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Salvia – first real experience – Oh. My. God.

Morrison's Lament

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First a short foreword: I have been away for a bit mostly due to not having regular access to the internet. I wrote the following a few weeks ago, it is based on hand scribbled notes I managed to jot down just after the world started to come back together for me after the Salvia experience. Then two days later I compiled it into the text below, it is very long but fairly detailed. I hope at least one person manages to read the whole thing ;)

--- G.



I’d heard interesting things about this drug, and had in fact tried smoking a small amount of it on a couple of occasions in the past. It did little for me. Now, after the experience I am about to describe, I am of the oppinion that extract is the ONLY way to fly. It is possible to get nice effects with huge rips of leaves and a bit of luck, but trust me the extract is not only more effective but much much more practical and comfortable, only a couple of small tokes of 5x are needed for some very strange times.


Anyway, the setting was in some ways less than ideal. I was in Amsterdam for five days to meet up with some friends and have a good time, and since the extract was widely available I decided to take the Salvia plunge alone in my tiny hotel room. I picked a quiet night when I wasn’t particularly trashed from weed and beer, although there were obviously some amount of intoxicants in my system (it’s Amsterdam!). I purchased a gram of 5x extract, which I was told would be at least ten good doses (and this from a very reliable source, I dealt directly with the lady who invented the original ice-o-lator, she’s teaching hash making classes to Kazakhstani farmers for the government these days, but I digress).

For the occasion I bought a small pipe, but I already had a butane lighter. Unfortunately, my only butane lighter was the most tasteless thing in the world, it was a picture of the two towers and a plane flying into them, and next to that image is a big smiling face of Osama bin Laden and it says 9-11. Then when you open it, a red light in one of the buildings lights up like there is an explosion and a Mozart piano piece (I forget it’s name) is played LOUDLY in the style of those awful greeting cards, somewhat off key. Tacky, tasteless, freaky and Chinese. Basically, it’s not something you want to have anywhere near you on a trip, but fortunately it didn’t have a big impact on this occasion, other things were to be far too distracting.

I eyeballed the powder into 10 portions on a piece of paper, and packed a bowl with what seemed to be about 1.5-2 doses worth. I lit up the pipe with the butane lighter, was struck by how harsh it was on the throat, but managed to take in almost the whole hit and held it in for quite some time. As I was holding it in I began to feel slightly numb, then somewhat lightheaded. I remember thinking it was not dissimilar to the feeling you get when shrooms or acid are just starting to come on, except it dropped out of nowhere. When I released the hit, things got quite a bit stranger.

The first immediate effect I noticed was that all movement now had a sound and texture accompanying it. It’s obviously hard to explain these things, but it felt somewhat like inside my entire body was eminating a sound and a texture that was specific for each motion I made. I turned my head to the left and it felt like winding up a music box, little metallic ridges being pulled across a metal pin, and it sounded just like it too, like small pieces of metal being dragged over a bumby but totally symmetrical metal surface. But it wasn’t just my hands that felt it. It was more like the texture and sound eminated from within my “body”, which at this point was becoming less and less real, I felt more like a floating gaseous entity than any kind of solid.

Then, when moving my head back the other way, I got what seemed to be the same feeling and sound in reverse, I moved back and forth a few times and it was extremely consistant. Each move to the left gave the same sound and texture, each move to the right produced a similar but distinct sound and texture.


At this point, however, only a few seconds have passed since I exhaled, I know it is a minute or less because the same commercial is still on the television. I was having problems seeing, things seemed to jump around, and standing up seemed like a very complicated task indeed. Being an idiot, I decided this was a good time to smoke more, jumped on the floor and basically crawled to my stash. I dropped a bunch of salvia all over the place when trying to load the pipe, the pipe kept moving around on me and my vision and sense of balance was somewhat compromised, I probably would have fell down if I tried to stand. Then, within about two minutes of taking the first hit, I lit up an even bigger one.

Beyond this point in the trip report I cannot be 100% sure of anything, but the following are snapshots from what I remember, there is no way to communicate what actually transpired in those ten to twenty minutes or so that were to follow.

