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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

Would suck to be a Ukrainian male in Europe right now




Haha...yesterday they(ukranians)change their ambassador(male) and bring it back to "serve the country".Now they put some low level actress(same as Zelensky)on his place.This country is a hellhole.....Thank u "Deep State" of U.S.&friends.Perfect plan to achieve their goals...longtime work to do that......but the plan goes somewhere wrong....and now what?Through war to peace?That's it?How would end this?Who fire this shit and who put fuel in fire instead water?Obssession,frustration,anger&pain.....No....nothing is like before&never will be...ye peace to all of ya.....till u don't know the war from first hand u cannot evaluate peace really.Hope dies last.
 
Those profits were being made before the sabotage of NS, as I already said, since one of them wasn't operating and the other one was operating at something like 10% capacity. Blowing up an allies pipelines to gobble up some business that you already have, doesn't quite add up to me. If Putin didn't invade, he would be making those profits. He miscalculated, its really that simple. He thought his stranglehold over the EUs energy supply would mean there would be no united response, and he was wrong. He thought Ukrainians wouldn't fight back, he was wrong.

And did the US did benefit in some way because of this? Yes. But nordstream didn't have to blown up for the pieces to fall that way. And still, I am convinced that with all the other baggage and tension that comes along with a crisis like this, world leaders would have much preferred none of this to happened at all, and for business to continue as usual.
What a shit ?Sorry man.Putin protect his people.Half of these country are russians.This is civil war hide behind words of invasion.If Putin did not invade Ukraine-they would invade Luhansk&Donetsk regions-just days after that.Those people there are killed 8 years by nazi groups.They shelled hospitals,civil objects and so on for eight years!!!!Where the world was at that time?This state Ukraine broke all peace deals.This government toke power after coup-"Euromaidan"-2014.It's not legitimate government.Theybsuspend all other political parties.....fuck it's dangerous to talk on russian in Ukraine.They can kill u for that literally.Do u know that?Regime of Putin is brutal,but essential for the surviving of Russia like a state.Regime in Ukraine is far more brutal.....all this talks about democracy are just shameless lies.What kind of democracy is that to destroy monuments of great russian artists?To forbid people to talk on their language.It's total false-same shit like ex-Yugoslavia....like our problems with so called rep.of North Macedonia.Where u live-Canada,West Europe......come close my friend.Live some decades in the East.How would end this?Just asking......No more war.No more weapons.Not tolerating neo-nazis.....fuck....just talk to the wind.Useless.Be happy whereever u are
 
What a shit ?Sorry man.Putin protect his people.Half of these country are russians.This is civil war hide behind words of invasion.If Putin did not invade Ukraine-they would invade Luhansk&Donetsk regions-just days after that.Those people there are killed 8 years by nazi groups.They shelled hospitals,civil objects and so on for eight years!!!!Where the world was at that time?This state Ukraine broke all peace deals.This government toke power after coup-"Euromaidan"-2014.It's not legitimate government.Theybsuspend all other political parties.....fuck it's dangerous to talk on russian in Ukraine.They can kill u for that literally.Do u know that?Regime of Putin is brutal,but essential for the surviving of Russia like a state.Regime in Ukraine is far more brutal.....all this talks about democracy are just shameless lies.What kind of democracy is that to destroy monuments of great russian artists?To forbid people to talk on their language.It's total false-same shit like ex-Yugoslavia....like our problems with so called rep.of North Macedonia.Where u live-Canada,West Europe......come close my friend.Live some decades in the East.How would end this?Just asking......No more war.No more weapons.Not tolerating neo-nazis.....fuck....just talk to the wind.Useless.Be happy whereever u are
Okay, tell you what, you gather your thoughts, pick your three strongest arguments, add some paragraphs and a space after each period, and I promise I will respond honestly, and to the best of my ability. But this is just a gish galloping mess.
 
