Salvia Divinorum - Semi-experienced - Did I Give in to Astonishment?

[COM212]

So I've heard the phrase "Don't Give in to Astonishment", mostly related to DMT. But I think I can relate is to Salvia. So my past few trips have been bad, and I asked a friend how I should avoid a bad trip. He said, smoke weed beforehand.
So I did this, and took 4 hits of a vaporizer. After about 10 minutes I felt pretty high, as I'm not used to weed, only smoked it a few times, once or twice. I then packed a pretty small bowl of salvia, didn't even go past the pipescreen in the bowl. I was with my brother at this time.
I finished off the bowl of SalviaZone yellow salvia, and I was freaking out. I guess I has a premonition of having a bad trip, and I just couldn't get it out of my head that I was going to have one. Even with the weed. It didn't help much, as I was sort of having a bad mental fractal trip off of that. The salvia just made it so much worse.
I layed down, and I just had these terrible thoughts. I think I mentally just gave up against fighting this bad trip. I remember screaming in my head, and letting out all of this energy. Then I thought about some elite hierarchy that came into place after I gave into astonishment and they controlled tripping now. I ruined everything and nothing would be the same again. I could have chosen to be one of them, but I chose not to be. I thought of myself as a scumbag. I knew I could live like this, or live two other ways when I came down.
I would be normal, and I would remember giving into astonishment and believe that I did. And I would be depressed for the rest of my life. Or I would remember it, but believe that I hadn't given in, and everything was still normal. I would live normally.
Now I don't know what to think. This was all yesterday. Today things have sort of come into perspective. I feel better about myself, and I realized it was all just a bad trip. And none of that exists in the real or fake world. I didn't mess anything up.
But somehow I knew while I was tripping that I would think this way when it was over... It's hard to explain. It's like I knew that I would mentally cover up what I had just done, and change what actually happened and sort of wipe my memory.
So now I'm depressed because I can't think about what to think.
I don't think I'm going to smoke weed or smoke salvia for a long time, if ever again.

 

[ChronicHD]

Weed really helps to calm my anxiety and definitely mellows out very intense come-ups. But I know for a lot of people this is not the case. I would only recommend smoking weed on psychedelics to those that smoke daily.

 

[graugeist]

...So my past few trips have been bad, and I asked a friend how I should avoid a bad trip...

Stop using psychedelics and other powerful hallucinogens then. If you have experienced consistently bad reactions you shouldn't keep playing with fire and continue to torture yourself. These types of drugs are not a good fit for everyone.

 

[g0to]

You were deathly afraid of a bad trip and that is exactly what you got. What is a "bad trip" anyway? The fear of losing control going full bloom.

It seems you view "letting go" in the psychedelic sense as something bad, like "giving in" to the trip and then there is some "hierarchy that controls tripping now". All of that shit was inside your mind and nowhere else, pure imagination, realize this is how powerful your mind is to generate such things and bathe in that glory.

If this is one of your first psychedelic experiences it can be very hard to swallow, and Salvia is not the best drug to try. As I said it seems you have problem with letting the psychedelic drug take reign of your mind. It doesn't CONTROL anything however, perhaps molds your thoughts but does not control your actions or have any direct effect upon "default" reality, thats just another illusion of the mind stemming from fear the unknown.

I might be ranting abit but to sum it up for you take a break from the weed (it seems to stem panic attacks for some), don't smoke salvia, and perhaps take a break from all drugs until you get back in the mindset where you are comfortable with trying extremely mind altering substances again, and take something light like .5-1gram of shrooms. This will really show you what "tripping" can be without the oftentimes intense/scary side of salvia.

 

[COM212]

thanks all. i'll take a break from everything. i may try some new psychedelics, and maybe salvia again in the future. i didn't realize it was one of the strongest out there!

You were deathly afraid of a bad trip and that is exactly what you got. What is a "bad trip" anyway? The fear of losing control going full bloom.

this sounds very logical. thank you very much.

 

[omicamushroom]

Salvia is tough to figure out. Stick with hallucinogens that are fun first, rather than diving into the mindfuck of all hallucinogens. Mushroom, acid, 2cb are pretty fun. Its hard to have a bad time as long as you are in a good setting. DMT is very pleasruable in comparison with salvia. It is hard to have a bad time on that. Low doses as well as high doses are always well worth it.

Salvia sent me into a bit of a psychosis when I was using it a lot when I was younger. I felt as though I never came back to reality, and that I would all of a sudden wake up from a trip. It was a terrible feeling that lasted a couple months after excessive use in a 2 month period. It is a weird fucking drug dude. Low doses and high doses can both be horrendous.

As for weed... some people don't like it. I love it. Smoke it everyday... it can relieve a lot of anxiety if you don't smoke too much. When smoking a lot paranoia can be induced.

Read a lot before eating psychedelics... and don't settle for salvia if it is the only one around. Wait, dude... figure out what you really want to do. Finding materials is not as hard as you think. Try not to base all your judgment on your salvia experiences. If you are interested in psychedelics rework your approach. There are many materials that can be very rewarding.

Salvia is far beyond my mentality at this point in my life. It has been close to 3 years since I last smoked it. I am quite afraid of it actually. I have had dmt binges similar to my salvia binge, and it did not fuck me up at all really. I felt quite normal in the process of doing it and even afterwards. I discontinued the excessive use because i felt cracked out and like I was abusing the material and building a tendency towards its use. The mentality was it feels good so why not. It was pleasurable each and every time... but lately my mind has been telling me to take a break and maybe try oral ingestion of the material. So I have been turning it down lately when it is offered. Been eating a lot of acid... that may be a tendency getting out of control. that's another story though.



My advice: Read, figure out what you really want to do, journey, do what you want to do.

 

[ABCDFG I Ate The E]

yeah go by what that guy said ^^^

stick with lsd, shrooms, 2c family, all those are actually euphoric hallucigens/pychedelics

DPH(benedryl) , datura , salvia and a few others i cant think of right now are full blown hallucingens, and not really phychedelics.

like on the first ones i mentioned, you'll get visuals like shapes, colors, kladeiscope patterns etc.

the second ones you get actually hallucinations that usually aren't fun. you can make it fun to a point if you like seeing and hearing things that arent there, but from what you're describing those drugs arent for you.