As I was inhaling the second hit and listening to the horrendously painful music and watching Osama as he looked on the burning towers on my lighter, something unexpected happened. My pipe disappeared, right in front of my eyes, it just wasn’t there any more. I thought to myself: “OK, here we go...”. I didn’t blink or anything, it just suddenly winked out of existance like in those cheesy old movies and tv shows where genies and magical beings disappear through the magic of cutting and pasting film reels. I later concluded that what probably happened was that I blacked out while I was inhaling the hit, put the pipe down without knowing it and then suddenly snapped back into consciousness with a lung full of smoke and no pipe. But to me it was totally seemless at the time, and honestly I have no idea what caused that rather disturbing effect, but the jerky low framerate visuals I would get later got me thinking that perhaps short blackouts of a few seconds were occurring regularly, it seems the most logical explanation for some of the things I experienced.

Again, I must stress that this felt totally seemless, I didn’t pass out or anything, the pipe and later other things just appeared and disappeared
right in front of my eyes.

At this point the situation is becoming hazy to me. I am no longer sure who I am, or even if I am. There is a great mass of something hot inside me, when I move my head it’s like the framrate is too low and I don’t see smooth transitions but suddenly jump from one jerky frame to another. Then I feel like I have to cough, and let out a big cloud of smoke, which I had apparently never exhaled from the second hit. No more than thirty seconds could have passed since the second hit, meaning this was taking place about two or three minutes after the first inhalation. The speed with which it knocked me out of reality was scary, however, and I remember getting intense anxiety that the universe was flooding in on me.

It felt like I suddenly had no barrier to any outside stimuli, every noise and every touch, every visual pattern and even thoughts and strange energy patterns were flowing into me full stream. I was vaguely aware that things had been normal just a minute ago and started thinking something was horribly wrong, because one is not supposed to be totally rational at one moment and grappling with delerium the next. I buried my head in my sheets, I was somehow massaging my head, not sure why but it had something to do with energy flowing patterns. The anxiety was strong, I realized that I had lost my ego for a few seconds and became extremely frightened of totally departing from the sense of self. I was afraid to leave behind the individual that I was and float into the strange world I knew would await me if I let go of my ego.

Egoloss, while spiritually fascinating, can be scary and I definitely wasn’t ready for it to happen so damned quickly! It’s happened to me on other psychedelics with good results, but the foreplay of coming up and tripping makes it totally different. Just smoking a pipe and suddenly falling out of touch with one’s own body and soul in such an extreme way is way more extreme than I was prepared for on that quiet evening in my little hotel room.

Time had very little salience, I kept telling myself that this was salvia and it would be over very quickly, but time wasn’t flowing in the way I was used to, in fact it seemed to slow to an absolute crawl. It can’t have been more than a couple of minutes knowing the short duration of the drug, but after what seemed like an eternity of battling the Salvia I sat back in my bed and attempted to give myself over to the experience and ride it out, having experienced many other psychedelics I knew this was usually the best strategy. Fighting trips is never good.

Now I think I closed my eyes, but I probably opened them several times in the next few minutes as well. I was floating in and out of extremely vivid dreams that didn’t involve any traditional elements like people or time and space. Instead I was being treated to what appeared to be kaleidoscopic artwork, beautiful animations and eerily familiar patterns. One that I remember in particular, because it was towards the end of the experience and ended memorably, was an animation of the human brain. I was being taught, there was no question about that, it was like some sublime teaching video. By whom I have no idea, but they were communicating with me in a hazy telepathic way. There were suggestions floating into my head from somewhere else, I was sure it wasn’t me that was thinking about what transpired, but it wasn’t a voice either. It was like someone was telepathically explaining the images to me in a somewhat grabled manner.

I think I put the lack of clarity down to my inexperience with receiving telepathy at the time, but obviously they were just garbled because I was tripping my nuts off and couldn’t hold a steady thought. Anyway, the actual images are hard to explain, but if you have seen the fairly popular Flash animation featuring Albert Hoffman with a Shaman drum and music lifted from Sphongle’s “DMT”, then some of the patterns were clearly similar to one or two of the more primeval tribal sort of patterns shown in that animation. Of course it was a thousand times cooler than any computer generated animation, but the basic structure of some of the frames was a bit like some patterns I remember from the above mentioned animation.

It was the tale of some sort of consciousness. It began with what seemed like a rudimentary brain, although it didn’t look like a real brain (more like a psychedelic painting of a brain) that is what the narrator assured me it was. I saw time pass extremely quickly, and the brain developed and sprouted new parts, almost scary looking tentacles that crawled out of it and moved across it’s surface to find it’s place in the mix. Eventually the brain was taking human shape, or at least so the narrator insisted, and it eventually stopped at what I understood to be the current human stage of development. We had probably just covered hundreds of millions of years of history, from reptillian brains to the modern human mind. But then it got really interesting.

