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salvia is fuckin crazy

damn, i'm asking cause i have access to that but not dmt.

but yeah, about the OP, the first time i did salvia, i wasn't even expecting it. me and my sisters fiance were smoking weed and he packed it again and only took one hit and was like "yup, i'm good, here ya go."

little did I know that he packed the bowl with 40x strength salvia. So I took my first huge rip, held it in, let out, took a second rip and couldn't even hold it in for longer than 5 seconds. I was standing up when i smoked it and fell straight to the concrete garage floor. I had an intense experience but it was not enjoyable at all...when i woke up i felt exactly how I did after the first time i did the knock out game (i know stupid) but basically it felt like i was waking up during my death as if i overdosed on something or had alcohol poisoning, passed out, and woke up again as I was dying.

Haven't been able to get my hands on it since then because it's now illegal in most states, if not all, i don't know anymore.
 
rollin_stoned said:
Haven't been able to get my hands on it since then because it's now illegal in most states, if not all, i don't know anymore.
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Bummer, I believe it's still legal in most states. In my state any bill that came up died. Now there are none. Yippee!
 
killo said:
Ugh.....you didn't smoke enough.

I always feel rejuvenated after my salvia experiences. "Shitty" is not even a good word to describe a real full-on salvia experience.

More like ASTONISHING BEYOND IMAGINATION.

Keep trying, one day you'll break through *wink*




Low-medium doses are typically more dirty feeling than the full "break through". trust me.

You need to smoke it right and in the right setting.

Get a torch lighter and a decent extract, smoke the biggest rips you can quickly in the dark. There's no way you'll think it feels dirty lol. It's just as mind shattering as DMT but maybe even more shattering.
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Ive tripped on Salvia plenty of times dude and had many breakthroughs

In my opinion the shit sucks , and were all entitled to our own opinion

were going to have to agree to disagree
 
fiendwithoutaface said:
salvia is fuckin crazzy... everytime i do it i figure that out again... that is all
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Couldn't agree more. Fuckin' crazy is as good a description of Salvia as you'll ever get, I think :D

I agree with Charlie - it's super intense, but not often in a good way. Feels very dark - malevolent even - almost every time I've used it. The only genuinely good experiences I've had with it have been a couple of times when combined with MDMA (feels far more positive and easier to integrate) or from oral tinctures which are far more subtle in effect.

There's not really a question here but discussion is being discussed... I may close this one and point you in the direction of The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread or I may point you in that direction and decide whether to close of merge this later... Think I'll go with the latter for now as I'm feeling kinda indecisive :o
 
Its a funny thing with salvia cause people will only truly know what
ur talking about if they had a breakthrough trip themselves.

Salvia is fucking crazy your right. 75 bucks for a gram of 80x
most definatly not worth it! I want dmt :*(
 
another one jumping on the "not liking" salvia bandwagon. hate the stuff actually. and yes, i have broken though many times. the worst psych ive done.

dmt/aya is the most beautiful enlightening experience i think i have ever tried. though i must say mescaline comes in a close second.
 
I agree with Shambles that there is something dark about it, not necessarily evil or negative but a combination of dissociating and forcing. Salvia sure has something to show but either the effects are of medium intensity which feels to me a bit like acid, or they are interestingly intense but inseparably also overpowering.
DMT is extraordinarily powerful as well but most often filling you with love, it is more creative and intricate than your own imagination seems to be and a virtually impossible experience but it doesn't seem to humble you towards a certain terror. Awe and immense respect, yes, but in the end truthful compassionate and honest.

Some people say that the Salvia goddess or whatever doesn't like to be smoked and the shamans that originally cultivated it frown upon this method of consumption. Now personally I don't believe that spirits are real like they are conscious entities independent from ourselves but I see spirits as the essence of something, what something abstractly and quintessentially amounts to...
In that view I can see some truth to this statement: I personally think that the pharmacodynamics of salvinorins when smoked / vaporized make the experience a very hard one. I would like to try salvia tincture because I think that the trip's story will be played at the right "speed" that way and one's consciousness can deal with it adequately.
Actually, I think vaporized DMT is the same in that it goes a little too fast. It is still fantastic and enjoyable but I very much feel that it could be so much more therapeutic if only it would go somewhat slower...
 
JackARoe said:
Salvia is a beautiful thing for some of us. ...

But I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.. %)
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I concur. 110%

Once you learn to embrace the experience you can have amazing visions. My favorite one was where I was sitting atop a very very tall cliff and there was a river running right next to me into a waterfall going over the cliff. When the water hit the bottom of the fall, instead of pooling and flowing down river it actually grew into trees forming a forest. This forest "flowed" and "grew" away from the cliff, like a river would, as far as the eye could see. Quite amazing.
 
Whew, thanks Damien. I think I was getting out numbered. lol

As far as smoking Salvia, there is no way frowned upon in my book. I know Tim Leary frowned upon the Pranksters using LSD in a party setting and the pranksters thought the clinical setting was too stuffy. It''s all just opinions. No one is right. It's all too personal to tell another what is frowned upon. Smoking Salvia is just fine and it was inevitable that the plant would be used that way. Quids are interesting too.
 
lol I totally agree. Another one of my not so "mystical" experiences with salvia was having everyone in the cartoon "Harvey Birdman" (which was on at the time) talk to me every time they spoke. That was quite hilarious.
 
