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Safe drugs? Is there even such a thing?
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almost any drug can be safe (save maybe h, coke, meth, and other hard drugs), but mostly, it depends on how you use them, how often, and how you interact with the world while on them. I know its been said like 100 times in this forum already, but it depends on the user not the drug, to measure how safe it is.
bowdenta
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mepat1111 said:
even when administered responsibly, meth is going to be about as unsafe as a drug you will find. Shit, H + Heroin might be the deadliest combo i know. meth use IMO always lead to meth abuse, for atleast some time. and use H responsibly?
If it's clean heroin, and you administer properly, and have the dosage right, the worst that will happen is you might throw up and get a bad case of constipation. Meth admittedly is neuro-toxic so technically it's not safe, but if it's irregular use, and again you use responsibly, the damage will be minimal. As long as you can avoid addiction with both drugs of course.bowdenta said:
PhantomBlot
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bowdenta said:
In reality, quite a lot of people use methamphetamine without resorting to abuse. I still wouldn't call it a safe drug though.
MyDoorsAreOpen
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Ditto to the folks who say it depends on the person. Never forget that a drug experience is an interaction between two parties (the chemical and the user).
I knew a very wise, worldly lady once who cared about me very much. She had a doctorate in counseling, was very drug savvy and was, in general, pro-marijuana. She told me in no uncertain terms that this drug had the potential to completely ruin me.
I knew a very wise, worldly lady once who cared about me very much. She had a doctorate in counseling, was very drug savvy and was, in general, pro-marijuana. She told me in no uncertain terms that this drug had the potential to completely ruin me.
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^It can have the potential to completely ruin people and this should not go unrecognised. Like all drugs, there comes a few risks. I was disillusioned of Cannabis' often proclaimed harmlessness just a few months before quitting.
I have typed all of this many times now, but yes, even Cannabis abuse can ruin your life and completely change a mentally unstable person. Or over-abuse can most certainly make an otherwise mentally healthy individual into a mentally unstable hermit and magnify personal issues.
I used to laugh at the idea of being a "pot-addict" and think of those who couldn't go a day without smoking as weak-minded, or just overindulgent fuckwadds that deserved what they got. But, I was young and inexperienced back then and very, very naive.
Yes, in-comparison to other substances, Cannabis is rather benign, but, I find, if you're especially smoking from a bong and doing it all day, you will see problems arise.
I was emotionally flattened 24/7 because of how I abused weed. I'm not going to blame the inanimate substance Cannabis is, I have and will always blame myself for being so stupid, selfish and over-indulgent. But, unfortunately alot of the younger, naive kids out there are lured into this mind-set of "cannabis is completely safe", "it doesn't kill, there-fore it won't fuck you up", " you can smoke a quarter an ounce a day and still lead a functional lifestyle, "it's natural", etc... etc...
And that's where the problem lies. People need to be aware of the negatives and the positives. The whole potentials.
It's like video-games. Some people will probably laugh at this, but alot of younger adult's (and some fully grown men) lives have been completely ruined by especially MMORPG's, I'm sure the first one Everquest will come to mind.
This sort of recreational behaviour may be completely harmless to some, but to others, depending on their personality and pattern of thought, can really fuck with one's life.
I know many stoners who praise the drug, that at the same time warn others of it's psychological addictive qualities. It's not uncommon to meet someone who hasn't not smoked pot for one day in 20-30 years. And some of these people really do seem, what's the word? Burnt out.
In end, like I said before, no drug is "safe", unfortunately.
I have typed all of this many times now, but yes, even Cannabis abuse can ruin your life and completely change a mentally unstable person. Or over-abuse can most certainly make an otherwise mentally healthy individual into a mentally unstable hermit and magnify personal issues.
I used to laugh at the idea of being a "pot-addict" and think of those who couldn't go a day without smoking as weak-minded, or just overindulgent fuckwadds that deserved what they got. But, I was young and inexperienced back then and very, very naive.
Yes, in-comparison to other substances, Cannabis is rather benign, but, I find, if you're especially smoking from a bong and doing it all day, you will see problems arise.
I was emotionally flattened 24/7 because of how I abused weed. I'm not going to blame the inanimate substance Cannabis is, I have and will always blame myself for being so stupid, selfish and over-indulgent. But, unfortunately alot of the younger, naive kids out there are lured into this mind-set of "cannabis is completely safe", "it doesn't kill, there-fore it won't fuck you up", " you can smoke a quarter an ounce a day and still lead a functional lifestyle, "it's natural", etc... etc...
And that's where the problem lies. People need to be aware of the negatives and the positives. The whole potentials.
It's like video-games. Some people will probably laugh at this, but alot of younger adult's (and some fully grown men) lives have been completely ruined by especially MMORPG's, I'm sure the first one Everquest will come to mind.
This sort of recreational behaviour may be completely harmless to some, but to others, depending on their personality and pattern of thought, can really fuck with one's life.
I know many stoners who praise the drug, that at the same time warn others of it's psychological addictive qualities. It's not uncommon to meet someone who hasn't not smoked pot for one day in 20-30 years. And some of these people really do seem, what's the word? Burnt out.
In end, like I said before, no drug is "safe", unfortunately.
Diacetylus - You make a good point about MMORPG's, a good friend of mine dropped out of high school and lost contact with most of his friends for a considerable period of time after becoming 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. Anything can be detrimental to your health and lifestyle if it's over abused.
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Diacetylus, what I find attractive about cannabis is the feeling of unreality it gives. It makes the familiar seem unfamiliar and totally fresh. Things don't become part of 'everyday mundane reality' quite as easily (never jaded when you're faded 
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I find I can commit acts of incredible bravery (erm... stupidity) while on it, because it feels like it's all just a movie or a MMORPG, not cold hard reality that really matters. That's not to say I can't achieve while a stoner. But it feels like the kind of success you feel when you've leveled your ninja up, not the kind where the stakes are real and there's that little voice in your head that says 'OMG my life could've gotten harder if I'd failed at that!'
