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Russo-Ukrainian War v. World War 3?

MydriHaze said:
The majority law.... slipery slope..
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that's not what i'm saying.

but, if i wasn't clear, let me try to be.

ss criticizes others for not being open to the idea that they could be wrong, while stating that he couldn't possibly be wrong.

i'm guessing that the irony of that response is just lost on him but the hypocrisy is right there in black and white.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
ss criticizes others for not being open to the idea that they could be wrong, while stating that he couldn't possibly be wrong.

i'm guessing that the irony of that response is just lost on him but the hypocrisy is right there in black and white.
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Get off your high horse and join the discussion if you think I'm wrong. Add something. Challenge what I've said and quit with the sly personal attacks. But you don't. You never do. You don't have the balls to step into the discussion and actually offer something of substance. Or do you? Prove me wrong.

I'm all ears for new information or perspectives that can bring me closer to the truth.

I'd love to see you or anyone try to put forth the argument that the establishment didn't censor information (including experts) during covid, or that they didn't spend millions of our taxes on behavioural psychologist groups to 'nudge' the populations psychology, or that they didn't hamstring the MSM into pushing only the narrative they wanted. That's all proven fact, not conjecture. To this day you still can't say certain keyword combinations in regards to covid on youtube comments for example.

Go ahead. Offer something to show what I've stated is not true. Just try.
 
-=SS=- said:
Haha. Just like Covid. Anything that goes against the borg hivemind collective is deemed verboten. Absolutely pathetic. No room for debate or claims that might detract from the one-sided narrative.

The fact that people still can't see what's wrong with this stance just boggles me. Does Google have evidence to prove that Ukraine isnt' attacking its own citizens? No? Then they should shut up and just go back to being a search algorithm and not this beast mind incarnate.

People don't understand how duplicitous and messed up the British establishment is. Some people have heard the information about the CIA and the various evils they have conducted since their inception, the stuff that is declassified at least, but not many people know that the CIA was established by MI6 (or the wider context of how the British establishment conquered America). The British establishment is at the root of a lot of the evil in the world today, with the only greater evil being the masters in Rome.
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so what's your deal exactly? you use a lot of German words/phrases(nazi phrases: "Impfen macht frei", ring any bells?), are you German?
because if you're not I find you highly offensive.
no offense, but British & American people are the last people in the world we want liking us or our culture :ROFLMAO:
we don't even like us, and we're culturally obliged to hate your fucking guts, let's leave it at that, k?

and change your nickname, Jesus fucking Christ, you've obviously never been to Auschwitz and seen the videos of Totenkopf SS smashing babies against the wall because they wouldn't die from Cyanide or you wouldn't wear that disgusting name. Actually having seen any KZ would be enough. I find it highly offensive that anyone, German or not, would celebrate or even make light of this fucking madness.

stop believing everything you read on the internet.
 
-=SS=- said:
What are you on about. The SS in my username has nothing to do with the Nazi SS. SS is my initials.
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what a happy coincidence.
so how do you explain you using DEUTSCH all the time?

That's why I'm asking you if you are German, because if not, cut the crap, du Freibierlätschn

Are you telling me, you're not able to reckognize the significance of using those exact initials in combination with speaking German all the time?
I don't care if your name is Adolf Siegmund Siegbert Hitler
Being German comes with a knowledge and responsibility of what your ancestors did. Nothing about that is "cool" or "fun", and it's just fucking offensive coming from a Brit, if you are one.

If you're German I totally get it. We have to make light, or it would completely fuck us up for life.
But I do not have the impression. So cut it, please. At least cut the pretending to speak German? Dunno..
 
December Flower said:
what a happy coincidence.
so how do you explain you using DEUTSCH all the time?

That's why I'm asking you if you are German, because if not, cut the crap, du Freibierlätschn

Are you telling me, you're not able to reckognize the significance of using those exact initials in combination with speaking German all the time?
I don't care if your name is Adolf Siegmund Siegbert Hitler
Being German comes with a knowledge and responsibility of what your ancestors did. Nothing about that is "cool" or "fun", and it's just fucking offensive coming from a Brit, if you are one.

