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Hey everbuddy!

I know! I know! This thread has been done before but I seriously looked for similar threads and nothing came up that answered my question. So here it is...

I took Molly on August 20th with a friend of mine at my cottage. However, the buzz never kicked in. I know it wasn't the Molly cuz I've taken it before and rolled my ass off plus it had been tested. It was most likely the setting (Pourring rain out + no electricity inside + aggressive Metal music).

Literally NOTHING happened...

So I ask myself... would it be safe to roll again on September 2nd (this Saturday) at an Infected Mushroom concert? I've been taking a lot recently... and I know that after this, I'll be taking a 4 month break (well... till New Years).

Here's my history with E and Molly.

First tried it in March this year. Did it one on a Friday, one on the Saturday and did 3/4 one week later.
One month later (April 22nd) I did one cap of Molly and the Friday and 1 1/2 caps on Saturday.
Two months after that (June 20th) I did one cap of Molly
One month after that (July 20th) I did one cap of Molly

I've always respected the one-month rule (even though I know that rule is iffy) except for that first week of discovering what MDMA really is (What a week!). I know I've been taking a bit too much and don't want to overdo it. But at the same time... it's Infected Mushroom... and nothing happened last week with my Molly (so I'm guessing there was no intense dump of serotonin in my brain).

If y'all were me... would you deem it ok or safe to roll again on Saturday?

Thanks for the help, guys!
 
If you felt nothing from August 20ths experience, it seems like you need a test kit. If you aren't testing what you take, September 2nd may simply be another disappointing experience.
 
Test Kits are inexpensive and are so worth having.
Fully reccomend getting one if you havent already got one
 
Sure you CAN roll, and you probably wont feel any negative effects if its pure. Just dont make a habit of it, it just isnt worth all the shit you gotta go through after

Don't worry. I'm taking a 4 month break after and from then on will most probably start waiting about 3 or 4 months between rolls...


If you felt nothing from August 20ths experience, it seems like you need a test kit. If you aren't testing what you take, September 2nd may simply be another disappointing experience.

Read my original post again. The caps were tested and were 100% MDMA (or MDA or MDEA). It went from purple to black in maybe 1 or 2 seconds...

Test Kits are inexpensive and are so worth having.
Fully reccomend getting one if you havent already got one

I have one and I always test my shit before I consume... this was MDMA... But I'm thinking of getting one to differentiate MDMA from MDA or MDEA...
 
Yeah your safe to roll dude people abuse the fuck out of MDMA and come out fine. Won't be permanent, that's for sure.

Asking whether its a good idea and whether or not its safe are 2 totally different questions, though.
 
Good idea? I know it is. It's an Infected show...
Safe? I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I'm aware that some people abuse Molly. Some every weekend, some every day (ugh!). I'm nowhere close to taking that much, but I still don't wanna' mess with my serotonin too much...

And I know that the safest place to ask is Bluelight.
 
Yeah your safe to roll dude people abuse the fuck out of MDMA and come out fine. Won't be permanent, that's for sure.

Asking whether its a good idea and whether or not its safe are 2 totally different questions, though.

A lot of people abuse MDMA and DON'T come out completely fine. OP, disregard this as abusing MDMA, from what I understand, its a horrible, horrible thing and the recovery time is not worth the few extra irresponsible nights of fun.

Consider having a drink or something? It is likely you'll be able to see Infected Mushroom again and you can preplan so you won't be abusing when you roll at such an event. The night iwll likely give you memories but you don't want a hangover, much less one that lasts a long time.
 
develope a taste for mdma and know your product.

we cant test your product via gcms. and knowing is half the battle. read the FAQ
 
Well, yeah, that is kind of a lot of E to take in a span of just six months lol. I've taken rolls before and felt absolutely nothing as well, but then taken the same roll a month later in a different setting and felt it just fine. I definitely think it's effects do have a lot to do with setting. And Infected Mushroom is badass, so you'd probably have a pretty good one!

If you say you have a test kit, know what's in it, and it's pure... then yes, it would be safe to take it. But definitely give yourself a long time after your next roll. In fact, give it much longer than just 4 months. That's really no time at all when it comes to your brain needing to repair itself. And that's exactly what your brain needs to do after you take E... repair itself.
 
