don't want to start to feel a surge of anxiety right before it hits, making me fight it.

My main concern!
If it still effects me the way it did years ago, than I'll enjoy it. With my "what if" personality I'm afraid that it will somehow effect me differently from before. Is this a possibility? Or should it still effect me how it used to? It seems like everyone has there own ways of experiencing things. I was the minority when it came to salvia because I enjoyed it.

Thanks again for any advice/answers!

 

[Clocktower]

I happen to enjoy salvia as well, in low and high doses. If you enjoyed it before, you will probably enjoy it now- getting over the "what-if's" is just going to require having a little faith in yourself and your (extensive!) experience. I agree with those above who've advised you to start small and work your way up.

 

[Disconnect]

If you have had experience with the extracts, just the raw dry leaf is a totally different experience.
MUCH more mild and MUCH more subtle. The highest I got with just leaf would have been ~+1/1.5 and that was chain smoking 18 cones of it (well it was 50:50 blend with amanita muscaria and it was a small cone piece, but the point is I can't see anyone being able to smoke fast enough for lady salvia to start tearing their reality to pieces).

To get to the fully immersive levels with just the leaf I have been advised to chew 20+ leaves for 20mins without swallowing the saliva/leaf matter (well do that at the end of the twenty minutes). But if you can physically do that without puking, you have a stronger stomach than I do.

But if you are keen on smoking it, I'd go for a few cones (I reckon the intensity peaked off at around the 5th). I found it incredibly energetic, euphoric and gentle.

Before smoking the leaf I had smoked the extract (10x, 15x and 40x, 8 times all together) and found it pretty unrewarding. Just a whole lot of what the fuck was that. Smoking the leaf on the other hand was blissful.

 

[Auroric]

I've always wanted to find some leaf just to try the chewing the quid, seems like it would extend and stretch out the effects. I feel like having time to observe what's going on would help to enjoy the experience a lot more. As I understand it isn't orally active, so if one decided to go that route you could just chew and spit like tobacco: as long as it is absorbing though the gums you're good. I've always felt that any effects I've obtained smoking pipes or joints were placebo at best, and not really worthwhile.

 

[Dysphoric]

What exactly do you consider subtle? Like what would you experience from a fairly light dosage?

 

[jobe28]

I've smoked salvia leaves before and it was potent. I've never tried the extract, and I'm sure this stuff was a lot weaker. But it was still strong enough for me to run into my room when I did to get away from my friends, just because I was freaking. And, similar to lsd, i temporary lost my ability to talk (..well at least that happens to me on lsd). It's fun though. The more I did it the more I got used to it, and then it was just like entering this cool little new dimension or something when I smoked it.

If you're wondering whether you should do it or not, I say go for it.

 

[Auroric]

Interesting that you've noticed effects like that jobe, I've never been able to get anywhere even with an extract, other than with a waterpipe. Sounds like it would be pretty cool, worth a try i would think.

 

[✰hyperobjects✰]

You could do an extraction with alcohol, or you could do it the traditional way and make a quid. Take about a half a handful of leaves and put it in your mouth under your tongue or in your side cheek and suck on the juices for about 30mins.

 

[jobe28]

You could do an extraction with alcohol, or you could do it the traditional way and make a quid. Take about a half a handful of leaves and put it in your mouth under your tongue or in your side cheek and suck on the juices for about 30mins.

Would that make it last longer?

 

[Disconnect]

What exactly do you consider subtle? Like what would you experience from a fairly light dosage?

Umm the most intense it got from the raw dried leaves was an increased perception of colours, slight wavering visuals and the world took quite a bright light quality. Imagine shining a light through the back of a photo. Most certainly an increased pace of thoughts, quite tangental at times. I was happy to let my thoughts wander where they wanted. And lots of energy, it was like an instantaneous energy boost for a few minutes. Quite a few times one of us would smoke a cone and then 30 seconds later be 10m up a tree or diving into the creek. All done with great gusto.

The closest comparison I can come up with is a low dose of psilocybe mushrooms, but more... I don't know... feminine?

 

[Foreigner]

Quidding the leaves doesn't do much for me. There are subliminal effects from it and as a psychological medicine it works well for that, but for a recreational high? No way. I need at least 20x.

 

[Solipsis]

Yes you can weigh this, and you can calculate a dose. It should be easy, really: if you know a certain dose that was good for you using 20x extract, just take 20 times that amount of standard leaf. Etc.
If you are not sure about doses in the past then I don't see the point in the first place.

There should be websites that offer dosage calculators but you always need some starting point like a previous dose or something like an 'average dose' aiming for a certain level of effects. However dosage may vary to begin with and those just starting off may require more product than those already initiated (through a phenomenon called inverse tolerance).

Can you provide more info about what you want to know?
For other basic dosage questions please check this: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_dose.shtml
Your answer should be in there. Please get back to us if not...

 

[jimhoo]

if you just have the basic leaf you dont need to worry too much about weighing it. just take a small hit if your nervous about it. i smoked the extracts first which was a bit too intense. but the basic leaf delivers a small amount of anxiety for a few seconds then a really pleasant boost in mood afterwards (when smoked) without any real specific pyschoactive effects.

iv read a bit about making extracts from the basic leaf. the salvinorin is most soluble in acetone or pure ethanol. so i think you just repeatedly soak it in acetone or ethanol then dry it out and reconstitute it with something edible. but yeah probably grand piss about so havent attempted it yet.

 

[Achten]

Don't really want to start a new thread for this but I have found some 10x extract with an expiration date somewhere in 2011. Worth trying or is there any danger to it being so old ?

 

[Survived Abortion]

Best thing to do with plain salvia leaf is either make an extract or make salvia tea and take it orally which, in a large enough dose, makes you trip for two hours. I know people say it doesn't work orally but I made tea with 20g of it and it really, really worked.

Damn, how did you navigate a 2 hour salvia trip? I usually found 5 minutes in salvia land to be more than enough. Then again, you don't really have chance to get used to the sudden shift in consciousness when smoking extracts, so maybe it's different with the slow onset of the tea.

Don't really want to start a new thread for this but I have found some 10x extract with an expiration date somewhere in 2011. Worth trying or is there any danger to it being so old ?

Huh! This surprises me. I can't really see why something like salvia extract would be given an expiration date by the vendor. It should be fine; the worst than can happen is that your salvinorin A has degraded, but this wont have happened to any appreciable degree because it's quite stable in dried leaves.

 

[Survived Abortion]

^ Woah, that sounds like a hell of a time! Salvia does do some wacko things to your perception of space and time. I know what you mean about the angles. But the "false memories" are pretty unusual. Perhaps they were due to still being intoxicated and experiencing that as a jumbled up collection random thoughts like a dream, but because you were lucid whilst being fucked up you remembered it as a memory of previous events thinking that it actually happened. Sometimes that even happens with dreams, where you wake up and for a while believe that the narrative in your dream related to actual events that never really happened. Was it a fuzzy memory or could you remember it clearly with all emotional tangents intact?

I'm going to have to try this method someday - I always loved salvia even when smoked as an extract so it would be great if the experience was more comprehensible. I tried a quid once but I couldn't get it to work because my cheeks were overflowing with juices and there wasn't enough room to hold in all the saliva, which ended up dribbling everywhere. I also tried the tincture, but I didn't take enough, and I have doubts about its potency.

Since it's clear that the tea does actually work, this would be a great method to try for me because I don't smoke anything anymore. I'd like to try the quid method again too, but I would use fresh leaves this time instead of dried which crumble up in your mouth to a bitter mush.