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Safe IM techniques for RC's (2c-e). Input?

Cid Vicious

Cid Vicious

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Title says it. I plan to IM 2c-e, due to other ingestion methods not being viable.

Background: We have tripped off 2c-e around 7 times now, dosages from 10mg (oral, 1st time) up to 40 mgs IR. Every experience has been IR except the first.

IR is fine at lower doses, but over 25mgs and it gets uncomfortable, almost painful on the comeup, due to vasoconstriction caused by serotonin blasting our bodies(sounds right?).

Plus, we want more of a sustained plateau, and we dont feel comfortable redosing IR.

So, long story short, we are gg to IM from now on. We can IM 20mgs, wait an appropriate amount of time (~2hrs in) and redose.

We know how to IM, guess im looking for tips, hints, experiences, whatever.

Any input would ROCK!!!
 
CH is your man. I believe 5mg was a strong experience - 2Cs are very potent IV/IM. As to technique, same as IM'ing anything I'd think. Weigh substance, dissolve in distilled water or similar, do the deed. Extra attention to sterility and cleanliness for IM use, of course.

EDIT: PD would indeed be the natural home - got a few people who have injected 2Cs :)
 
20mgs is a high dose to IM in my opinion.
If i were you id start lower. You can always take more, but you cant untake some.

A wheel filter would be the ideal way to filter it. You can find a guide in OD.
If you dont have a wheel filter at least use a cotton.

Then , as Shambles said, just IM it like you would anything else.
 
Your title says you are looking for safe techniques but your post says you know how to IM and want to hear about experiences.
I'm confused. :) Which is it?
 
The IM onset of 2C-E is pretty tense in my experience, but OK so long as you can just ride it through sitting down. 10 mg total is plenty for me, though I suppose if your tolerance is around 40 mg IR it might not be enough for you. My one attempt with 2C-E IR had a smoother onset, but the whole trip seemed more tense, whereas with IM after I get to the plateau I'm totally side effect free. I've noticed something that you might find useful, though. When I stagger a 10 mg dose, I don't do it by splitting the dose into two even 5 mg piles. Instead, I do 3 mg, then 7 around a half hour later because I've notice the transition from sober to tripping is FAR more tense than from tripping a little to tripping a lot.
 
Like others said weigh,filter,inject. As for dose 20 mgs would be a pretty hefty dose. I would atleast consider knocking it down to 15 if not 10. IM phens seem to be a pretty strange ROA but I always enjoyed it but wouldn't consider doing it often. I'm not really sure what you mean by substained plateau but I find the peak is lessened by a couple of hours compared to oral however you come up faster and I felt the actual plateau was stronger. Idk about you but IMing things IMO is kind of annoying especially if your already tripping and its a bit harder to do a perfect IM injection. It definately is far for an ideal ROA for me but it is fun to ocassionally mix things up and IM instead of oral.
 
Yeah, injecting again after you're already tripping takes some getting used to, especially if you do it while you're still coming up from the first shot. I put the full planned dose in one syringe and use the insulin units to tell how many milligrams I'm using. Then I wipe the needle with alcohol before sticking the rest in later. It should be possible to sustain and control the intensity of the peak this way easier than with other methods because it's just a quick prick and you feel the results within minutes, though it's also easier to overshoot the mark. Plus IM isn't nearly as painful as insufflation from what I've heard.
 
hahaha, yeah 5mg is an insanely high dose for IM. It was for me anyways. I was expecting something along the lines of an oral dose of 2c's, but it blew me out of the water.

I would do no more than 10mg IM'd your first dose. 5mg or less is more like it.

Remember to use an alcohol pad before injecting, and inject slowly to avoid pain. If you can micron filter that would be ideal, but I didn't when I did this.

Either way be safe and have fun! :)
 
^ I don't find 2C-C too bad nasally. 2C-E is a whole world of hurt though. Have been thinking about 2C-C IV/IM but not found anything on it yet - any input gratefully received (it's even (semi) relevant to the OP :D).
 
