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hey, i have a couple of the pink chevy's for this weekend. i want to know how many i should pop and during which time intervals. ideally i would like to be 'peaking' for 5 hours. i will obtain as many as necessary for the day. i have not popped since last year, and am of medium to medium low tolerance. i weight 70kg and have popped about 60 pills over the last two years. i really want this day to be special but dont want to overdo it - i am writing this post for the purpose of harm minimisation on myself. I have tested the pink ones and a couple of mates have eaten them, they tested mdxx / speed and the mates who ate them said they peaked for approx 2 hrs. if anyone who has good knowlege of these pills could direct me as to a suitable scheme of popping throughout the day to peak for 5 hrs whilst causing least harm to my brain i would be really apreciative.

Thanks in advance. :)
 
... There's a load of DOCUMENTED methods of harm reduction for ecstacy use on this website, most of them say this;
pre/post load 5-HTP
take magnesium
take a multivitamins and omega-3's
and eat fruit and veg.

Beyond that, there is really little more in terms of safe practices you can do when you plan on eating x amount of pills to keep you buzzing for 5hrs - in most cases you brain is fairly burnt out after the initial rush, and anything extra is just dopamine stimulation and potential damage. So if you want to minimize harm, the only real option is dose once, and once only (be it 1-3 pills it matters not) and don't redose after that. This is the only surefire way to reduce the damage and after-effects mate.
 
^ MrIbis speaks the truth. Really the best way to minimise MDMA harm is by limiting your usage.

Not the answer you were looking for I know but in reality it is the truth.
 
^

This.

no one one knows your body like you so we cant tell you exactly how much to take but if you say you have a med-low tolerance i wouldn't suggest any more than 2.

Also if you haven't already checked out pillreports have a gander.

From what i've heard they're pretty clean pills and i can tell ya I'll be a happy boy if these are floating round canberra :) Have fun and party safe!
 
Good luck trying to roll economically for 5 hours... lol...

Truth is, the only substance that will do that nowadays is probably acid.

Your best bet is to start small & work your way up, and also, don't rely on the drugs so much, but focus on genuinely having a good time & being with good company.

You'd be surprised how much 'goodness' & fun is lost, sitting there waiting for the 'drugs to work'
 
How much magnesium would be reccomended?
I had 2 x 500mg amino acid chelated magnesium, and I was stilling grinding like crazy.
The night I tried magnesium, I also had 1.5 foghorns and 2.5 white hearts.
Could the acid/high dose of mdma negated the magnesium benefits?
 
hyroller said:
Good luck trying to roll economically for 5 hours... lol...

Truth is, the only substance that will do that nowadays is probably acid.
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I totally agree, took 1 pill on NYE and that's all I've had for months - acid is the way to go!

Nothing but smooth sailing over calm seas on the LSD quality and supply front...
 
^^Sometimes the magnesium doesn't make any difference, I have no idea why though. Maybe it depends on what is in the pill and what the state of your body is at the time.
 
hyroller said:
Your best bet is to start small & work your way up, and also, don't rely on the drugs so much, but focus on genuinely having a good time & being with good company.

You'd be surprised how much 'goodness' & fun is lost, sitting there waiting for the 'drugs to work'
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Quoted for truth! I myself, have only started to realize this.

Also, it's not worth redosing after about 3hrs in. Your bang for buck ratio is gone, and all you will get is a munted feeling, but not any euphoria. I suggest you dose once, and then again at about the 1hr mark. And IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TOO rail some at the 2hr mark, and call it a night.

Then again, I rolled for about 3-4hrs at a music festival the other day, (dosed, then again at the 1hr and 2hr marks) but the end was more of cruising then rolling. But that's cause I was enjoying the music and not too concerned about the drug.