If you're German I totally get it. We have to make light, or it would completely fuck us up for life.
But I do not have the impression. So cut it, please. At least cut the pretending to speak German? Dunno..
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Dirty nationalist...
 
MydriHaze said:
Dirty nationalist...
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it's not really nationalism if you hate everything about your country, which is the status quo of being German :ROFLMAO:
I'd rather be of any other nation (xept American, sorry. Nothing against the people! But American history is even more fucked up)

Also the entire world is nationalist to a specific degree, as in: self identifies with a nation, identifies people from other nations as people from other nations.
identifies their culture as their culture, and culture of own nation as culture of self.

that is a pretty standard mindset
 
The US Mad docrtine is to nuke all enemies. if a nuclear war opens up china russia north korea india pakistain the saudis the UAE syria iran and every other muslim country will be annhilated in a nuclear holocaust by america to ensure the free world
 
TripSitterNZ said:
The US Mad docrtine is to nuke all enemies. if a nuclear war opens up china russia north korea india pakistain the saudis the UAE syria iran and every other muslim country will be annhilated in a nuclear holocaust by america to ensure the free world
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Pakistan won't, since there was just a regime change (backed by the U.S.) to a "western friendly" govt.
 
imo_incolae said:
Using that logic, do you consider your mother or someone you love a Russian troll if she/they disagree with you?
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Just to be clear, you're not a Russian troll because you I disagree with you. You're a Russian troll because, mixed within your greater word salad, you're using the same sloppy progapanda techniques [diversion, moral equivalencies, discounting, omission of facts] used by dis-informationalists.

Look like a duck, quack like a duck.
 
-=SS=- said:
Both covid and ukraine are one-sided narratives. That is just a fact of reality that no fact-checker can verify without taking a hard look at themselves and having a conniption fit of self awareness.
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I find these type of oversimplifications don't say anything at all.

There is no one narrative as there is no one 'media'. There are huge media outlets, corporate or state sponsored that can or cannot be pushing an agenda. There are thousands of other news sources, and theres literally every other person on social media that share their views, no matter how uninformed.

The 'narrative' about Ukraine (whatever that is) is not formed by some nefarious cabal, it's formed by actual events occurring.
 
imo_incolae said:
You essentially just attempted to reflect back what I said onto me. I'm seeking a genuine conversation and nobody can answer why they feel the way they do. Emphasis on FEEL, because that's all people are experiencing, FEELINGS. Nobody is stating facts. They are just saying essentially RUSSIA NEEDS TO DIE!!!?!!!

But on closer examination, they don't really know why they are saying it.

Can you explain why you hate Russia so much? And don't say because of what has recently happened because if you do, you're proving that your opinion on such a complex subject as politics can be manipulated so easily that you can go from not caring to breathing fire on demand. You didnt have this much sentiment towards Russia before, did you? Or has Russia always been a country you wake up having nightmares about? Come on. Be real. You didn't care for Russia OR Ukraine before you were told to do so.

That's not being a loyal credible citizen, that's being a sellout. If you put this into real life terms, that's you having your relationships controlled by an external force and being told when your relationships are acceptable and what you can believe about them. You like your parents one day but as soon as the controller tells you to hate them you start going on social media bashing them and promoting hateful rhetoric. But then months later you're attacking another relationship in your life while trying to play diplomat with the ties you've already severed from past skirmishes. Your opinion of your love life hangs on a dime. You're in love when it suits the controller, out of it when it doesn't. You will push everyone away in a heartbeat when told to do so. When you look at it like that, its really no different. When someone has that much power over you and your life, you're in a really serious situation. That was just an EXAMPLE by the way. I'm not assuming I know anything about your personal life and any connection to relationships I mentioned is purely incidental. But you get the point.

Yes, I do question what I'm told. And whenever I have done I've been rewarded with feedback reinforcing my decision. The world isn't how you have been told to see it. I'm sorry but it isn't. The world as people see it is a movie script sculpting over many generations of narrative spinning, manufacturing of history, planting seeds in the collective perceptions of the masses, influencing social, economical and political agendas through good 'ole fashioned manipulation. That's how your world works.