I almost never worry about anything while perma-stoned, because I feel I have the option of just not thinking about something at all. Nothing nags in the back of my mind. Cannabis is great at fending off stress. But I don't think the flip side of that needs any explanation.
I have yet to meet a professional in the field of psychology who agrees that cannabis is entirely benign.
)I find I can commit acts of incredible bravery (erm... stupidity) while on it, because it feels like it's all just a movie or a MMORPG, not cold hard reality that really matters. That's not to say I can't achieve while a stoner. But it feels like the kind of success you feel when you've leveled your ninja up, not the kind where the stakes are real and there's that little voice in your head that says 'OMG my life could've gotten harder if I'd failed at that!'
I almost never worry about anything while perma-stoned, because I feel I have the option of just not thinking about something at all. Nothing nags in the back of my mind. Cannabis is great at fending off stress. But I don't think the flip side of that needs any explanation.
I have yet to meet a professional in the field of psychology who agrees that cannabis is entirely benign.
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Personally I consider all drugs except alcohol, PCP, and methamphetamine to be harmless when used recreationally in a responsible manner.
that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. how is alcohol, when used in a responsible manner, dangerous while cocaine is harmless? and there's no way way that drinking a couple of beers is more dangerous than a mushroom trip.
The seeker, I believe he is talking about how it effects your body systems like alch damages youre liver PCP METH AND MDMA hurt your brain maybe... Coke is also bad for your heart I guess but if used in moderation and not binged on for hours and hours line after line coke can be ok...
I couldnt have said it better myself, there are drugs that are truly harmful to your body. However if Self Control and Knowing your body are the safest ways not to get fucked up on drugs. I think that a lot of people will agree with me on that Whatever damn this post I just made sucks ass... I keep nodding out haha good times.CorkedYeti said:
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but im saying the exact same is true for alcohol. if you only drink 2 or 3 beers once a month, it's not going to permanently damage your liver. therefore i dont understand how alcohol can be an exception to the so called harmless drugs. there's simply no way that cocaine used in a responsible manner is harmless but alcohol used in a responsible manner is harmful.
Tokey-tokerson
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Technically there is no safe anything. Even just sitting here I'm getting closer to death.
bRiSvEgAs4lIfE
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For me personally, only three drugs are dangerous; nicotine, alcohol and meth. That is because they are the only drugs I abuse, shit I smoke 2 packs a day and shoot about a ball a week.
That isn't to say i don't use other drugs, I quite enjoy acid, shrooms, mdma, valium and even a little H every once in while, they are all relativally safe for me though just because I don't use them often.
Any drug is potentially dangerous, expecially pot, I have a few friends who spend thier lives in and out of mental wards because of it, any one who thinks the shit is safe needs to go to thier local hospital with a mental ward and ask to see a patient with weed induced schizophrenia, it isn't a pretty sight. I do realize most of the time there needs to be an underlying condition for weed to bring it out, but most of the time the patients don't realize they have any pre-existing condition until weed brings it to the surface.
Just my 2c's though.
That isn't to say i don't use other drugs, I quite enjoy acid, shrooms, mdma, valium and even a little H every once in while, they are all relativally safe for me though just because I don't use them often.
Any drug is potentially dangerous, expecially pot, I have a few friends who spend thier lives in and out of mental wards because of it, any one who thinks the shit is safe needs to go to thier local hospital with a mental ward and ask to see a patient with weed induced schizophrenia, it isn't a pretty sight. I do realize most of the time there needs to be an underlying condition for weed to bring it out, but most of the time the patients don't realize they have any pre-existing condition until weed brings it to the surface.
Just my 2c's though.
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Coolio said:
sorry but that sounds like bullshit. can you show me one source that says drinking one single drink causes liver damage and brain damage? and as for cannabis causing no damage of any kind, thats not accurate either:
The toxicity of marijuana has been underestimated for a long time, since recent findings revealed delta9-THC-induced cell death with shrinkage of neurons and DNA fragmentation in the hippocampus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...tool=iconabstr&query_hl=5&itool=pubmed_DocSum
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Ashtonmuffin
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Ketamine I think is pretty safe, but you have to consider things like what you are doing while intoxicated. I mean, driving on it isn't going to end well, at least not for me but if you're just chillin somewhere it's pretty safe and more difficult to OD on than opiates or something.
DarksidePharmacist
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Everybody so far that has said weed has overlooked the fact that smoking it puts you at risk of various lung conditions including emphysema. Any underlying psychological problems such us undiagnosed schizophrenia may also be exacerbated. The carcinogenic properties of cannabis is still under scrutiny.
Even aspirin can cause problems in some people. It can lead to asthma attacks in asthmatics, and cause Reyes syndrome in children.
And concerning meth and heroin - yes they may be able to be administered relatively safely, but i think their potential for physical and psychological dependence is something that would make these substances unsafe.
Off the top of my head i cannot think of a single drug that does not have some kind of possible negative side effect. But then again, it is possible that my laptop battery could spontaneously explode while im typing this, causing me injury. Is ANYTHING absolutely safe?
Even aspirin can cause problems in some people. It can lead to asthma attacks in asthmatics, and cause Reyes syndrome in children.
And concerning meth and heroin - yes they may be able to be administered relatively safely, but i think their potential for physical and psychological dependence is something that would make these substances unsafe.
Off the top of my head i cannot think of a single drug that does not have some kind of possible negative side effect. But then again, it is possible that my laptop battery could spontaneously explode while im typing this, causing me injury. Is ANYTHING absolutely safe?