Shambles said:
^ I don't find 2C-C too bad nasally. 2C-E is a whole world of hurt though. Have been thinking about 2C-C IV/IM but not found anything on it yet - any input gratefully received (it's even (semi) relevant to the OP :D).
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I've broken my wrist. I badly broke both bones in my arm back when I was younger. I suffered from road rash on my bum after an accident. All those experiences hurt tremendously and so I thought I knew what pain was.

Then I snorted 25mg of 2C-E once just so I could say I had experienced it. I had no idea what real pain was until that moment. I think having a raging flood of magma pumped through my nose would be something akin to what I felt after taking that bump of 2C-E. N-E-V-E-R A-G-A-I-N.

Anytime someone mentions taking 2C-E up their nose I cringe and get phantom pains in my nostril. :shudder:
 
I had several (over a dozen) 2C-E experiences IM, and I agree that 5mg is a good starting dose. I got as high as 10mg, which was crazy mentally, but really mellow on the body. It had a different character from other routes of administration for me. It never burned for me at all.

I ended up going back to insufflation. The burn was almost paralyzing, but I preferred the more turbulent aspects of that RoA. Sort of a "losing control/diving into the storm" thing. I found 4-5mg intranasally was enough.
 
im is a really nice ROA for me. its more grounded. and if you uselikevery little water and go with start small and inject a few small dosesits really smooth. but if you accidentally hit a vein with 3mg of 2ce youreinfor it. that shit was IN-FUCKING-TENSE
 
Delsyd said:
20mgs is a high dose to IM in my opinion.
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It's TOO high! 8o 8(

I had ingested 2c-I orally at 20mgs for some time, quite often to be honest. Then I took a break. When I got to try 2c-E, I tried IMing 5mg. Trust me, you won't want to go over 5mg, 10mg if you're especially "insensitive" to psychedelics.

I have a TR you can read about here.

(I now realize I already replied about this LOL)

A wheel filter would be the ideal way to filter it. You can find a guide in OD.
If you dont have a wheel filter at least use a cotton.

Then , as Shambles said, just IM it like you would anything else.
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Yes. You also want to use soap and water on the area you're going to inject, and then use a rubbing alcohol swab in a circular motion to push anything remaining away from the point of injection. Alcohol swabs are good for IVing but are very essential for IMing, as injecting via IM is not as safe as IV. It is a good idea to micron filter (or have a pure product) if you plan on IMing. I didn't micron filter my 2c-E, but I obviously should have.
 
The second time I dosed with 2C-E it was intramuscular, at 7-8 mg. I already had some tolerance having tripped on 2C-E 1st time insufflated at around 25mg (I was dead set on a balls-to the wall-experience first time and got it) then about 10 mg of 2C-I a couple days later. I felt I underdosed at this point, but I attribute that to tolerance to some degree from my frequency. Two days later, I got tired of screwing around and getting dosed less than what I wanted and hit 21 mg of 2C-I in my thigh - vastus lateralus. It was a hellishly beautiful experience!...and I would gladly do it again at the same dose, but not a mg more without an anti-convulsant on hand. Don't think I would need at 22mg IM, but why take chances? I did this at about 9:30am knowing I had a wedding to be at 6pm. I was not driving lol. At this dose with 2C-I, I started losing it and was a little scared, but the fact that I had to get ready for a wedding in a few hours helped keep me focused...well, on something. That kinda helped me keep track of who I was. I was borderlining on ego-loss and for 2-3 minutes right when I was reaching my peak, I forgot I had taken a drug....wow! Mods, please excuse, I know the OP was interested in 2C-E, but due to the lack of info in general on IM with 2C-X in general, I still though this would be helpful. I would NOT apply this info to any of the other 2C's (serious, serious...please don't underestimate)because of variances in potency and the high dose/repsonse curve with most of them. However, with 2C-E and 2C-I, I would be okay at the same level in the right setting. I honestly could not tell you if having a goal for the day helped me keep my shit together, or was making me nearly lose it. I guess it might be fair to say i was bouncing between. I am going to try an 18 mg IM dose of 2C-E this weekend at a party and see how it goes. It's Halloween and a bunch of drunk people present (may make things difficult) are really going to push me (I'm going to be ANNIHILATED!), but I KNOW what i'm getting into. I plan to be almost done with my peak (dosing a couple hours before dark.)by the time things get too wild at the party. Not AT ALL recommended for first timers, I can't stress that enough. I'm in my mid-30's and had plenty experience with psychedelics and keeping my shit together under stress. I personally think 5-7mg IM is a pussy dose IM, but then you can't say what is right for someone else based on one person. Who knows? I might produce more MAO than you do, and that may be why 5-7mg sucks for me. I say start experimenting at 5mg and go up from there. There is a big diff between E & I so I'm dropping it down for 2C-E. 2C-E IMO is major-league shit. (although beautiful major league shit LOL). I'm pushing myself to the limit to learn something, not to have fun, per say, and I will have people watching me, and have MY appropriate meds on-hand to stop my trip in case of unforseen shit happening. Based on my experience, I would recommend to the OP that 8-18 mg is a tripping hard to balls-to the-wall range, and probably too high for beginners. If you have had a high dose before and are okay with it, go for it, just be careful and have fun.