Also try to have an emptyish stomach before you drop. The advice of Ibis is true, also check out ED for more information. Also I might move this ED, but I'll see what lil thinks before then.
 
awesome, thanks heaps for all your respones. in particular thankyou mr. ibis for bringing my attention to the harm protection side of things '5htp'. i searched this site for about an hr and also found an awesome thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=407429&highlight=5htp&page=3.

my plan for the day is to pop 2 1/2 at about 6, then pop 1 at 7 and then rail another 1 1/2 at 8.30 sounds good?

also, back to the harm protection stuff:

Advanc3d said:
i would say the main supplements to take would be;

1. Alpha Liopic Acid combined with Vitamin C. This is pretty good for before during and after. though studies show neurotoxicity really happens after but better be safe then sorry i guess.

2. Some sort of MAO-B inhibitor (cat's claw, Quercetin, or once off dose of 10-15mg of Deprenyl 3 hours before MDMA, this seems to effectively attentuate about 90% of neurotoxicity. i never had a problem with a high dose of deprenyl if its only once off, meaning its okay to take 15mg before mdma without inhibiting MAO-A if taken 3 weeks apart)

3. Piracetam

4. 5-HTP
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and this is the information i found from the same thread and the same poster on the said supplements.

Advanc3d said:
Piracetam
Description: Another must get supplement, Modulates Serotonin and dopamine receptors, Enhances neurotransmission, Anti Oxidant, and also potentiates all stimulants. Makes your peak feel more clean

Dosage: 3200mg before stimulant and after

5-HTP
Description: Precursor to Serotonin, increases serotonin levels

Cat's Claw
Description: Powerful MAO-B inhibitor, similar to Quercetin and Deprenyl

Alpha lipoic acid
Description: Very effective antioxidant, passes through the blood brain barrier more efficently that most other Anti oxidants.

Dosage: Pre: 300mg, during: 600mg, post: 300mg x 3

Note: there are many forms, such as stablized ones that cost a fortune. up to you which you pick. they all work the same except one would be more potent then the other. - the dosage above is for the ordinary Alpha lipoic acid

Dosage: 2 capsule of NOW brand "5000" formula of Cat's Claw 1 hour before MDMA usage and 2 after.. though dosage has to be modified if your taking Quercetin and/or Deprenyl with it
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god bless advanced.

anyway, i know i've left it a bit too late. but now that i've read all this information i feel as though it is a necessity for me to take atleast some form of precaution against brain cell loss. would any of you be able to tell me how many of these supplements i would find at my local chemist ? and how much approx it would cost me - although really price shouldnt be an issue when my brain is of concern. i will be heading to the chemist tomorrow mornign anyway, might bring a printout of the thread with me :)

thanks heaps guys.

again, thanks in advance :)
 
Whilst the pink chevy's are good compared to most others at the moment, I'd suggest double droppnig if you wanna have an awesome time. If they tested up okay, and tasted okay. They probably are. But you don't wanna take one realise it's not doing much and then miss that incredible high you were hoping for.

Take MrIbis's advice, double at the start, then let that be all. If you really feel the need have one later but I'd advise against it because you'll never get back to that ping from the double.

@hyroller "Good luck trying to roll economically for 5 hours... lol...
Truth is, the only substance that will do that nowadays is probably acid."

Mushie season is just around the corner my friend ;) the gods of the economic drug world :P
 
I'm cautious of giving any advice because I'm quite drunk at the moment. HOWEVER, it is worth noteing that for some people it is impossible (IMPOSSIBLE!) to extend the effects of MDxx (the actual high) beyond a few hours. I know a lot of people who claim to have prolonged the effects beyond this, but most of what people got at this time (2008 ) had a lot of meth in it anyway, so blah blah blah

A curious thing I did notice was that small doses last longer than huge ones, though the high would be less intense. A tiny dose of md would come up and down gradually with a mild peak, but all in all would actually last longer than a huge dose that would get very high and then rapidly plummet into horrid shitness.

