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Bupe Salvia for bupe withdrawals?

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xburtonchic

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I already know this seems like an entirely stupid question, but if you've ever taken salvia then you know it completely takes you out of reality for about 15-30 min and then makes you tired. So I was thinking... or wondering, really... if during the worst of my withdrawals salvia would help? Just to kind of idk live on another planet for a few minutes and make me forget about the withdrawals for the time being... and then possibly be able to sleep afterwards.

I couldn't find any information on this so I assume it's never been tried before... but it seems somewhat reasonable. But at the same time, it also seems like it could potentially be the worst idea in the world since my body is clearly all out of balance and there's a possibility of a bad trip. (Although in my opinion, I'd take a bad salvia trip over a bad shrooms trip ANY day of the week.) Plus from what I remember about salvia, it's somewhat numbing... like someone could hit you really hard and you wouldn't even feel it, just laugh. So it could be beneficial for all the aches and shit too. But idk.

So yeah. Thoughts?
 
Salvinorin A is a potent opioid with a strong kappa affinity. There is also a derivative of it called Herkinorin which has my-opioid agonist activity. Honestly though trying to stay in Salvia induced psychosis for the weeks of bupe withdrawal seems a little unreasonable. At least Ibogaine is known for it. Remember that if you are able to just easily hop off opioids there will be less incentitive to not et back on them as well.
 
I am talking about salvia divinorum. Idk about all the other stuff you mentioned, or if it's the same thing... I don't know all the super technical terms for absolutely everything, only the basics.

But I definitely didn't know salvia is an opiate...? Wow. That's interesting.

I don't plan to keep myself in a salvia induced psychosis either LOL no thanks. I just meant like... well you know how time goes by really, really slow when you're going through w/d's? And a few minutes seem like an hour? I just kind of feel that smoking salvia every once in a while (not all day though!) would make the time go by a bit faster.

I'm going to try it just once, that's all. If it helps, it helps. If I have another trip where I think the apocalypse is coming out of a kitchen sink, I won't do it again. If it makes the withdrawals feel even worse when the trip wears off, I won't do it again either. We'll see. I'm just kind of desperate here... nothing else is helping...?

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I forgot to mention, I don't plan to smoke anything above 30x. I'm not trying to put myself into a full blown spiritual epiphany where I feel like I'm Captain Planet rushing to save the earth or anything... just enough to create that little salvia buzz with mild delusions... nothing too crazy.
 
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Well good luck! My apologies if I came off over complicated. Salvinorin A is one of the compounds in Salvia. There are 3 main opioid receptors named after greek letters mu (yummy euphoria), delta, and kappa. Whatever.

I still think weed or something might make more sense than salvia and I am one of the people who will take a very mild hit to see swaying visuals, but breaking through while experiencing withdrawal and having it influence your trip...I don't even like taking salvia indoors or if it is cloudy as it's too frightening. :\
 
Thanks. No worries, I already know about all the different opioid receptors, I was just confused about the derivatives and what not lol.

I'll let everyone know how it goes. Maybe a fun trip report will even come out of it. ;)
 
This sounds to me like a terrible idea. I should think that even people who enjoy hallucinogenics would find them unbearable during withdrawal; this is because hallucinogens depend, for their positive action, upon a positive state of mind in the user when they take the drug. If you're in physical pain and anxious and all the rest of it, this will feed the hallucinogen and you will ruminate and probably just feel worse. Best way to set up a bad trip, surely?

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Another salient point is that hallucinogens seem to speed the mind up and get it thinking creatively and distinctly. But the whole reason you're in opioid withdrawal is that your body and mind are missing the sedative properties of opiates, viz., you're waking up to the world again and getting used to it. So if anything in this state you should be using things which will slow you down, to bring you back in slowly. Hallucinogens could speed you up and put you in a state you don't want to be in.

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Well I just tried it... at a VERY low dose (a super small bowl of 40x). Like it was so small it was almost a joke. But I had a pretty intense trip for about the first 10 minutes where I felt like i was growing with the grass, and it turns out being grass isn't very comfortable. But I'll put it in trip reports because this isn't the appropriate place.

Withdrawals-wise, I don't have pain anymore, like the muscle pain is gone and so is the RLS, but it seems to have made the chills a bit worse but that could possibly be because it's cold outside anyway. I feel somewhat relaxed.

So. Salvia isn't a miracle plant for bupe withdrawals, but it doesn't make it worse in any way either. It's got it's positive and negatives. The best part of it, I'd have to say, is that I actually forgot I was supposed to be in withdrawal for about 20 minutes... and it seems that besides the chills, the rest of my withdrawal symptoms have disappeared for the time being. Like, they're still there, but I have a sort of who gives a fuck attitude towards them and they're hardly, if at all noticeable.

Final verdict: YES. I would rather turn into a piece of grass for a few minutes and then wander around my house and backyard aimlessly searching for the sun than sit here and think about how much my withdrawals suck for 20 minutes.

I apologize if this made little to no sense, I just regained my motor skills about five minutes ago.
 
You can definitely try it. I have used psychedelics during heroin withdrawal with somewhat positive results.

However I would only encourage an experienced psychonaut to try it out. The most intense parts of a salvia trip (dissociation, derealization, depersonalization, time dilation) will most likely be exacerbated by buprenorphine withdrawal.
 
I'm not completely inexperienced, which is why I wasn't afraid to try it. I've smoked salvia before and realize every trip is different. I've done shrooms quite a few times too, but stopped completely after every single trip I started having was bad.

I mean, I'm not going to lie. At the very beginning of the trip I got the whole "Oh shit, this might never end and I could very possibly be a piece of grass forever." But that feeling went away almost as quickly as it came.

May I ask what your salvia experience was like during your heroin withdrawals? Did it benefit you/hinder you in any way?
 
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