Well, yeah, that is kind of a lot of E to take in a span of just six months lol. I've taken rolls before and felt absolutely nothing as well, but then taken the same roll a month later in a different setting and felt it just fine. I definitely think it's effects do have a lot to do with setting. And Infected Mushroom is badass, so you'd probably have a pretty good one!

If you say you have a test kit, know what's in it, and it's pure... then yes, it would be safe to take it. But definitely give yourself a long time after your next roll. In fact, give it much longer than just 4 months. That's really no time at all when it comes to your brain needing to repair itself. And that's exactly what your brain needs to do after you take E... repair itself.


Actually, they say it takes 1 to 3 months for your brain to replenish its serotonin reserves and for the receptors to start working right again. I just discovered E and Molly in March (2011) which is why I've been taking a bit more than I should, but after this show I'll be cutting down significantly, trying to keep it at a once every 3 or 4 months... and I'll probably take a year or 6 months break by next year... so that I don't lose the magic :).

A lot of people abuse MDMA and DON'T come out completely fine. OP, disregard this as abusing MDMA, from what I understand, its a horrible, horrible thing and the recovery time is not worth the few extra irresponsible nights of fun.

Consider having a drink or something? It is likely you'll be able to see Infected Mushroom again and you can preplan so you won't be abusing when you roll at such an event. The night iwll likely give you memories but you don't want a hangover, much less one that lasts a long time.

Drinking won't have the same effect AT ALL. Even if I'm high. Sure, I'll be into it, but I'll be crashing much faster too (and will probably wake up with a hangover anyways). This is an Infected Mushroom concert. If I am free to choose between Molly or Alcohol, there's no choice to be made, here... unless all of you feel it would be wiser NOT to pop tomorrow night...

As for the hangover, after my rolls in April, I had a 40-day severe depression. However, I had family problems, my girlfriend left me and I had probably consumed too much MDMA that time... I've tasted what a bad comedown is. This time, however, I'm aiming for an afterglow. All I need for that is a female companion lollll.

Jokes aside, I WILL be careful and will stock up on Vitamin C, Magnesium and Calcium + Vitamin D before and after the roll.
 
For people who use it sparingly, sure, it only takes 1-3 months. But you said yourself you've been taking it WAY too often... and you really have... your serotonin is probably so depleted right now it's not even funny.

You do know that the longer you abuse drugs and rewire your brain, the longer it takes for your brain to rewire itself back to normal, right? Because yeah... there are people I know who's brains are permanently fried from either too much E or too much acid. I even know a few opiate addicts who's dopamine/serotonin/endorphin levels still aren't quite back to normal after a year of being clean. :/
 
For people who use it sparingly, sure, it only takes 1-3 months. But you said yourself you've been taking it WAY too often... and you really have... your serotonin is probably so depleted right now it's not even funny.

You do know that the longer you abuse drugs and rewire your brain, the longer it takes for your brain to rewire itself back to normal, right? Because yeah... there are people I know who's brains are permanently fried from either too much E or too much acid. I even know a few opiate addicts who's dopamine/serotonin/endorphin levels still aren't quite back to normal after a year of being clean. :/


I know. It IS too much. But doing it 9 times in 6 months is nowhere close to being way too much. It's too much, no doubt about that, but I doubt that my serotonin levels are "so depleted right now it's not even funny". If this were true, I'd most probably be showing *some* signs of depression. Normally, I wouldn't hesitate to take some tonight... but given that I took some 2 weeks ago I'm wondering... But what I really want to know is if MDMA still fucked with my brain chemistry even though I felt nothing.

Is it like I took nothing at all or is it still the equivalent of if I had tripped balls?

I'm gonna' do some tonight. But after this I'm taking a long break. I know not to fuck with the machine up in my head too much and I have abused a bit. Tell yourself that some people pop E every weekend... some even pop it like candy. I've been MUCH more respectful to my brain than that.

Thanks for all the advice, though. I appreciate it. And feel free to keep pitching in your opinions :)
 
Read my original post again. The caps were tested and were 100% MDMA (or MDA or MDEA). It went from purple to black in maybe 1 or 2 seconds...