I could tell u exactly the same about ur writings.Exactly the same.U are foreigner to the situation mister.I look upon this conflict years ago.....I got sources from both sides.I got brain(🧠 still).The War is fueled and founded by ur country probably years ago...this trap,that they carefully designed...all cover with lies&misinformation.Canadian a?U.S.?Not from near for sure......i bet upon this.....only listening how u talk......No sence...live with ur reality&believe in this shit....if this makes u happy☹️☹️☹️...
PS.....seems to me,that u are not a dumb at all,vut somehow don't wanna see the truth?Listen about ur comment about terrorist act made by CIA or MI6 avout gaspipe....yes one pipe was empty-nord stream 2&the other with limited about 20 percent gas flowing...what's that relate wirh the fact,that is sabotage to kneel Germany,to stop xheap energy,that build Germany like locomotive of EU....they were hold by russians in submissions like that...well now they are hold by U.S. and bying expensive liquid gas.Europe is now just a colony of U.S.....'cause U.S. needs a war somewhere to keep their economic alive...Do u know how much is debt of U.S.?They are close to default my friend...to collapse....and bring the rest of global population to the void of hyperinflation,recession.....and in worst case nuclear anihilation.Are u stupid?No-u are smart i think.Are u blinded from propaganda?Possible.....but may be u are just Polish Canadian and hates Russia.. like most of polish.IDK.....all i want is peace!Now is global mess&the end could be very close.The final cut....vut u are far....can just go outside&buy pink strawberry 🍓 or golden apple from dispensary..... And i can go insane day by day.....that's a destiny too.
 
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Zelensky the neo-nazi orders the bombing of Poland trying to play it off as Russia trying to start WW3 and now he wants to bring the whole world into his country's conflict and sees his countrymen as nothing more than cannon fodder for another forever war while he and the missus live life in luxury and have a foreign homes to retreat to if the situation gets too dangerous and put on a bit of political theatre to make the ill-informed masses fawn over him. Zelensky can just fuck straight off, anyone in support of this guy is supporting an actual fascist. He's outlawed Orthodoxy, he's suspended all opposition parties indefinitely, can anyone on the left, who claim to be a so called "ardent defender of democracy" see that this guy is up to no good?

 
The left doesn't know what the fuck it is doing. It's incredibly amusing, watching people are who supposed to be by all historical standards 'anti-war', falling over themselves to support the transfer of money and weapons into a conflict zone instead of trying to find a peaceful resolution. They have actually aligned themselves with the very darkest souls of our ruling class, with the military industrial complex, and they can't see it :LOL:

"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony"
 
All that billions....part of that money is probably stole without any traces from Biden&co....others are stolen from millitary junta in Ukraine..all see for what a corruption we talk about.Ordinary boys caught on the street are send directly in Bahmut.They haven't enough ammo 'cause of thefts.Millitary commanders there just ask"Bring fresh meat"-that's how literally talkin' avout this guys-meat.American ccordinator there was said,that average lifespam of this boys are FOUR minutes...in Bahmut....now Ukranians are with collosale scale victims-hundreds a day....from 250 to 500 everyday.....and they talk about offensive?!?The history would judge the guilties of this horrible crime......if there left history....never expected in my life to witness such things."There would be many strange things in the sky.....from "Apocalypse book"......five minutes-50 thousand dead after earthquake in Turkey(unofficial statistics-a lot more).See whats happened to the planet?.....and they play War games....some far in luxury.....but the poor dies in the trenches-russians,ukranians...call'em what u like.How could i feel comfort....upper my dose....fuck it!Now would drink some wine....to calm down a little bit.Nobody's good around man.That is mass insanity.Am i dreaming a bad dream.....dream a bad reality....dream a bad dream too.But fuck...let's hope....for a miracle.....who can pray let's pray.I can't.....I wish i could🙏✌️🆘⚠️☮️☮️☮️
 
Those profits were being made before the sabotage of NS, as I already said, since one of them wasn't operating and the other one was operating at something like 10% capacity. Blowing up an allies pipelines to gobble up some business that you already have, doesn't quite add up to me. If Putin didn't invade, he would be making those profits. He miscalculated, its really that simple. He thought his stranglehold over the EUs energy supply would mean there would be no united response, and he was wrong. He thought Ukrainians wouldn't fight back, he was wrong.