Salvia is one of my least favorite drugs. I find it on the same level of enjoyment as drugs such as dimenhydrinate, diphenhydramine, and other crapy drugs. Most of my salvia trips involve me going on an overly intense trip which is always accompanied by bodily discomfort. I just cant feel comfortable. During the trip i never fail to forget who i am, where i am, anything about the world and most disturbingly i forget i am on a drug. After the few minutes of sheer terror end im borderline tripping and feel depressed. Once ive fully come down i wonder why the fuck i just wasted more money on a gram of salvia extract.:\
 
I've heard that ingesting salvia orally(or held in the mouth like the Shamans) is more life-changing because it can be integrated easier.

But let me ask you people, those of you who have "broken through". What type of setting did you use it in?

Salvia wants:

No noise, complete silence.
Pure darknesss
lay down and lend yourself to the experience, observe. Don't try to fight it, that's when things get disgusting.

Salvia is not a joke lol.

If you don't follow that then you're going to fill yucky, that's from my experience.

Yes the experience is really fucking weird and not like the usual psychedelics but so is 5-MEO DMT. That stuff is ridiculous.
 
killo said:
I've heard that ingesting salvia orally(or held in the mouth like the Shamans) is more life-changing because it can be integrated easier.
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I wouldn't call it life-changing but it's far more interesting than smoking it for me - I'd actually choose to repeat it and try to learn the landscape better. I also found smoking very small quantities whilst tripping on oral Salvia to be far more valuable than they normally are for me.

I still have a text message on my phone that I sent to Mrs Shambles after just coming out of an oral Salvia trip which says something along the lines of "She likes to be explored slowly and respectfully - she will show you more that way". Something like that anyway and I'm not one for the whole "Goddess" stuff generally so I guess it made an impression.

Smoking I find set and setting (silence, darkness and so on) make no real difference because you are so suddenly detached it's irrelevant, but oral Salvia most certainly requires quiet and darkness as the effects (at the doses I've used anyway) are very subtle and elusive otherwise.
 
I believe the most profound epiphany about using Salvia shows one (with 50x dose plus), is the ability to slow down time, by using your subconsciousness as you know your immortal self.


One lesson Salvia barely scratches the subtle yet powerful surface with is:
Eternity through slowing down time perception and/or speeding up senses. Pretty easy lesson in my opinion and not really that fucked up at all.:|



I can just use it to fall asleep on it now a days when going nuts. Not too much fun really.


It's profound like a dream because a few minutes or even just seconds can feel and live like hours or even days.



Other than that it feels like being stupid and drunk.
 
For me silent and darkness is my norm. Pretty much 99% of the time. Even the slightest noise can snap me out of the trance before it engulfs me again. I don't need extract, just a large tobacco pipe and plain leaf. One to two large hits and I enter it again. It did take a 5x for my first breakthrough but ever since plain leaf works well.

Oral is different than smoking. Slower to come on, and yes, it does expand slowly that way. It is very refreshing also. But smoking works on a few different levels and for sure very useful for those of us that can use, enjoy, and integrate the experience.

I have always found the mix of opinions interesting with Salvia. Almost like it's doing different things to different people. When I am at the end of my rope with life and all the BS that goes along with it, a Salvia session puts me straight and then I feel thankful.
 
Im gonna be another one to chime in and say salvia is bunk. Also i could be wrong here but i dont think you can get to much past 20X extract. Shit saying its more potent is more of a marketing scheme but w/e could be wrong.

Salvia for me always is very dark and tormenting. All i can describe it as is its your own personel hell. My vision goes darker and get sucked into w/e im sitting in and happiness doesnt even exist... it is hell after all. I know i havnt really broke though and i really dont want to. Probably the craziest trip i had was when i couldnt move at all, i was paralized and i was seeing 4 of everything. My vision was still perfect it just had 4 "windows" rather than the normal one. Like an old shitty b-flick when you looked through the flys or w/e eyes.


But yeah. Its dark. All there is to get out of salvia is appreciating the fact you have your sanity.
 
Salvia Divinorum is verrrryyy tricky to work with. I have only had one truly harmonious experience with Salvia and it was immensely beautiful, deeply informative, if more weird and otherly than any other psych I've done. That one experience still rings loud enough in my memory to profess that Salvia is very much the real deal, and has the potential to be called "entheogen".

This being said, I've had a handful of disharmonious trips with Salvia, and I get where the hate comes from. One trip incited contempt in me toward the plant, for reasons I can't understand or explain.

I see the word "dark" being used, and while more and more I'm finding that word to be abstract and useless, I would not agree. I feel like Salvia comes from/takes you to a dimension evolved beyond our conceptions of "light" or "dark" -- or birth energy and death energy if you want to play at those. Salvia space is simply impossible to capture into those connotations -- though trying is quite a sport. It's why this may be my favorite thread ever on bluelight PD.

I will agree that Salvia, at least smoking it, is definitely physically unpleasant. Painful even. But I think its worth it to glimpse at what this insane behemoth of a psychedelic plant has to offer.

I have never done DMT so I cannot compare.

Solipsis said:
I would like to try salvia tincture because I think that the trip's story will be played at the right "speed" that way and one's consciousness can deal with it adequately.
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I would agree. Salvia doesn't want to be smoked, and "speed" is a good way of putting it. Like the film reel is running on the wrong frame-rate. I actually noticed a metaphor the other day on this bizarre "chattering frame-rate" sensation. Have you ever been in a car driving down the highway with your windows open, and a moth flies in and you see it struggle in air with the contradiction of gravity that is being in the still interior of a moving object? I feel like with smoking Salvia you are that moth, and while I haven't administered it in any other way than smoking, I have a feeling this is the sensation that could be avoided with another route of administration.
 
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