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Roofies superior to other benzos?- listen to this...

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Nitrazepam superior to Flunitrazepam

kokaino said:
Triazolam and nitrazepam are by FAR the strongest hypnotic benzos i've tried to date.
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Please keep in mind that I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can Nitrazepam be more sedating/hypnotic/potent than Flunitrazepam? I mean, the reason why Flunitrazepam is so strong is due to the extra CH3/flour-molecule, making it more lipophilic. That usually makes a drug 4 times more potent than the original drug (take methamphetamine for instance). I don't know a lot about chemistry; I'm just very curious.
 
i fuckin hate u but ill give you my opinion. roofies are not the best benzos... but they are definitely better than lorazepam, stronger and funner.
 
StaySedated said:
imo "hypnotic" benzos (trialozam, flunitrazepam, nitrazepam) are more "intoxicating" like alcohol and barbiturates and anti-anxiety benzos(clonazepam, diazepam, alpralozam, lorazepam) generally have more of a unique effect(relaxed and content but not in a overly "fucked up" way like booze).

some benzos are strong at both effects like temazepam, flunitrazepam, alpralozam, and nitrazepam and generally cause the most euphoria(although clonazepam isn't really hypnotic and it's the 2nd most euphoric benzo to me).

anyway i think temazepam is the best.
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Most people judge potency of benzodiazepines upon their sedative qualities. That is why many people have a hard time believing the equivalence charts. The fact is that you need to take the anxiolytic effects into account. On a mg basis, some of the most potenct benzos are anxiolytics (Clonazepam 0.5 Alprazolam 0.5 Lorazepam 1) Within the top 5 most potent benzos (again, on a mg basis) 3 are anxiolytics vs. hypnotics. And believe it or not but Lorazepam and Flunitrazepam are listed as equivalent. Once again, most anyone would disagree, but that's because Flunitrazepam is more sedating. Thats my point.
 
Uhm to me Lorazepam was a very unpleasant experience. Unlike Xanax or Diazepam, which i enjoy more. To me it was slightly trippy, made me more confused than other benzos and wasn't so much euphoric or anything as uncomfortable.

It was really odd seeing as when i first heard of it i expected it to be great. I could most likely easily tell the difference between Ativan and some other benzos, but I've only tried the three i listed, not roofies or anything else yet.
 
A lot of people say that Lorazepam is a weak benzo, but that is far from the truth.
Lorazepam is actually stronger in anxiolytic effects than Diazepam. Lorazepam also has a longer duration of action than Diazepam.

Lorazepam is actually one of my favourite benzo's because of its very strong anxiolytic properties. The only downside to Lorazepam is I find it to cause a lot of amnesia, even at prescribed doses. This can be a good or bad side effect. I have heard that IV Lorazepam (Ativan) is an amazing feeling/rush.
 
Supeudol said:
A lot of people say that Lorazepam is a weak benzo, but that is far from the truth.
Lorazepam is actually stronger in anxiolytic effects than Diazepam. Lorazepam also has a longer duration of action than Diazepam.

Lorazepam is actually one of my favourite benzo's because of its very strong anxiolytic properties. The only downside to Lorazepam is I find it to cause a lot of amnesia, even at prescribed doses. This can be a good or bad side effect. I have heard that IV Lorazepam (Ativan) is an amazing feeling/rush.
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im sorry,Lorazepam does not have a longer duration of action than Diazepam.
 
^ Umm, yes it does. Diazepam's duration of action is only around 4 hours.
Lorazepam's duration of action is around 8-10 hours.

I think you are confusing this with half life. Diazepam does have a much longer half life than Lorazepam, but not duration of action. I will find some sources for you, and I'm sure other Bluelighters can confirm that Lorazepam has a longer duration of action than Diazepam.
 
pally pete said:
im sorry,Lorazepam does not have a longer duration of action than Diazepam.
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I'm sorry but Lorazepam does have a longer duration. Most people think because Diazepam has such a long half-life that it has a massively long duration. False. I have taken the last 3 months for taper and it lasts maybe 4 hours max. Lorazepam has around an 8 hour duration.