And did the US did benefit in some way because of this? Yes. But nordstream didn't have to blown up for the pieces to fall that way. And still, I am convinced that with all the other baggage and tension that comes along with a crisis like this, world leaders would have much preferred none of this to happened at all, and for business to continue as usual.
You seem naive.
 
The left doesn't know what the fuck it is doing. It's incredibly amusing, watching people are who supposed to be by all historical standards 'anti-war', falling over themselves to support the transfer of money and weapons into a conflict zone instead of trying to find a peaceful resolution. They have actually aligned themselves with the very darkest souls of our ruling class, with the military industrial complex, and they can't see it :LOL:

"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony"
Personally, I find those facts you state, disturbing -its not in any way a 'win' for the right - it's a loss for fukin' everyone! The antagonism of party divides has played into the hands of elites - both right & left. These divides have been engineered. You're also being fucked, doesn't matter which side you take.
 
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You seem naive.
I can't read that article because there's a paywall. But the subtitle seems to confirm what I said 'The US sent nearly three quarters of all its liquefied natural gas to Europe in the first four months of 2022, up from one third last year.'
Meaning, the US already took Putin's share in Europe's energy market, before the nordstream explosions. So Idk was there supposed to be something in there that contradicted what I said? If there was, and you really want me to know about it, you're going to have to copy and paste it or take a screenshot or something. Because I'm not paying nor do I even want to bother trying to circumvent a paywall at bloomberg of all places.
 
The left doesn't know what the fuck it is doing. It's incredibly amusing, watching people are who supposed to be by all historical standards 'anti-war', falling over themselves to support the transfer of money and weapons into a conflict zone instead of trying to find a peaceful resolution. They have actually aligned themselves with the very darkest souls of our ruling class, with the military industrial complex, and they can't see it :LOL:

"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony"
I can only speak for myself. But I think the wars, most people are against, are the needless ones. A lot of the middle eastern wars? Needless. Vietnam? Needless.
War is bad. Yes. Does that mean submit to Hitler? No. Sometimes you do have to fight, or in this case, help your allies who want to defend their homeland. Especially when there's a power out there thats already at war with us, and that is banking on the fact that we lose interest or start squabbling amongst ourselves. Things are rarely black and white, but this conflict is one of the least ambiguous we've seen in a long time.

And drop the left-right stuff already. Caveman tribalism, playing right into Putin's hands.
 
Personally, I find those facts you state, disturbing -its not in any way a 'win' for the right - it's a loss for fukin' everyone! The antagonism of party divides has played into the hands of elites - both right & left. These divides have been engineered. You're also being fucked, doesn't matter which side you take.
I can only speak for myself. But I think the wars, most people are against, are the needless ones. A lot of the middle eastern wars? Needless. Vietnam? Needless.
War is bad. Yes. Does that mean submit to Hitler? No. Sometimes you do have to fight, or in this case, help your allies who want to defend their homeland. Especially when there's a power out there thats already at war with us, and that is banking on the fact that we lose interest or start squabbling amongst ourselves. Things are rarely black and white, but this conflict is one of the least ambiguous we've seen in a long time.

And drop the left-right stuff already. Caveman tribalism, playing right into Putin's hands.
I'm neither left nor right. I haven't considered my position to be either since my teens over twenty years ago, when I felt aligned with liberal left wing thinking.

And there is no qualifier here. You either against war, or you're not. You don't get to pick and choose according to your belief system. If everyone flat out refused to fight in wars then we could just shove all the politicians, bankers, and hidden power players into a ring and watch them duke out it instead. Wars can only happen, like everything else, with your approval. If they decide to enact conscription at jail or pain of death, then so be it. Let them imprison or kill everyone like the deranged entitled toddlers they really are at heart.

