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Salvia 5x - 1st time - Incomplete trip.

satricion

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I had no intention of posting this my first experience with salvia (and my first ever encounter with a real psychedelic) but I find myself constantly thinking over the experience, and felt that comments from other people might help me make some sense of it. I am not the sort of person who looks at drugs as a spiritual experience…in my opinion you take your chemicals, have a good time and then get over it. They might help you to think about things in a different way, but that’s about all. This is my first trip report so I hope it doesn’t suck too hard.

My experience with other drugs includes plenty of weed, some MDMA, a little meth and the odd benzo and opiate, as well as nitrous.

My mindset going into the experience was as good as I could hope for. I had been on holiday with two close friends for the past two days, and the atmosphere between us was great, due mostly to having spent the entire holiday getting nicely fucked up and congratulating one another on it. The two people I was with were peaking nicely on MDMA, and I was mostly straight aside from half a beer and a couple of joints shared on the beach earlier on. I had also had my first experience with oxycodone that afternoon, and it had left me feeling relaxed and content (although disturbingly keen for more oxy).

We got back from the beach at around 9:00pm and I immediately started preparing the experience. I assembled and filled the bong, found the salvia, and we all sat down in a very dark room together with some music on. I packed about half a cone (bowl) of salvia 5x, leaned back against a wall and punched it all in one breath. I let the smoke out slowly and waited…nothing happened. I suspect the sounds of the other people in the room and the music stopped me from breaking through, but I tried again with the same dose in the same room, again with little effect aside from some drowsiness. I stood up and took the second chamber off the front of the bong to make sure that I got all the smoke with my next attempt, and packed up about two thirds of a cone of the 5x. I then stood up and left the room with my friends in it for the main bedroom. I closed all the doors, made sure everything was quiet and dark, and tried again.

Again I punched the cone in one go, put the bong down on a bedside table beside me and let the smoke out slowly. I started to wonder if anything would happen, when I noticed a series of blue squiggly patterns on the door in front of me, reminiscent of something you might see on the side of a native American Indian tent…I squinted to get a better look and everything suddenly changed. I watched what I can only describe as a constantly expanding series of geometric shapes explode in front of me like a whole universe being formed, bright colours (mostly orange) rolling out in front of me, and as I saw more and more of what was happening, the overall shape of it changed. It went from a small plain to a huge plateau, and then I seemed to ‘zoom out’ and see that it was only a small part of something larger, most of it a mosaic of black and dark purple. I think of what happened next as the interlude…I suddenly realised that I was communicating with another presence, I could feel intense waves of heat and energy coming from beneath me, and I could sense something else above me. For some reason, this being was entertaining me with what so far was just some great eyecandy. I wasn’t really a participant in anything, just an observer. As I lay there, I felt that whatever it was was trying to convince me to close my eyes, but I was thinking ‘No way am I going to close my eyes, I don’t want to miss out on all this great stuff!’. After some time of this (probably less than a second though) I thought ‘Oh alright, I’ll close my eyes, but this better be good!’
I closed my eyes and was taken to a peaceful place where I saw patterns reminding me of massive strands of DNA floating around. I watched this all for a little while and tried to look around but wasn’t shown anything more spectacular and I remember thinking ‘Well, this is alright I guess, but you convinced me to close my eyes and I expected something really cool!’



And then it was over. I opened my eyes, got up a little shakily from the bed, grabbed the bong and went into the other room where my friends were waiting. Aside from some residual drowsiness, the salvia seemed to have entirely worn off.

My first thought after the experience was that I definitely wanted to do it again to complete it. I feel as though this was just part one of the trip, and that salvia still has more psychedelic eyecandy to show me. Because of the feeling that the whole trip was somehow ‘provided’ for me by whatever being I felt that I was communicating with during the experience, I find myself thinking of salvia as a person, which is a bit strange.

Despite the fact that all I really experienced was some pretty things to look at, I still feel that there’s something I’m missing in the experience that would give me a feeling of completion. Maybe I’ll get this when I have the opportunity to do salvia again and hopefully complete the trip with a slightly stronger dose. A final interesting fact, all of my cravings for oxycodone vanished entirely after this. I wasn’t even tempted when I walked past a few lines racked up on a table.

This experience with salvia hasn’t changed any of my opinions on the ‘spirituality’ of drug use…I don’t think I was actually communicating with any higher powers or anything like that, but it was still a great experience. Um…the end.
 