If you don't believe me, why are we the only species to have created laws for living in society? Why are we the only species to have a definition for what society is in the first place? You won't find a dog chuffing on a pipe deliberating on the sociological and philosophical meaning of dog society. Cats don't create laws around how cat world is run. So if that's true, when did our reality fall into place? And who made it? And were we involved? Are you involved in the creating of reality now in the world? Am I? Nope. So who is pulling the strings. If we can meet right now in this digital world based on no intentional desire to actually meet and talk about something we didn't create the context for talking about, what does that say about the control in place to make that happen? I mean, something pushed you to come here to talk about this. But it wasn't you. Because as stated, you can't even explain why you are saying what you are saying.

And see, you're projecting your distorted reality on global politics onto me. I think it's ALL FUCKED. I don't support any side. I would happily wipe out the idea of Putin being a world leader from peoples consciousness as much as I would Boris Johnson or Biden. I think my own government is just as much a major problem as Russia or Ukraine. I know moreover, they are, because the very existence of my government is to control me. And history has shown what the preferences are when the government gets that control. We all can relate to it because we all believe our governments don't actually serve us. We are the little guys after all. Were just helpless cattle being corralled by a rancher. And we have no real influence on what is going on. We just make noises when told to and vote with our emotions and then corralled back into the pen.

Yes, the West is evil. Or should I say, the political machinery that identifies itself as the west. The west is just a construct based on basic geography. Its nothing but a geographical reference to a particular area of landmass on a map. The landmass isn't responsible for the stories we tell each other and the shit that happens. Again, notice the concreteness in the belief of there being a West? The west doesn't exist. It only exists when we refer to the politics of the world we live in. And whose in control of the politics? You guessed it and its not you. So people believe home is what politicians have manufactured. You identify home with a political narrative, not the reality. And therein lies the problem.

I would happily make your problems go away by removing the control systems in place that imprison you and condition you into defending their existence. But that would involve removing the hierarchies in place that have existed since human civilization began. The whole world as you know it would change. All this started when clever people started to realize they could pull rank on less clever people and create hierarchies that when collectively agreed upon put them into powerful positions over the society they lived in. And then this expanded on until we have the machinery today. Someone essentially said "I am king and you will bow to me", people scratched their heads for a while and then said " Uhmm, okay, I guess?" and here we are. So the idea of power and control and all the realities that exist today are a product of it and I would happily undo all that if I could but it starts by understanding its got a little bit more to do with Ukraine than you think. Ukraine IS the distraction to keep you from actually taking back control over your own life and questioning the narrative.

And, what's wrong with being Russian?
Just like with the country you live in, Russians aren't the ones creating these problems. They are pawns in a political game that serves whom? Them? Or the ruling classes? Its no different to how it is over here. Subjects and rulers. Make sure you point your finger at the real culprits. 99% of the population are civilians. Me, you and pretty much everybody else. We are the casualties of this, not the aggressors. Which is exactly my point. Why are we casualties?

Think about that for a second.
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Be succinct.
 
maassive said:
I find these type of oversimplifications don't say anything at all.

There is no one narrative as there is no one 'media'. There are huge media outlets, corporate or state sponsored that can or cannot be pushing an agenda. There are thousands of other news sources, and theres literally every other person on social media that share their views, no matter how uninformed.

The 'narrative' about Ukraine (whatever that is) is not formed by some nefarious cabal, it's formed by actual events occurring.
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It's really not an oversimplification. It is demonstrable. And your take is unbearably naive. With covid it is beyond doubt, demonstable, provable in a court of law that the media have been towing one narrative.. and by media that includes all mainstream and all social media platforms. Claims that people like me were making 2 years ago are only now beginning to even be allowed into discussion.. now that the damage has been done and it doesn't matter any more.

How many conflicts have we seen over the past couple of decades? Do you not possess memory? The media have used almost the exact template every time, been caught pushing demonstrable bullshit (for which they never retract or apologize), etc. There is no boundary between the giant industries (weapons, pharma), the ruling class, the government, and the media. It's all one big cesspit.

There is a cabal. That is demonstrable as well. Sorry.
December Flower said:
what a happy coincidence.
so how do you explain you using DEUTSCH all the time?
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It's my fucking initials. My account email which has been the same since I signed up has the same (and has my first name in it), which isn't visible on my profile but I'm sure a curious mod could verify that.
 
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