All of the wars from the 20th/21st century have been pointless, because they have all been contrived. You just don't know it. The British establishment is largely responsible for the majority of it, including both world wars. That's an unpalatable and disturbing truth, especially for British people who think we're the good guys, but it is true. Hitler wouldn't have come to power if it wasn't for the conditions we created by the first world war, and subsequent aftermath of it.

And nothing has changed. Guess who's behind this bullshit with Russia? Everyone points to the USA, but in actuality it is the British establishment pulling the strings. We are the masters of propaganda, of intelligence (five-eyes), masters of espionage and the dark arts.

It was MI6 and the CIA over a decade ago doing their thing in Ukraine that set the internal stage in Ukraine for what we see now, and the British establishment more generally coordinating NATO etc to create the circumstances that led Putin to do what he has done. Not that Putin himself isn't just playing a role, being a WEF young global leader of course.

You're right. It is black and white. Because it's all bullshit.
 
I'm neither left nor right. I haven't considered my position to be either since my teens over twenty years ago, when I felt aligned with liberal left wing thinking.

And there is no qualifier here. You either against war, or you're not. You don't get to pick and choose according to your belief system. If everyone flat out refused to fight in wars then we could just shove all the politicians, bankers, and hidden power players into a ring and watch them duke out it instead. Wars can only happen, like everything else, with your approval. If they decide to enact conscription at jail or pain of death, then so be it. Let them imprison or kill everyone like the deranged entitled toddlers they really are at heart.

All of the wars from the 20th/21st century have been pointless, because they have all been contrived. You just don't know it. The British establishment is largely responsible for the majority of it, including both world wars. That's an unpalatable and disturbing truth, especially for British people who think we're the good guys, but it is true. Hitler wouldn't have come to power if it wasn't for the conditions we created by the first world war, and subsequent aftermath of it.

And nothing has changed. Guess who's behind this bullshit with Russia? Everyone points to the USA, but in actuality it is the British establishment pulling the strings. We are the masters of propaganda, of intelligence (five-eyes), masters of espionage and the dark arts.

It was MI6 and the CIA over a decade ago doing their thing in Ukraine that set the internal stage in Ukraine for what we see now, and the British establishment more generally coordinating NATO etc to create the circumstances that led Putin to do what he has done. Not that Putin himself isn't just playing a role, being a WEF young global leader of course.

You're right. It is black and white. Because it's all bullshit.
Well I don't know much about British politics but I do know that this war, the one happening right now, will go on, whether we continue to support the defenders or not. Only real difference is, what message it sends to other powers with itchy trigger fingers. Fill in the blanks with whoever the hell you want.

Yeah MI6 the CIA whatever man. My primary concern is that Ukraine gets the help it needs to defend itself, against the foreign invaders. And I don't think there's anything contradictory about holding a position like that, while also holding a position like, the war in iraq was a mistake. War isn't just a battlefield, its an extension of politics by other means. The politics in question here is the destruction of the Ukrainian state. If Ukraine doesn't accept war, it will perish, if Russia doesn't accept war, the war will end. The defenders don't have the luxury of just turning it off. Only Putin can do that.

There's been lots of evils in the history of the world. I just don't see that as a reason to accept this evil. This is a thread about the Russo-Ukranian war after all. If you want to talk about the cia, the fbi or the illuminati or whatever, why don't you make a thread for that? Maybe in the dive?
 
There's been lots of evils in the history of the world. I just don't see that as a reason to accept this evil. This is a thread about the Russo-Ukranian war after all. If you want to talk about the cia, the fbi or the illuminati or whatever, why don't you make a thread for that? Maybe in the dive?
No. I'm not going to allow you, or anyone else, to try and shoehorn this discussion into a narrow band of perspective that excludes legitimate reasons/context of this event. The western meddling in Ukraine is central to why this whole situation exists.
And I don't think there's anything contradictory about holding a position like that, while also holding a position like, the war in iraq was a mistake.
Mistake. Haha. Oh sweet summer child..