100% MDMA huh? So you sent your capsule into EcstasyData? It was tested in a lab to see exactly what was in it? A simple marquis reagent test or any type of reagent test will not tell you percentages of what is in your pill/capsule. Turning black in two seconds is most definitely not PURE.
 
I know. It IS too much. But doing it 9 times in 6 months is nowhere close to being way too much. It's too much, no doubt about that...

Okay, I'll put it this way. 9 times in six months is not way too much to you. Personally, knowing my own body and the way I react to E, to me anything more than maybe once every 4-6 months is way too much, and even that's pushing it. Everyone has a different opinion on what "way too much" really is for THEMSELVES and THEIR bodies, but at the end of the day, when you look at the way E rewires the brain, it's all relative.

...but I doubt that my serotonin levels are "so depleted right now it's not even funny". If this were true, I'd most probably be showing *some* signs of depression. Normally, I wouldn't hesitate to take some tonight... but given that I took some 2 weeks ago I'm wondering... But what I really want to know is if MDMA still fucked with my brain chemistry even though I felt nothing.

Is it like I took nothing at all or is it still the equivalent of if I had tripped balls?

The fact that you took what you're pretty positive was PURE MDMA and still felt nothing is proof in itself how depleted your serotonin already is. You felt nothing because there was no serotonin left for your brain to even release. That's why I'm saying that they're probably so depleted right now it's not even funny. No, it's not like you took nothing at all... it's actually kind of worse in a way, because the MDMA was struggling to produce serotonin that wasn't even there. The best way I can think of to describe this is that it would cause your serotonin count to go into the negatives (I know that's impossible, it's just the best analogy I could think of to describe what I mean lol.) It's not always true that you would show signs of depression if all of your serotonin levels were depleted. There are a number of different factors and chemicals and life circumstances that affect levels of depression. Maybe you just have a good life in general, or an outstanding amount of dopaminergic neurotransmitters. Or endorphins. Or oxytocin (which is more powerful than serotonin.) Just because you're not depressed doesn't mean your serotonin isn't depleted.

I know for a fact mine is, it's STILL working to repair itself (and it's been a long time since I took E), but I'm not depressed in the clinical term. The only way it seems to effect me is that I'm now far more emotional, impulsive, and I get depressed over life events that would only cause most people a day or two of feeling sad. And yes, I do know for a fact that I horribly depleted my serotonin levels.. both through DXM use and excessive use of E (and nope, I wasn't even taking it as often as you were. Just once a month, maybe every other month, for about a year and a half or so.) The first time I took E and everyone else around me was feeling it except for me, I didn't think much of it. Then it happened a second time and third time, and then I knew something was off. So I went to a doctor and a psychologist and basically found out I was on the brink of giving myself serotonin syndrome - my serotonin levels were completely and utterly shot. They wanted to put me on Prozac, but I said fuck that and wanted to go the natural route... I'm not trying to take ANOTHER drug to rewire my brain in a different way... I'd rather it heal on it's own, even if it takes longer. Although I'm not going to lie, I did use opiates to combat it for a while. But now I just exercise, eat a lot of carbs and protein, have sex as much as possible, and take fish oil, 5-HTP, and St Johns Wort supplements. It had been a few years and I was FINALLY feeling like I was getting back to normal so a few months ago I thought it would be okay to take E again. Horrible mistake. I didn't just feel "nothing"... I felt everything EXCEPT for the euphoria and normal E rush. I got the anxiety and nystagmus and grinding... just no urge to pet furry soft things or hug everyone in sight. Complete dysphoria. I almost felt numb, like I just didn't have any emotions at all, and I had to work hard to pretend I did so as not to kill my friends' highs. But everytime I laughed, it felt fake and empty. So I'm sure I set myself back quite a bit by doing that.

So trust me, it can happen, even on a smaller dose and more sparingly than you're taking it. Cause like I said, everyone's different. And if you're already taking PURE MDMA and not feeling anything.. well that's how it started for me and I wasn't even taking pure MDMA. So I hate to say it but it sounds like you're already kind of past the point of return. And if you're not already, you're probably just a pill away from being there. :/

I'm gonna' do some tonight. But after this I'm taking a long break. I know not to fuck with the machine up in my head too much and I have abused a bit. Tell yourself that some people pop E every weekend... some even pop it like candy. I've been MUCH more respectful to my brain than that.

