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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

this is pretty funny that @-=SS=- is being accused of being a nazi

he wouldn't be sympathetic towards moscow if he was a nazi.....cmon guys - just stop already with these wild accusations - it doesn't even make sense beyond the double S's
 
-=SS=- said:
It's really not an oversimplification. It is demonstrable. And your take is unbearably naive. With covid it is beyond doubt, demonstable, provable in a court of law that the media have been towing one narrative..
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Show me one mainstream narrative, and I'll show you the opposite.

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and by media that includes all mainstream and all social media platforms.
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you're lumping anything and everything into one unified entity, again.

-=SS=- said:
Claims that people like me were making 2 years ago are only now beginning to even be allowed into discussion.. now that the damage has been done and it doesn't matter any more.
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show me one thing that you weren't allowed to discuss, and I'll show you where it was being discussed.

-=SS=- said:
The media have used almost the exact template every time, been caught pushing demonstrable bullshit (for which they never retract or apologize), etc.
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show me one media company that used a template, I'll show you ten that didn't.

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There is no boundary between the giant industries (weapons, pharma), the ruling class, the government, and the media. It's all one big cesspit.
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Again wrong, consistently though. There's thousands of weapons, phama and media companies, hundreds of governments, with overlapping and some times conflicting interests.

That fact that you view them as a unified entity with no boundary says everything we need to know about how you see the world.
 
Our sweetie pie said:
It's like every country looking at the other wondering exactly what cards they're holding. I keep praying for this to end. Is it really the end times ?
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I don't know that it's the "end times"... I'm sure people thought that in WW2 and post-WW2 in the cold war, and any number of other times. It does look pretty grim for the short term, though.

Now, if it does escalate to a nuclear war, maybe it is. But let's just hope it doesn't. I doubt even Putin is that crazy.
 
Well, it helps families find closure. Wherever those pictures are, people are checking them. Saw a picture of an elephant that stepped on a land mine and lost a leg. Even the animals can't live their lives without humans causing more misery. Made me wonder how difficult it would be for such a large animal to get around
 
TripSitterNZ said:
the world order has been totally ripped apart. A world war would be the west and most of asia expect north korea and china VS everybody else
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Exactly. An insightful response. It's not a world war we are getting into though. We can't afford one and there's nothing to gain if there was one.
All you're seeing is the manipulation of the masses into accepting military expansion beyond a scale seen since WW2. The narrative has been set whereby there are enemies in the world once again (that good 'ole nineteenth century chestnut where this is an us and a them somewhere in the world threatening peace for all and we must band together and wave flags and sing our anthems etc). These enemies are illusions created by the narrative to reinforce the idea that we need our governments to turn our societies into military states always on red alert regurgitating the rhetoric of politicians to inflict their will on whomever is relevant at any one time all the while pumping resources into the violence industry. The main aim of the violence industry is to control and generate profit. That control affects everybody, not just the 'enemies'. The war on terror and the war on drugs created laws that affect the home countries and the people who live in them more than the so-called enemies in 'enemy' countries. Legally you are entitled to be harassed by airport security, your privacy can legally be revoked whenever necessary, you can be arrested and detained for several days (at least here in the UK just by the police invoking the terrorism act and this requires a judge to over-rule or extend and they can extend your detention indefinitely). Your right to travel freely doesn't exist anymore despite it being a central tenet in the creation of passports which were supposedly meant to grant the bearer to travel unheeded. The war on terror brought in the excuse to suit up the cops and turn them into paramilitary outfits instead of old fashioned beat cops. They now are versed more in political maneuvering and posturing than actually solving everyday crime. This brought about the expansion of the police state. All the while we were told, promised even, there were bad guys somewhere in the world that we had to sacrifice OUR freedoms for in order to eradicate. The war on drugs is another perfect example of a war whose biggest victims were the very citizens themselves who all of a sudden became demonized and marginalized in society unlike ever before and the police could now legally come into neighborhoods and disrupt communities by having the ability to break down doors and arrest people for something simple as pot possession.