It was not a mistake. It was a deliberate, calculated, and premeditated plan of action that was outlined before 9/11 even happened. A conspiracy, if you will.

At this stage in the game you really are missing a few jigsaw pieces if you still put these sorts of things down to "incompetence".
 
No. I'm not going to allow you, or anyone else, to try and shoehorn this discussion into a narrow band of perspective that excludes legitimate reasons/context of this event. The western meddling in Ukraine is central to why this whole situation exists.

No, it isn't. And I've already explained why. We're just going in circles at this point. No amount of 'meddling' could have possibly created the Maidan. The scale was unbelievable and the people had valid reasons to be upset. Yanukovych lied about what he was going to do, made a deal with Putin and pulled out of the eu association agreement at the last minute, and again he promised he was going to sign it during his election. Thats Putin meddling not western meddling.

Or maybe you are talking about nato and alliances/influence in general? Been over that already too. Every nation should have the right to choose its own allies. Ukraine isn't just some tree blowing in the wind. Its compromised of people with their own thoughts and feelings. And their feelings are overwhelming anti-Russian right now. Rolling into countries with tanks really makes the people there hate you ( US knows this very well). Remember the Holodomor? The Ukrainians were under Moscow's boot within living memory, and suffered for it. They don't want to return there, and I don't blame them.

Ukrainians, of their own free will, want to be part Europe, not Russia and right now they are getting slaughtered for it. And again I'm not sure exactly which string you are pulling at here but just a reminder that nato never promised not to move east. You can't find it signed on any written agreement anywhere and even Gorbachev said so on a TV interview. It was talked about but never agreed.

Mistake. Haha. Oh sweet summer child..

It was not a mistake. It was a deliberate, calculated, and premeditated plan of action that was outlined before 9/11 even happened. A conspiracy, if you will.

At this stage in the game you really are missing a few jigsaw pieces if you still put these sorts of things down to "incompetence".

Whatever man, you don't like the word mistake? I mean the war shouldn't have happened. You had just previously said:

The left doesn't know what the fuck it is doing. It's incredibly amusing, watching people are who supposed to be by all historical standards 'anti-war', falling over themselves to support the transfer of money and weapons into a conflict zone

So I was explaining why the rationale is different between the two wars. Was it a conspiracy that was planned before 911? I don't know. But if that was the case, it would only prove my point further. That illustrates even more clearly how somebody could be opposed to the invasion of Iraq while supporting the defense of Ukraine. So... thanks. I guess.
 
Ukrainians, of their own free will, want to be part Europe, not Russia
Ah yes, the 'population is an amorphous mass that absolutely supports EU membership'. Last sighted in the UK, prior to the Brexit vote.

This statement is so ridiculous it doesn't even deserve a response to be honest. Not least because there is no such thing as 'free will' in a nation that is strategically important for the Anglo-American empire. This is precisely why the CIA and MI6 meddling is relevant, because that's precisely the sort of shit they do and historically have been demonstrated to do. To influence political process in target nations, then support 'transitions' with money/weapons/intelligence. That's pretty much there role and always has been, to advance the interests of the imperial empire overseas.

You may counter that with Russia doing the same, which whilst true is an order of magnitude less relevant than two nations that are separated from the nation in question by thousands of miles. The UK and USA have absolutely no business interfering in Ukraine. Russia on the other hand has a legitimate interest in keeping the two nations politically aligned, as opposed to what we have now which is a proxy state of the UK/USA that is deliberately trying to start a wider conflict.

Going back to the original point, don't even try to claim that all Ukrainians think alike. That is absolutely ridiculous.
 
