several out of 20 million. Did they have any other medical issues?
Olson et. al. only studied a bit over 1,000 teenagers.
There were 7 deaths out of 868 unvaccinated, or 0.8% mortality.
That is actually a much higher mortality rate than expected for young people, likely due to the relatively small sample size.
Regardless, here is all of the data.
As you can see on the chart to the right, there is a pretty strong correlation between vaccination and surviving Covid infection.
The most that study shows is that the vaccine lowers the risk of death amongst a certain age demographic.
It doesn't prove that "the vaccine will improve outcomes" in all demographics across the board.
I suppose they only found out about the myocarditis threat after we all took the shot?
because I sure don't remember anything other than 100% safe and effective.
"a pandemic of the unvaccinated " remember?
that was quite the flagrant lie no? Given we all now agree it doesn't prevent transmission
Don't move the goalposts.
But the vaccine does seem to
slightly reduce transmission now, though not nearly as much as it did before the delta & omnicron variants.
I certainly don't consider the reduced transmission to be significant enough for vaccine mandates to still exist, though I believe that a lot of said mandates have been relaxed at this point.
Vaccines that work against SARS-CoV-2 have helped change the course of the pandemic by reducing illness and hospital admissions. But Chris Stokel-Walker asks what we know about their impact on preventing transmission. The range of vaccines developed in record time by pharmaceutical companies...
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To clarify my position:
- I believe that lockdowns did more harm than good (I know many people who killed themselves due to mental health issues and/or abusive situations that were significantly exacerbated by the lockdowns)
- I don't think that the Covid vaccines work nearly as well as any of the other common vaccines. For example, I received 2 vaccines and then had covid twice (2nd time I kept testing negative but my symptoms began the same day as & mirrored my partner's, who was positive)
- I haven't gotten my flu shot in several years and probably won't be getting any Covid booster shots. Some data I've seen suggests that booster shots have a much higher risk of causing myocarditis in my demographic (Biological males under 30) than Covid itself.
- I believe that prior Covid infection is more effective inoculation than a vaccine, at least in the short-term. In between the two times I had Covid, I had a direct exposure at a family dinner where everyone who had previously had covid did not get sick and everyone who hadn't had it yet did. Everyone was vaccinated.
- I also lean somewhat against Covid vaccine mandates.
I am a staunch believer in bodily autonomy. But bodily autonomy includes the rights of others to not be infected with serious illness by someone who chooses not to get a relatively harmless vaccinate. So I generally support vaccine mandates that are significantly more likely to prevent transmission and serious harm to others than they are to cause serious harm to the person receiving them. But things are (as you have said) not as clear-cut with the Covid vaccine with regards to reducing transmission. At this point, the primary risk of a person not getting vaccinated is that the person who does not get vaccinated instead has a greater risk of mortality/long-term effects from Covid. And I agree that the vaccine CAN indeed have serious side effects. As I said, an irl acquaintance of mine had myocarditis for 3-6 months from the vaccine after his school mandated that all students receive 2 vaccinations.
TL;DR: I have never supported lockdowns and no longer support Covid vaccine mandates at this point in time. I agree that the vaccine does have adverse effects, and booster shots seem to be more likely to have adverse effects than infection itself for a few demographics (e.g. Myocarditis in biological males under 30.) I also don't think that Covid vaccines work very well. I do think that the first 2 shots are still worth getting for most people, but I think that that should be a personal choice.
So I don't have a horse in this race. My positions are pretty in-the-middle, and I don't feel strongly about this issue beyond opposing misinformation and using empirical evidence to guide most of my viewpoints.
I don't give a fuck what Fauci says or even who he is (I had to Google if he still even had his position, and didn't even know what position that was), nor whatever the Democratic Party or any other neoliberal mainstream politicians have to say on this.
If anyone here expected me to follow an off-the-shelf "left-wing" (note: Covid is mainly an American culture war issue at this point, most leftists that I speak with don't really care about the vaccine issue and many oppose mandates on principle) position, then they are mistaken.
But there is a TON of misinformation here (Rivalling climate change and the Wakefield autism-MMR rubbish that RFK has revived).
So I'm going to look up the answers to things and then post whatever the first credible meta-analysis on Google says.
That's all.