Diazepam is a long half-life benzodiazepine. Duration of action after a single dose is determined by redistribution rather than metabolism.

"The speed of elimination of a benzodiazepine is obviously important in determinisizeng the duration of its effects. However, the duration of apparent action is usually considerably less than the half-life. With most benzodiazepines, noticeable effects usually wear off within a few hours. Nevertheless the drugs, as long as they are present, continue to exert subtle effects within the body. These effects may become apparent during continued use"

PROLONGED USE can result in a longer duration of action.

"The elimination half-life of diazepam and also the active metabolite desmethyldiazepam increases significantly in the elderly, which may result in prolonged action as well as accumulation of the drug during repeated administration."

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam

Duration of IV is 20-30 minutes.

"Diazepam, 0.2 mg/kg at 5 mg/min, and lorazepam, 0.1 mg/kg at 2 mg/min are equally effective in terminating seizures however lorazepam has the advantage of a much smaller volume of distribution. Lorazepam’s small volume of distribution results in anticonvulsant activity that lasts up to 12 hours versus 20 minutes for diazepam that rapidly redistributes in lipid stores throughout the body ( Treiman 1988 ). Diazepam’s short duration of action places the patient at risk for seizure recurrence unless a longer acting AED is administered."
 
Lord said:
i fuckin hate u but ill give you my opinion. roofies are not the best benzos... but they are definitely better than lorazepam, stronger and funner.
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I fucking hate 'u', too, you son of a bitch. I never said roofies were the best benzo. Personally, I prefer Clonazepam. I would take Clonazepam over your sorry life any day.
 
ativan and valium are my #1 benzos. I keep a constant supply of both, and can say with confidence that ativan does not last as long as valium. it kicks is faster, but does not last as long. 8 to 10 hours? what a joke. neither last anywhere close to that long, but i would say i can feel ativan for 2 hours, 3 lightly. valium for 3 hours, 4 lightly.

maybe it will prevent seizures for a longer period of time time, but ativan certainly does not keep you under the benzo blanket for longer than valium.
 
Xanax vs. klonopin?? easy, one hits me harder more sedating and dosen't last very long (the xanax) whereas the kpins hit pretty quick too, but they last for a fucking long minute, like you think its over and do a bag of dope and bamn your totally fucked way more than just the dope..
 
I honestly don't see all the hype behind clonazepam........I can think of 5 other benzos that I would much rather have than it.
 
i will admit that clonazepams are not all that for peeps like me with a very high tollerance to benzos, less ya take a handfull(which i have on many occations ,its one of my scripts)I would rather take valium or a handfull of temazepams.
Which brings me to this ,there seems to be this consensis that temazepams are at the top of the food chaine , and that after reading alot about them on here that there infact dangerouse if taken to much,
Well i have purchased these pills for years taking a minimum of 5 at a time 30mg.
I now have a ongoing script for them.
Are they realy that dangerouse cause by the sounds of it i should have been dead awhile back,
The one thing i do know is that when i abuse them i dont remember shit after a short time after taking them....
wish i could abuse some rite now as i woke up after only a few hours after taken my perscribed 6 mgs clonazepams 2 30 mg temazepam,600 mg seroquel and a bout 6 nozinans and now up and fully awake.
So if i could just take like 6 temazepams i would be happy but if i do that i gotta ration the rest till pill day ..damnit pills damn you.lol..
Gonna halfta take another 600 mg seroquel to help sleep i rectum....
 
BIGsherm7272 said:
I honestly don't see all the hype behind clonazepam........I can think of 5 other benzos that I would much rather have than it.
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Klonopin is the best benzo to combine with dope. Its long duration and sedation make it very ideal. There's just something about it that make the two go together so well. I'm not talking about all opiates in general. I mean specifically heroin. All junkies I know love shooting dope with Klonopin. <Harm reduction: You shouldn't mix benzos with opiates except at low doses...unless you have a tolerance>
 
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