If anyone is interested in a trip report or has questions, please let me know. I'm not an authority, but I will give you a well thought out answer and a well informed point of view at the very least.

This is my first post, so thanks to the mods and all of you that have contributed. You have all taught me quite a bit.

Edit: Error in my own post, sorry. MAO shouldn't really have anything to do with IM injection so please ignore that part.
 
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if u think IR over 25mg is uncomfortable then 20mg IM is probably way too much and will make you extremely uncomfortable.
 
I've only skimmed this thread cos I'm short on time, but I have IMd 2C-E before at 5mg. I shot it into my upper right thigh (usual IM spot for me) and found it to be only mildly psychedelic. Comparable to no more than 12mg oral. I would say sniffing 2C-_ is roughly equal to IMing it (though my experience with both is very brief) and if you insist on using the needle for 2C-_ you should IV. The rush will make it more worth it. The lackadaisical and slightly tense come-up from such a small amount of IM'd 2C-E was not worth the effort preparing and administering the shot.

As far as safety goes (Sure it's already been said as I've not read the thread+it's replies thoroughly) I would obviously test your substance before you go ahead and use it. Other than that, 2C are very water soluble, may need a little stirring but that's it. I would micron filter, because although RC's are "supposed" to be 99.x% pure, you never know. Just use a cotton if not. I did not micron filter my shot, nor use a cotton and experience no ill effects besides a trip that did not meet my expectations.

2C-E (and even I) seems the least appealing to IV/IM anyhow just too physically involved during the come-up and sometimes throughout... but I will soon be testing IV 2C-D and 2C-B.
 
transitioneer said:
I've only skimmed this thread cos I'm short on time, but I have IMd 2C-E before at 5mg. I shot it into my upper right thigh (usual IM spot for me) and found it to be only mildly psychedelic. Comparable to no more than 12mg oral. I would say sniffing 2C-_ is roughly equal to IMing it (though my experience with both is very brief) and if you insist on using the needle for 2C-_ you should IV. The rush will make it more worth it. The lackadaisical and slightly tense come-up from such a small amount of IM'd 2C-E was not worth the effort preparing and administering the shot.

As far as safety goes (Sure it's already been said as I've not read the thread+it's replies thoroughly) I would obviously test your substance before you go ahead and use it. Other than that, 2C are very water soluble, may need a little stirring but that's it. I would micron filter, because although RC's are "supposed" to be 99.x% pure, you never know. Just use a cotton if not. I did not micron filter my shot, nor use a cotton and experience no ill effects besides a trip that did not meet my expectations.

2C-E (and even I) seems the least appealing to IV/IM anyhow just too physically involved during the come-up and sometimes throughout... but I will soon be testing IV 2C-D and 2C-B.
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is the iv rush a positive rush? Most psychadelic rushes i've experienced are quite uncomfortable if they come on too hard.
 
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