These were all expansions of state power. What makes you think this is any different? You have Australia now spending a HUGE amount of money on expanding it's military and that's a country that's never brought big guns to the table throughout history. You have Sweden and Norway joining NATO which means they too are vying for a bigger military presence on the world stage. And for what? To kill the aliens when they turn up? To kill Osama when he rises from his watery grave? Bullshit. There are no legitimate wars we have to be fighting. None whatsoever. We already know a war with Russia is futile. We know a war with China is futile, as with North Korea. We've already blown the MIddle East to shit. This isn't the 16th century. We've seen the world. We've conquered it. Our borders are firmly set and our territories carved out. The 'little' wars being fought are among countries that have ALWAYS had conflicts closer to home. Just like in Afghanistan, you'll never have a country that is in support of one political party. And that's because Afghanistan has ancient roots that stretch all the way back to it's tribal beginnings and so there's always warring tribes eyeing the seat of power. You can't just come in with planes and soldiers and magically fix that, as we saw with the failed war in Afghanistan. The very power the West tried to eradicate is now IN power. So much for the BILLIONS of dollars spent on funding that war when we were told these were just 'sand people' in the desert who can't even read or write and yet they beat the Western bully at it's own game. Fighting for territory where there are disputes about it will always happen. There's still disputes in Ireland over what side of Ireland is considered the REAL side of Ireland and most people consider Ireland and largely peaceful place. It wasn't that long ago there was a war over there. Why didn't the Russians get involved and start sending over rescue packages?

It's nothing but a power grab. We had the power grab of COVID-19 and now it's the power grab of conventional warfare everybody has been conditioned to accept as normal. You give away your freedoms in order for the world to be a safer place. And how many times have you heard that old chestnut? It should be pretty tiring at this point to have to have it forced down your throat. Then again, it should have been tiring the second or third time it was forced down our throats back when we accepted all the other narratives that led to our freedoms gradually being curtailed.

And for what benefit? Name one war or intervention in modern history that GENUINELY saved the world from a GENUINE threat? You can't count WW2. You have to go onwards from that. ZERO. NOT ONE WAR THAT WE SUPPORTED HAS EVER DELIVERED ON IT'S GOALS. And while it's made the state more powerful and it's rulers more impenetrable from reprimand, it's done nothing for you or anybody else, myself included.

It's like Facebook. You're buying into a version of the world you want to believe is true and so you act like everybody else to fit and hopefully you will convince others you are who you say you are but in the end, it's bullshit, and we all know it. The reality of what is going on is like that selfie you take when Facebook doesn't automatically butcher the original image with filters and fuckery. You know what you REALLY look like when the camera gets you in the flesh with your double chins, skin creases, warts and blisters. But you advertise a completely different version of yourself to the rest of the world. And then we desperately seek to reinforce the same delusions other people seek to reinforce in themselves.

The real world isn't Facebook. But you're being sold that it is.
POWER GRAB while the world order as you rightfully said is up in arms thanks to the chaos COVID-19 brought after the orchestrated dismantling of our societies. Now it's all about building the defenses up to keep people in and for the state to have more power. Over who though? If you think it's Putin, think again. Putin, Bin Laden, Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, Xiping, Kim. What do you they all have in common? They are all bogeymen in the Western collective psyche conjured up by generations of propaganda fired at the Western population into breeding hatred and pretenses for wars and aggression. It's never solved anything. It's just an act. Just like Facebook selfies. It's posturing, virtue signalling and priming populations into supporting simple minded narratives that there is an enemy out there trying to destroy the world.
 
Remember guys, let’s attack the arguments not the person

And by attack I mean be civil and discuss what you see as flaws in another’s argument

Please everyone take a deep breath
 
imo_incolae said:
you're seeing is the manipulation of the masses into accepting military expansion beyond a scale seen since WW2. The narrative has been set whereby there are enemies
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now it's the power grab of conventional warfare everybody has been conditioned to accept as normal.
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This manipulation thesis kinda rings hollow at the time when the largest nation in Europe is attacking the second largest nation in Europe.