The left doesn't know what the fuck it is doing. It's incredibly amusing, watching people are who supposed to be by all historical standards 'anti-war', falling over themselves to support the transfer of money and weapons into a conflict zone instead of trying to find a peaceful resolution. They have actually aligned themselves with the very darkest souls of our ruling class, with the military industrial complex, and they can't see it :LOL:

"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony"
Very true. Leftists or neo-leftists have proven yet again and throughout history how they are actually racist, hateful, and bigoted despite the false revisionist history of the 1619 project and other nonsensical false claims, and claims of how they are being "anti-racist".
 
Zelenskyy, the little olive drab bitch of the USA who gets to play Warlord in Kiev after a super-rich Ukrainian oligarch made him famous years earlier and the US government recognized him as a supremely pro-Western puppet defending their imperial interests, no matter how bloody.

Are there still opposition parties in Ukraine that Zelenskyy has not yet banned, or independent news channels that he has not yet state-controlled? It's such a brainfuck of the mainstream media that they paint us Ukraine as a 'democracy' nonstop every fucking day.

I ask myself every day how stupid the general public is, swallowing this and all the other nonsense 24/7 with euphoric glee, like they're addicted to any bullshit that makes them feel morally superior, no matter how idiotic or self-defeating .

Politicians all over the US and world pay homage to the Ukrainian colors, even Biden, despite his Alzheimer's, still manages to wear a blue yellow tie. Yet, their solidarity means nothing but empty words.

If Biden were really concerned with the suffering of the civilian population in Ukraine, he would have to travel to many other war zones in the world in addition. But that is not happening because the Biden regime is pursuing very specific goals in Ukraine: proxy war against Russia, increasing American arms exports, opening up resources for American corporations and expanding the US sphere of power. The involvement of his son, Hunter Biden, in deals with Ukrainian oligarchs also certainly plays a role in this unusually high level of interest in a failed state somewhere in Eastern Europe.

May I introduce: Vitali Klitschko, professional boxer, who rose to become mayor of the Ukrainian capital after the bloody Maidan uprisings in Kiev, which were sparked by Western NGOs. Klitschko still holds the post of mayor of Kiev to this day. His understanding of diplomacy: "Russians are not human, they all have to die." The scheming cunt and American diplomat Victoria Nuland just affectionately calls him "Klitsch". Now her "Klitsch", like all the other extremely serious people in the Ukrainian leadership, is demanding phosphorus bombs from the West, in addition to warplanes and submarines. Should we entrust phosphorous bombs to a Ukrainian neo-mazi who apparently boxed away his few innate brain cells?
 
Ah yes, the 'population is an amorphous mass that absolutely supports EU membership'. Last sighted in the UK, prior to the Brexit vote.

Look at the polls, its 90%+, not the 55% or whatever Uk polled prior to the vote. Obviously not everybody feels that way, or to the same degree. Its called statistics. The state of the UK and Ukraine, and their relationship to mainland Europe are complete opposites and not even comparable

CIA, M16 blah blah blah

I don't care.


Going back to the original point, don't even try to claim that all Ukrainians think alike. That is absolutely ridiculous.

I never said that, and I never would. There are always outliers, always! But it is a super-majority. An incredibly high majority. The only kind of unity you can get from a foreign invasion.

So lets give the 5% of the population what they want, which is domination and destruction, so that Russia, a nuclear armed country, feels safer. Yeah, I just don't agree with that. Sorry.
 
I never said that, and I never would. There are always outliers, always! But it is a super-majority. An incredibly high majority. The only kind of unity you can get from a foreign invasion.
You mean like, when a government declares martial law and takes full control of the state machinery, including information management which includes polling..

Are you high? Polls in non-war situations are never an indication of what the public really thinks but what the state/poll controller wants the public to think. They are there to influence public opinion, not gauge it. What do you think that means in a war situation lol..

Even if the public supposedly voted a more modest 40/60 split, do you think the government would actually allow that poll to be published in a war situation? No. It's one way traffic in information management during war, because all wars require propaganda to maintain them.

There is no way it is 90%. Not a chance in hell.
 
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