After a while I was given a glimpse of what was a possible future. The brain became almost transparent, but this was just for my benefit because inside the brain I now saw what looked like a closed eyelid, I was told it was The Third Eye, and it was in the spot where I think the pineal gland is supposed to be, right at the very center of the brain enveloped by braintissue. Then it opened. It looked at me. The brain began squirming and opened up on the top, from between the two halves of the brain pushed what can only be described as a small appendage with an open eye on the end.

This was an artistic representation, like everything else I had seen, but the message was clear: The Third Eye can be opened permanently. It positioned itself along the top of the brain, the eye pointing forward and it settled into what seemed to be a snug fit among the other constituents of the brain, but clearly in a prominent role. It was the missing piece in the puzzle that is the human mind, but this wonderful vision was followed by what I felt strongly was a warning. I think I was taken back to the modern brain, I saw into it again and the eye was closed. But this time it was grey, looked withered and did not open. Instead it grew into what looked like some sort of fairly unimpressive lump, still vaguely in the shape of a closed eyelid but clearly not an important part of the brain.

It did not come out, and I was strongly under the impression that the point of no return had now been reached, once this stage took place there was no going back, and the eye would never open. I was informed through emotion that this was a waste of cosmic proportions, an evolutionary dead end. But not for the universe. Just us. And we had a choice.


With that I stopped dreaming, sat up and pondered what just took place. I kept re-running the sequence from my memory, not seeing it, but just trying to remember the details. It felt like something extremely important, that shouldn’t be forgotten. Then when I could see better, and stand without falling over or walking into walls, I lit a joint. I watched TV and smoked weed as reality slowly creeped back and I was in a relaxed state, contended but confused. The whole experience probably lasted no more than twenty minutes.


I don’t rationally believe in the implications of the above, it obviously sounds like I am saying some alien or godlike entity told me the human race’s spiritual transcendance is possible and tied to the development of the brain through eons of time. I know it’s a drug that led me to think this way, but I also know reality is fluid and knowledge is not absolute. So who is to say what the fuck happened? I came away with the feeling that I needed to smoke DMT to get the next chapter of the story, or at least a clarification, and hopefully some day I will do just that. I don’t much care whether it’s my subliminal mind talking to me or some hypothetical energy or beings that I don’t truly believe in rationally. Whatever the case, I’m still more than happy to listen!
 
I just read yours, great stuff!

It seems there is very often some kind of important message being communicated to the user while under the influence of Salvia.

While it is not uncommon to experience that with other psychedelics it strikes me that at least on the basis of our two experiences, Salvia's "advice to the user" tends to make up a large part of the trip and have a lasting impact.

Anyway, it is an extremely interesting drug that I will have to try again under better circumstances, and more prepared mentally. Like I said, being suddenly plunged from a normal state into a completely different reality is just a tad too wild for my comfort, but now I know what to expect!

--- G.
 
this is the best written salvia experience i have ever read!

instead of typing out all the things you saw, you were more detailed on how you felt, which is more of what salvia is all about.

feeling the trip :)

you should send this over to Erowid.
 
Very nice report, but...


I am of the oppinion that extract is the ONLY way to fly. It is possible to get nice effects with huge rips of leaves and a bit of luck, but trust me the extract is not only more effective but much much more practical and comfortable, only a couple of small tokes of 5x are needed for some very strange times.

Heheh, just wait till the reverse tolerance kicks in; trust me, you'll eat your words :)

I only need 1-2 small bowls of regular leaf at this point to be blown into Sally Space...
 
Thanks again!

hawkeye: I didn't know that, sounds good! :)

I do recommend extract for the first experiences though, I know several people that consider Salvia to be bunk spices like the crap they sell in High Times magazine as "legal pot" - because they did it all wrong and had leaves.

It is easier to achieve a breakthrough experience with extract, at least at first :)

--- G.
 
It is easier to achieve a breakthrough experience with extract, at least at first :)

With many people , yes, but I've read too many reports of people going through an entire gram of 5x , even 10x, in ONE night 8o , and getting little to no effects.

I started with regular leaf , and felt very little the first time- and that was with a good amount and the right set/setting/method.

I had my first breakthrough the 2nd or 3rd time , again with regular leaf...

Then I switched to extracts and was blown away by very small amounts(say 20-50 mg of 10x, and less than 100mg of 5x)..

