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This report is from a good friend of mine. We both took salvia but for some reason I didn't actually trip I just felt very weighed down and felt a bit stoned.

Ok I was at a party a couple of weeks ago and some of my friends got some salvia that we were all going to have in the early hours of the morning when we had finished rolling on E and smoked all our weed.

Earlier that night my friend P had taken 1 and a half ecstacy pills (These were very clean pills which we got from a very reliable source) The time was about 8pm Tuesday When he took the first pill and then took half an hour and a half later.

*I have split this report into what we (Me and my friends) were seeing and what my friend P (My friend tripping on salvia) was seeing*

At 4am Wednesday morning:
(P had come down from the MDMA)
My friend P took 1 hit from the water bong and nothing happend, I then took a hit and nothing happend. My friend P then took another hit. There was about 5 of us standing around a bar at a friends house. He took the hit and then my friend C went to pass him a glass of water then suddenly P went stiff, he nearly fell over and knocked over the bong over in the process. I quickly grabbed him so he didn't fall down.

What P was seeing: A still image was stuck in his head (My friend C passing him the glass of water) it was like looking at apicture on a computer screen, then this image multiplied into hundreds of the same still image of my friend passing him the glass of water, he felt like all his body was being stretched (it didn't hurt) then all the images turned into a stick man (just made up of this still image) and then this turned into several stick men, the stick men were dancing around. He was terrified by this.(This lasted around 10 - 15 minutes)

What me and my friends were seeing: I was still holding my friend P as he was stiff, his eyes were closed and he could not stand. His arms were held up to his chest and in a weird position (hard to explain) and his neck and head were kind of being pulled towards his left shoulder. Me and my friends reaslied he was tripping hard. To us this looked very disturbing so I tried to snap him out by shouting his name. When I did this he opened his eyes and said 'what the fuck, whats going on... this is so weird'

What P was seeing: When I shouted his name one of the hundreds of still images suddenly flew at him and then the image turned into my face (I shouted his name) and then he snapped out of it.

What we were seeing: He then seemed very confused and then kind of snapped back into it but was able to stand up and walk. He then made a sound... like a 'mmerr' sound which was scarey as it seemed he couldnt talk properly. He walked into the toilet and I went with him, I closed the door behind us and he looked at me, it looked like he was gonna cry (he has tears in his eyes and he said to me 'What are you doing in here' He seemed a bit violent. He then got on his knees and lent over the toilet like he was going to be sick then quickly got back up (he wasn't actually sick), by this time the rest of my friends had come over. He then snapped out of it and seemed very confused and very scared.

What P felt: He said that he kind of blacked out after I snapped him out of the first part of the trip and he coudlnt remember seeing anything but was very scared and he kept snapping out of it and ending up in places (the toilet) and didn't know how he got there.

After we told him what had happend: After we explained to him what had happend he was a little less confused but was terrified at what he saw still. We sat him down on the sofa and some of us left him alone as he was so scared. One of my friends sat with him and asked him about it but he said 'I don't even wanna talk about it. It was fucking scarey' He then hid behind a pillow and kept just peeking over and looking at the kitchen (Where we did the salvia) and then quickly went back behind the pillows. He said that he kept someitmes seeing a few things from the trip still which scared him a lot.

About 30 mins later he was a little less scared and began to tell us what he saw, the whole time he kept having to stop and relax him self as it was terrifying for him to tell us. A few hours later he went to sleep and a couple of us went with him and lay in bed with him (This was a very packed house party and every bit of floor space and every couch was covered with sleeping people). So we all shared the bed and he held on to my hand very tight when sleeping. He said he felt very greatfull towards us for helping him.

The next day we went to another party (at the same house) and every time he saw the kitchen he got a little nervous.

A few weeks later he's totally fine but said he never wants to touch psychedelic drugs again.

My question: I've read a good few salvia trip reports and they kind of seem a bit similar to this but was the reason he was so scared because he was so overwhelmed? Note: He has not done psychedelic drugs before and has done MDMA once (Earlier on that night) Also what was the reason I did not trip? I hear that salvia is a stubborn drug but I took about 4 hits and it didn't affect me. (I've taken it before but I didn't trip like this, I just kind of blacked out and came to in a ditch, it was dark and I was talking to a bush thinking it was my friend, I was saying 'Just get me out c'mon'
 
Sounds like a fairly typical reaction to salvia, especially for someone who hadn't ever tripped before. It's a pretty terrible idea to introduce someone to psychedelics with salvia, IMO. It's pretty much the most intense a substance can even get, or at least it's just as intense as the other most intense psychedelics, but in a different way.