IMHO The harm minimisation techniques advocated for md and amphetamines do not successfully or effectively prevent them from rooting your brain. Each time you take a pill its a bit like putting an icecream scoop into your brain and taking a bit out that you will never get back. Unfortunately despite this they feel so pleasant as to make you question what you really want out of life
 
A couple of points on supplements;

Firstly, while taking supplements may decrease some of the negative effects of MDMA, if you take large amounts of the drug or continually re-dose, neurological damage will still occur. 5HTP may even increase the risk of serotonin syndrome with large doses, and any use of a MAOA inhibitor certainly does. SS can be a life threatening situation, and even after the inital effects have subsided, general weakness and muscle pain can persist for months. Tryptophan in reasonable doses should reduce this risk as in-vivo hydroxylation to 5HTP is via a rate limiting step. However, debate exists on how effective tryptophan is compared to 5HTP as the enzyme required for conversion is irreversibly inhibited by MDMA. Taking tryptophan before MDMA should help with this. I've had unsubstantiated reports tryptophan is available at some health food shops.


Please also note that attempting to extend the duration of MDMA by altering urine pH may do little to increase the perceived duration, yet increases the toxicity of MDMA metabolites by slowing elimination.

Most of the above list of supplements are available at health food stores or herbal suppliers, with the exception of selegiline (deprenyl) which requires a prescription. Piracetam may or may not be available here. There was talk of the TGA scheduling it, but I don't think that happened.
 
awesome, yeh well im going to head to the chem/health stores around 3pm. im giong to try and obtain the 5-htp, alpha lipotic acid and cats claw. although im not sure what the cats claw does, i havent had time to research because i have assement due on sunday and am going to be away all weekend. but yeh, if any of you could specify the ideal dosage for 5-htp that would be great, otherwise ill try figure it out. thanks alto for all of your replies. have a good weekend.
 
5htp is available at health food stores (EDIT: Only in QLD) (i.e the ones with the get big quick powders, and walls of supplements and vitamins), I used 5htp for the first time last weekend.

I ate 200mg about 3hrs after getting home, and another 100mg for the next few days before bed or in the morning. I found it stemed off the really down feeling you get a few days after, but I felt ill if I took them on an empty stomach.

All in all, they seemed to help, note I did not predose with them as I've heard mixed results.
 
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^^You won't find 5-htp in Canberra mate. It is illegal to be sold in Australia except in Queensland where it requires a consultation with a naturopath.

Also many people believe that taking 5-htp the day you pop will dull the roll, I have observed this to be true.

2 more posts suspecteg and we have another A.C.T. Bluelighter!
 
Verybuffed said:
^^You won't find 5-htp in Canberra mate. It is illegal to be sold in Australia except in Queensland where it requires a consultation with a naturopath.

Also many people believe that taking 5-htp the day you pop will dull the roll, I have observed this to be true.

2 more posts suspecteg and we have another A.C.T. Bluelighter!
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While it is illegal for sale, some shops do sell it under the table if you specifically ask for it.
I asked at my local shop and I was talking to the guy for about 10mins about why I wanted it, how to use it etc.

He claims that you need some form of script from a doctor to get it but he ended up selling it to me on the spot as long as I didn't tell everyone about it.

I also told him I wanted it to help balance me out after a long weekend out, without specifically stating what I would be using, and he could see where I was coming from and I guess he knew I'd use it responsibly. Maybe ask around and use what I said?
 
perthboy said:
While it is illegal for sale, some shops do sell it under the table if you specifically ask for it.
I asked at my local shop and I was talking to the guy for about 10mins about why I wanted it, how to use it etc.

He claims that you need some form of script from a doctor to get it but he ended up selling it to me on the spot as long as I didn't tell everyone about it.

I also told him I wanted it to help balance me out after a long weekend out, without specifically stating what I would be using, and he could see where I was coming from and I guess he knew I'd use it responsibly. Maybe ask around and use what I said?
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Wow. That is dodgy as. I have never heard of that happening before.
 
Oh don't you worry when all this was going on I was like righto, you don't seem to know your stuff too well especially after he said I needed to be prescribed it
 
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