But then I decided to get my own plants and also bought some reg. leaf in bulk- so I could make my own extracts.

By this time though, I had found that I only needed a small amount of reg. leaf to break through..

There are some forums dedicated to plants and one to salvia in particuliar. PM me if you want info..
 
Great report. My own limited experience with salvia extract vs. leaf are also slightly different. The first time I used salvia we had some 5x extract, we didn't really know how much we should do, so smoked a goo 150-200mg, and got no effects. The next time I tried salvia it was leaf, I smoked a fairly large bowl, not sure how large as a friend loaded it for me, and I had a very interesting experience, but i've not been back yet.

I'm wondering if experience with other drugs affect salvia experiences at all? Between my two salvia experiences I have taken substances that I hadn't tried before the first e.g. psilocin, ketamine.
 
Holy shit, great report! Sounds like you had a very important experience, i'm glad you were able to express it so well (although i'm sure not half as well as you would have liked). Top stuff
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So who is to say what the fuck happened? I came away with the feeling that I needed to smoke DMT to get the next chapter of the story, or at least a clarification, and hopefully some day I will do just that. I don’t much care whether it’s my subliminal mind talking to me or some hypothetical energy or beings that I don’t truly believe in rationally. Whatever the case, I’m still more than happy to listen!
That's the question that bugs me, when you have an experience which seems so profound, you are left questioning its validity. Was it just a drug taunting you, giving you wacky hallucinations? Was it some higher entity, communicating things that they believe we can benefit from? Or is it simply a demonstration of the awesome power and untapped potential of the human brain? As you said...either way, i'm willing ot listen.
 
Thanks guys :)

Any idea how long on average it takes for Erowid to approve reports? I sent it to them but nothing yet... Oh well :)

--- G.
 
Excellent report on a very interesting drug.

I agree about the messages, every breakthrough I learn something useful in life, normally advice. Very introspective, but not in the way on say MDMA, where you are in control and all these thoughts are just going through your brain. It is more like you are SHOWN it, not just think it. Besides.. at that point, you, yourself don't exist right? :)

I also get patterns simular to those mentioned. Very junglistic, tribal patterns is the only way to explain them. Watch the flash anim called flashback (there's gotta be a link somewhere, just search for flashback.swf on google) mentioned above for an idea on what I mean. It is actually a very common theme for the starting of my salvia trips. Everything takes on these patterns.

Erowid reports can take a day to a week.. Depends on the load. Give em a couple of days.
 
I've smoked dried salvia leaves 30-40 times but never used extracts. I do have noted that leaves may vary in the potency quite noticeably. I usually take 4-5 deep hits which is the amount makes feel that more hits could probably bring too uncomfortable effects. And yes, I normally drink some alcohol and a lot of coffee (it's my daily routine) before smoking salvia, so they surely effect too.

Only once I've had an experience that was really impressive. For a short while I could see my apartment and a small lake at the same time. The view was from a foreign land with plants not found where I live. I was fully aware that it was just a hallusination and got disappointed when the lake view faded.

My usual salvia experiences are totally different. At first I always get the "salvia feeling" which is a bit unpleasant and impossible to recall when sober. Every time I just think: "Oh this salvia feeling again." I have to confess that the mind trip (sorry for my bad English) after that usually is nothing but ridiculous a little dream-like thoughts like "Shit I'm here again in this wretched and insane fairy-tale book!" or "Naaaaaaaah my brains are covered by white and black dots!" (The only wisdom in those almost dream like visions might be that I'm a control freak taking everything too seriously :) ). I do want to experience something really spritual and not those wacky thoughts and visions, heh. Some ironic flames at me now please...

But I enjoy those nice after effects! About an hour I feel very relaxed and sedated and colours are so mellow and everything look so "clear". That might be nothing special for experienced users of psychedelic but nice for me.

This won't be a classic "report" I guess.
 
I personally think setting + 5-10x extract are essential to be blown (and i mean gone) away on the first time. The setting must be dark, also have someone with you to help you light the salvia and take away the bong after the hit. Take the hit, lay down, close your eyes, and hold in a fat rip as long as you can. Usually by the time i blow out i literally go into another world for a minute (that seems like forever). I often read reports of people doing salvia wrong and IMO these steps are essential to feel what salvia can really do.
 
Thanks for the comments - interesting to hear that I am not the only one to get those patterns or disappearing pipes! :)

BTW - it has been more than two months since I submitted my report and it is still not on Erowid :(

--- G.
 
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