Nice report!
Im intrigued by salvia. It's just so ehm alien.
You didnt find it scary or alien?

¤Arjen
 
I would describe the being that I felt I was communicating with as definitely alien and definitely powerful...it would have been scary had it chose to do anything other than show me pretty colours, but overall it wasn't a scary experience. :)
 
Hey Satricion
I think this scale seems to be a at least a fairly good description of my own experience that night with you and the other friend.

S-A-L-V-I-A Scale


Level 1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that 'something' is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

Level 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.

Level 3 "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as 'eye candy' but are not confused with reality.

Level 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer you are in ''dream time'. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the 'eye candy' closed eye imagery, of level 3.

Level 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

Level 6 "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.


When I did the Salvia 5x I was peaking off the MDMA pretty hard core plus I had weed and the crystal meth in my system. I pullled the salvia cone and put the bong on the table. I figured I'd close my eyes and lie down so I could at least enjoy the effects of the other stuff in my body, since I figured it didn't work last time chances are it wouldn't this time. Instead the Salvia experience came on very subtly for me with an almost dream state experienced. My body was convulsing from the body rushes from the other stuff, but instead of exactly feeling it like normal it seemed I was watching me from above. After that I entered into what I can only describe as feeling like a past life. I saw a blond haired teenage girl skipping along in some medieval age dressed like a boy in expensive, yet not flamboyant clothing. Even though I was watching this girl, the feeling that I was experiencing was that this girl was me. This imagery was then broken by more body rushes and I opened my eyes to look around the room which was now lighted in the same manner as if there was a candle in the room. It was then that I really opened my eyes to see that the room was not lit with the light of a candle, but slightly darker and more defined.

I decided at this point to get up and tell you, Satricion and our other friend how fucking cool this was and did. It seemed however during the next hour whenever I closed my eyes that I lost contact with reality and entered into amazingly realistic dreams that in no way I could distinguish from reality. The logical conclusion would have been I was just falling asleep and dreaming, but after all the stimulants I put into my body that would have been impossible.

The next night I also had a hugely realistic dream that I could actually remember, which for me personally never happens. I hope what I've written down makes sense and allows for another experience from Salvia that is slightly different from yours Satricion to be seen. I definitly believe I experienced up to Level 4 off the Salvia chart and I'd guess our other friend got to Level 5?
 
I would put my experience at level 4 on the scale you've described, although it doesn't sound as intense as yours. Half of the visual effects I had were open eyed, and they were actually more spectacular and all-encompasing than the closed eye visuals that I experienced. My CEV's were more peaceful, although I felt more communion with the 'other being' when my eyes were closed than when they were open.
 
I definitely reckon it was the CEV's that defined my experience, but to tell you the truth I was just slipping into the little stories and coming out of them so often that I can't even remember any OEV's that I didn't in reality have my eyes closed. We definitely have to have another try, but this time I'd prefer to have no more than a few drinks or cones before hand to see if it made any difference to the experience.
 
Great report!! :)

Salvia does indeed have something else to show you.. and it might not just be eye candy next time.. Mayber a whole new dimension.. good luck with your future adventures :)
 
torn_wings said:
Level 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.
^^ That pretty well describes my last salvia trip. I had forgotten about the salvia rating scale. Definitely more than eye-candy, salvia took me as far out as 5-MeO-DMT, and in a weirder way, if that's possible. If only it wasn't so often dysphoric, I would do salvia all the time; but maybe it's for the best that it's not really "fun" -- so I'm only inclined to do it when I really want to have a real experience.
 
I smoked some last night and I felt as if the room had been opened up and some entity was like watching my friend and I. I started mumbling about the people...then my friend goes "what people?" to which I responded "Boy we have a lot to teach you about reality". I guess you can say its alien, because I can't really describe the experience, quite often I don't remember large parts of it, but its extremely intense, and confusing.
 
satricion said:
Despite the fact that all I really experienced was some pretty things to look at, I still feel that there’s something I’m missing in the experience that would give me a feeling of completion.

Me too, it's nice to see I'm not the only one. I'm reluctant to try it again anytime soon, but who knows, maybe one day.

Anyway, awesome report. When you say you think/refer to salvia as a person, does this person have a gender? (notably female?)
 
Hmm this report was made ages ago, but I don't remember thinking of anything in terms of gender.

I felt like I was in the presence of a very powerful being, but I didn't get the impression that it was male or female...in fact on reflection the impression I got of the being was of something so alien that I don't think any gender labels would be appropriate.
 
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