Thanks for all the advice, though. I appreciate it. And feel free to keep pitching in your opinions :)

Oh, I know. I know people who do it twice a freaking week!! And I'm always just like what the hell, how do you do that.. but just because you know people who do it more often than you doesn't change anything. Sure, they might be fucking with their brains to the point of no return, but that doesn't mean you're not doing your own type of damage. Everyone's body and mind and brain chemistry are different. So like I said earlier, doing it 9 times in 6 months COULD BE (not saying it is for sure) just as dangerous for you as it is to the people who pop pills like candy. I mean Jesus... that's two pills every other month, and one pill every other month. Something like that. The other thing is that despite the fact that you may know people who take it ALL of the time, like I said. It's all relative. Whether you take it once a year, once a month, or once a week, that doesn't change the chemical make-up of MDMA (and whatever other nasty shit is added to the pills that you may not know about), and the way it affects your brain.

And for sure, no problem. :) Sorry if I'm coming off as crass or rude or whatever. I know it is mostly a matter of opinion. The only problem is that, with ecstasy, you don't realize the damage you've done or are doing, until it's too late. I'm glad to see that after this next roll you're going to be taking an extensive break though. You just gotta be really careful with the kinds of drugs that actually re-wire your brain, like literally, re-wire it. Stuff like benzos and opiates and E and etc. Well opiates don't exactly re-wire it... it's more like the brain just becomes lazy; it ceases to produce it's own chemicals and allows the opiates to take over for a while and act as a substitute for said. Just because it hasn't completely rewired it doesn't mean it's not still fucking with it. Do it long enough, and your brain will forget how to produce these things on it's own completely. It's the same thing with E... but worse, because it doesn't really depend on long-term use. Serotonin syndrome can happen the first time you take it or the 50th time, it just kinda hits you out of no where.

Just be safe! That's all I'm trying to get at :)
 
100% MDMA huh? So you sent your capsule into EcstasyData? It was tested in a lab to see exactly what was in it? A simple marquis reagent test or any type of reagent test will not tell you percentages of what is in your pill/capsule. Turning black in two seconds is most definitely not PURE.

Actually, I made a thread about the test... a few people said that having it go from purple to black in under a few seconds probably meant it was really good Molly. I don't know if it is or not. But I know it's MDMA. And if you argue that, then should I suspect that reagent tests are just not good enough?


The fact that you took what you're pretty positive was PURE MDMA and still felt nothing is proof in itself how depleted your serotonin already is. You felt nothing because there was no serotonin left for your brain to even release.

The first time I took E and everyone else around me was feeling it except for me, I didn't think much of it. Then it happened a second time and third time, and then I knew something was off. (...) I almost felt numb, like I just didn't have any emotions at all, and I had to work hard to pretend I did so as not to kill my friends' highs.


And for sure, no problem. :) Sorry if I'm coming off as crass or rude or whatever. I know it is mostly a matter of opinion. The only problem is that, with ecstasy, you don't realize the damage you've done or are doing, until it's too late. I'm glad to see that after this next roll you're going to be taking an extensive break though. You just gotta be really careful with the kinds of drugs that actually re-wire your brain, like literally, re-wire it. Stuff like benzos and opiates and E and etc. Well opiates don't exactly re-wire it... it's more like the brain just becomes lazy; it ceases to produce it's own chemicals and allows the opiates to take over for a while and act as a substitute for said. Just because it hasn't completely rewired it doesn't mean it's not still fucking with it. Do it long enough, and your brain will forget how to produce these things on it's own completely. It's the same thing with E... but worse, because it doesn't really depend on long-term use. Serotonin syndrome can happen the first time you take it or the 50th time, it just kinda hits you out of no where.