As for why he got so scared, I would imagine it's because he has some control issues, or some other issues, or (perhaps most likely) he was just entirely overwhelmed and wasn't expecting anything remotely like what he experienced. Did he read trip reports and prepare himself for the experience? Or did he just do it at someone's suggestion, knowing nothing about it?

I always wonder why people get scared when they have significant hallucinations... what do you expect when taking a psychedelic? I've been scared to death on various psychedelics over the years, but it was never the hallucinations that scared me.

As for why you didn't trip, it's probably not very good extract. What strength was it? Or is it even extract? A lot of places sell bullshit salvia products, especially, I find, headshops.

In the future, you should tell your friend to read, read, read up on any substance he plans to try. And you should also tell him that most psychedelics are tremendously different from salvia, and not even close to that strong.
 
He didn't read about it at all really. Neither did I until what happened. I think he expected it to be more like shrooms. It was 20 times extract that we got from a shop in London so I'm guessing it probably wasn't too good.

Thanks for the input.
 
Glad I could help. You should always read everything you can about any new drug you plan to take. Imformation is power and protection. You have the entire Internet available to you... you should utilize it!

Salvia is definitely a long way away from mushrooms :)
 
Ditto what xorkoth said, plus salvia isnt really a party drug. the next time I do salvia I am going to do it in a dark room with no music and no light and no chance of anyone disturbing me for atleast a half hour.
 
Salvia is the most intense drug I ever took and even with many uses it would still cause "the fear".. well more like fucking terror to be honest. When reality is ripped away from you violently and you are tossed into a different world sometimes you get pretty scared. I don't think anybody I did it with could truly handle the fear.. I wound up being the only person I've ever met to really enjoy salvia and use it dozens of times.. and the fear could still get me.

The actual method of using salvia is tricky. You can't just take a few hits and expect it to work. Theres a threashold in your brain that you need to hit and you have to hit it all at once to push you into salvia-space. For some people this is a lot, for some a little, also, the more you take it and trip, the less you'll need in the future.

That said, the best way is to load an arbitrarally large dose in a bong and take 1 enormous very fast hit of dense smoke. Hold it for about 10-15 seconds and hand the bong off to somebody and lay down and close your eyes.

Personally I hated being around other people on Salvia and would just do it solo in the dark. I never had issues with doing shit I shouldn't be doing as its heavily dissociative (like high dose DXM imho) so moving around isn't really an option.
 
That almost seems like my first time on salvia... i read about it and everything too and i was still scared
it was my first time doing any psychadelic.
after i hit it 2x i sorta blacked out and wat i remeber was seeing the image thing u were talkin about multiplied hundreds of times on the sides of my view and sinking/melting into the ground and unable to get up/move.

yes salvia is some crazy shit which i havent touched since that time but i think im ready to try once more.
 
I think that it would have been better to use the salvia just after that the MDMA peaked, not in the come down.
 
man wtf! i've done 20x Salvia (very good quality) twice, the correct way, and the closest to a trip i've ever gotten was the 2nd time i used it. it was just like i was really out of it and things that were far away seemed close and things that were close seemed far away. it lasted maybe 5 minutes then i snapped back into reality and got to feel that weird post salvia uncomfortableness.
 
aanallein said:
Salvia is the most intense drug I ever took and even with many uses it would still cause "the fear".. well more like fucking terror to be honest. When reality is ripped away from you violently and you are tossed into a different world sometimes you get pretty scared. I don't think anybody I did it with could truly handle the fear.. I wound up being the only person I've ever met to really enjoy salvia and use it dozens of times.. and the fear could still get me.

The actual method of using salvia is tricky. You can't just take a few hits and expect it to work. Theres a threashold in your brain that you need to hit and you have to hit it all at once to push you into salvia-space. For some people this is a lot, for some a little, also, the more you take it and trip, the less you'll need in the future.

That said, the best way is to load an arbitrarally large dose in a bong and take 1 enormous very fast hit of dense smoke. Hold it for about 10-15 seconds and hand the bong off to somebody and lay down and close your eyes.

Personally I hated being around other people on Salvia and would just do it solo in the dark. I never had issues with doing shit I shouldn't be doing as its heavily dissociative (like high dose DXM imho) so moving around isn't really an option.


yeah i really didnt like people a few times when i did salvia when coming out of a trip i would be quite rude and easily irritated
 
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