It's even more ridiculous considering the universal outrage being shown in Europe, whose main goal of integration since World War 2 has been to prevent wars like this from happening again.
 
maassive said:
a) Show me one mainstream narrative, and I'll show you the opposite.

b) you're lumping anything and everything into one unified entity, again.

c) show me one thing that you weren't allowed to discuss, and I'll show you where it was being discussed.

d) show me one media company that used a template, I'll show you ten that didn't.

e) Again wrong, consistently though. There's thousands of weapons, phama and media companies, hundreds of governments, with overlapping and some times conflicting interests.

f) That fact that you view them as a unified entity with no boundary says everything we need to know about how you see the world.
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a) Show you? Where have you been for the past two years! I'll speak for my country, the UK; OFCOM hamstrung all the mainstream media platforms to tow the government/WHO line on the pandemic. You could not raise serious questions about the origins of the pandemic or whether it was as serious as was being portrayed.

b) So. The MSM and social media giants all formed a unified entity in regards to the covid narrative. Again where have you been.

c) How about a list: Origins of the pandemic, whether it was as serious as claimed, why lockdowns were bullshit for a multitude of reasons, why other treatment options were being deliberately suppressed, why vaccines rushed through in months were dangerous, how the pharmaceutical industry has a dodgy history, why masks were political and had no science to substantiate the enforcement, why social distancing was bollocks, and on, and on, and on..

d) Ok. The BBC and their coverage.

e) It's more unified at the top than you realize. You're just naive to how it really is - it is well established that corporate control is heavily centralized the further 'up' you go, and that is just taking into account shareholders/stock connections and not even touching special interest groups/secret societies that bind it further.

f) And? It says more about your naivety that you don't see it. It's a big club at the top, as George Carlin remarked.
 
Electrum1 said:
Just be thankful that it's happening while we have the most competent administration in the entire history of the United States
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Why is Biden the worst president in history? Can you explain your opinion?

There have been some REALLY bad Presidents before throughout history.
 
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Negentropic said:
Why is Biden the worst president in history? Can you explain your opinion?

There have been some REALLY bad Presidents before throughout history.
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I think Russia decided to act against Ukraine at this time because the world saw Biden's incompetent exit strategy in Afghanistan where we pulled the military assets out before the civilians (the opposite of what should of happened) which got Americans killed. Don't think China didn't notice too, which makes me think they'll go after Taiwan during this administration.

Less seriously, if WW3 does break out then I hope we draft the Women first in the name of equality so you and I can spend the war having fun on BL.
 
maassive said:
Show me one mainstream narrative, and I'll show you the opposite.
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You could not raise serious questions about the origins of the pandemic or whether it was as serious as was being portrayed.
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you could not raise serious questions about the origins of the pandemic? hmm, thats a nice 'narrative' bro

Heres a couple of random articles from 2020:

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know - Nature, 08 June 2021
U.S. report concluded COVID-19 may have leaked from Wuhan lab - WSJ - Reuters, 08 June 2021
All theories on origins of Covid-19 outbreak still ‘on the table’, says WHO - Guardian, 25 Aug 2021
Biden Reportedly Receives Inconclusive Report About Covid Origins From Intelligence Agencies - Forbes, 25 Aug 2021
WHO names researchers to reboot outbreak origin investigations - Nature, 14 Oct 2021
U.S. calls for 'transparent' new investigation into COVID origins - Reuters, 25 May 2021
China bristles at Australia's call for investigation into coronavirus origin - Guardian, 29 April 2020
Wuhan lab leak theory: Behind the science and origin of Covid - NBC News, 17 June 2020
U.S. intelligence community still investigating origins of COVID-19 outbreak, including whether it was a lab accident - CBS News, 17April 2020
Find Covid Origin or Face Another Pandemic, U.S. Experts Warn - Bloomberg 30, May 2021

This is just a small sample of 100's of articles from early to mid 2020, that show how utterly distorted the way you see the world is.

The narrative that 'you could not discuss lab-leak origins' is the narrative that you have burned into your mental, and fully depends
on ignoring any evidence that contradicts it.
 
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