Just be safe! That's all I'm trying to get at :)



I don't think it's completely depleted. The last time I rolled (truely rolled) on July 20th, I had what was perhaps the greatest high I've ever had. It was incredible Euphoria. And you mention something quite interesting. You say you would fake your laughs and smiles as not to kill your friends' high. Well that's exactly how Molly works. You have to be in the right set and setting and last time I did it (August 20th) it was anything but! No electricity, aggressive music and no lights. THAT killed our buzz. I doubt it has much to do with me being out of serotonin (Maybe, but I doubt it).

And don't worry about coming off sounding rude. In fact, if I didn't know any better I'd say you were trying to scare me into not taking it anymore. I WILL be stopping after this. That's for sure. I won't take any until New Year's and that's depending on whether or not I'm feeling up to it. If in January I feel the break should be longer, then I might just prolong the break. But... this is Infected Mushroom we're talking about.

Oh ya! And another crazy point... My friend took it with me last time (August 20th) and he too felt nothing. Well... he felt a bit of a Speed high, but a weak one. And he's taken about as much as me in the last six months.

It's true, though. I admit that I have taken much. Too much. And I promised myself I wouldn't. So after this, I'll be sticking to pot brownies, Jack Daniel's and maybe the occasional Codeine if I'm having trouble sleeping. I know none of you care all that much lolll but I really want you all to rest assured that I will be taking a break.


And thanks for sharing your stories, burtonchic. I don't agree with all of it but it's still the kind of discussion I enjoy having.
 
I don't think it's completely depleted. The last time I rolled (truely rolled) on July 20th, I had what was perhaps the greatest high I've ever had. It was incredible Euphoria. And you mention something quite interesting. You say you would fake your laughs and smiles as not to kill your friends' high. Well that's exactly how Molly works. You have to be in the right set and setting and last time I did it (August 20th) it was anything but! No electricity, aggressive music and no lights. THAT killed our buzz. I doubt it has much to do with me being out of serotonin (Maybe, but I doubt it).

And don't worry about coming off sounding rude. In fact, if I didn't know any better I'd say you were trying to scare me into not taking it anymore. I WILL be stopping after this. That's for sure. I won't take any until New Year's and that's depending on whether or not I'm feeling up to it. If in January I feel the break should be longer, then I might just prolong the break. But... this is Infected Mushroom we're talking about.

Oh ya! And another crazy point... My friend took it with me last time (August 20th) and he too felt nothing. Well... he felt a bit of a Speed high, but a weak one. And he's taken about as much as me in the last six months.

It's true, though. I admit that I have taken much. Too much. And I promised myself I wouldn't. So after this, I'll be sticking to pot brownies, Jack Daniel's and maybe the occasional Codeine if I'm having trouble sleeping. I know none of you care all that much lolll but I really want you all to rest assured that I will be taking a break.


And thanks for sharing your stories, burtonchic. I don't agree with all of it but it's still the kind of discussion I enjoy having.

Haha I enjoy these types of discussions too. I'm definitely NOT trying to scare you into not taking it anymore... hey, live your life dude! I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that E isn't exactly as safe as everyone says it is. I know way too many people assume it's safe just because it's nearly impossible to OD on. A few of them are people I know in real life, and they're the types of people who don't bother with sites like Bluelight and Erowid or any other sort of research, they just do it. And it kinda scares me sometimes. To me, a drug that has the potential to completely rewire your brain so that you're depressed and a vegetable for the rest of your life is ten times scarier than a drug that's easy to OD on. So yeah. You don't seem like the type of person who's careless with their drug use, but still. Really, that's all I'm getting at is to just be careful. You'd be surprised at how many people on this site actually DO care, even if it's a stranger... if you look at the BL Shrine you'll see what I mean. Haha so don't say people on this site don't care about you or what happens to you... trust me, most of us do ;)

And no, I've had to do the "fake laugh and smile and pretend to be happy" thing quiiite a few times. It's been more than once. And it's happened in a plethora of different settings - at a rave, at a party, or just chillen. If the people around me weren't actually feeling the rolls, there wouldn't be a need for me to pretend. And whenever I would stop smiling and pretending to be happy, I'd get bombarded with hugs and "are you okay?!"s and "OMG LET ME GIVE YOU A MASSAGE/LIGHT SHOW/MENTHOL!!!" lol so I know for a fact they were all definitely feeling it! They were visibly rolling.

But honestly, I don't mind. Some of those same friends can't handle opiates. One friend of mine used to get flabbergasted if I would take three 5/500 hydro's. She'd be like, "How the hell does that not make you sick?!" Most of the drug users in my circle (luckily there's not many though... not very conducive to my recovery) prefer stimulants and get sick/hit really hard when they try to take opiates or benzos (even a very small amount like two 5/500's or a 1mg xanax). As for me, I could pop opiates and benzos all day and be perfectly fine, but I get sick when I take stimulants. It all depends on the person, I suppose.

So yeah, don't worry, I'm not trying to pressure you/scare you into anything. Just a few of the things you said were a bit alarming, not to mention the title of this thread itself which is questioning whether or not it's safe to roll lol. But like I said... you seem like a smart guy when it comes to drugs... so if you say you can handle it and that you're going to take a long break after this one, I believe ya.
 
In the end, it was an incredibly smart decision to take Molly yesterday... at least so far. I got to shake hands with Tom Cunningham (Infected Mushroom guitarist) and tell him how much I loved the band. It was seriously the best show I've ever seen in my life even though it was in a tiny venue with too many people. What a beautiful night I had.

Also, I got in a fight with my ex-girlfriend before going and said some pretty nasty things. I wasn't sure about taking MDMA last night after that, afraid that my bad mood might harm my roll... the complete oppositve happened. I forgot about the fight and spent the night dancing with a huge smile on my face! It was amazing.

But now it's all done. I'm taking a break! 4 months until my next roll and from then on, I'll be going every 4 to 6 months... maybe even take a year's break soon. Starting today (well... as soon as my hangover's over and done with) I'll start eating a better diet, exercising and treating my body with a bit more respect. Don't worry. I'll re-rewire my brain back to normal :) :P

And I agree with you that people here seem more compassionate and down to Earth than... people in real life, really. I love Bluelight for its knowledge and its amazing members. Learned a lot from here and it's nice to have a place to go when questioning things about MDMA or drugs in general. People here are usually really friendly. Sure, some are condescending, some are rude, but usually people are welcoming and nice about things. Moderators are cool too. Really nice. I didn't mean to insult BL. I love BL :P.

Anyways. Thanks for the advice everyone. I ended up having an amazing time and am taking a break now.

Peace
Love
Unity
Respect

:)
 
In the end, it was an incredibly smart decision to take Molly yesterday... at least so far. I got to shake hands with Tom Cunningham (Infected Mushroom guitarist) and tell him how much I loved the band. It was seriously the best show I've ever seen in my life even though it was in a tiny venue with too many people. What a beautiful night I had.

Also, I got in a fight with my ex-girlfriend before going and said some pretty nasty things. I wasn't sure about taking MDMA last night after that, afraid that my bad mood might harm my roll... the complete oppositve happened. I forgot about the fight and spent the night dancing with a huge smile on my face! It was amazing.

But now it's all done. I'm taking a break! 4 months until my next roll and from then on, I'll be going every 4 to 6 months... maybe even take a year's break soon. Starting today (well... as soon as my hangover's over and done with) I'll start eating a better diet, exercising and treating my body with a bit more respect. Don't worry. I'll re-rewire my brain back to normal :) :P

And I agree with you that people here seem more compassionate and down to Earth than... people in real life, really. I love Bluelight for its knowledge and its amazing members. Learned a lot from here and it's nice to have a place to go when questioning things about MDMA or drugs in general. People here are usually really friendly. Sure, some are condescending, some are rude, but usually people are welcoming and nice about things. Moderators are cool too. Really nice. I didn't mean to insult BL. I love BL :P.

Anyways. Thanks for the advice everyone. I ended up having an amazing time and am taking a break now.

Peace
Love
Unity
Respect

:)

PLUR haha I have that tattooed on my back - cherries with a banner around them that say "PLUR - from my raver days. Ahh, memories. Anyway, I'm glad you ended up having a good time!! And I'm glad the fight with your girlfriend didn't kill your roll!!

Kinda jealous that you got to meet Infected Mushroom though :o "Arabian Nights On Mescaline" is seriously one of my top favorite things to listen to while I'm high... of all time.
 
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