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Rolling after being on antidepressants?

starlett7

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I'm just curious if anyone has ever been on any kind of anti depressant and not been able to roll after? I mean like even months or years after getting off the meds, is it possible to never experience a good mdma high?

I thought I read that somewhere but I'm just curious to hear people's experiences.
 
In short, yes.

They cause long term down regulation of your Serotonin system, in fact they inhibit your Serotonin from doing what its supposed too, atleast if my understanding of them is correct.

Im sure eventually you will be able to roll again, but I wouldn't recommend anti-depressants for anybody, even the SEVERELY depressed. They have a lot of side effects, and dont really seem to help most people.



I remember some posts of your from earlier, and all I want to say is that drugs wont help you get over a break up. Good luck <3
 
Yea.. I know they won't help and I definitely don't want to be on them because of all the side effects and the people I know who have been on the are kind of nutso lol. But I'm going to see a psychiatrist (appointment was booked long before breakup so it's unrelated) because I've been dealing with some OCD and anxiety for years now and it's starting to interfere with my life.
I know psychiatrists are more likely to prescribe stuff than sit and talk with you about shit like psychologists so I have a feeling antidepressants will be suggested but I don't want them. I'd rather have something that I can take when I really need like when I start freaking out and can't calm down not something I have to take every day that will change who I am and also effect my rolls on m because I really do enjoy that a lot.
 
Sounds like you need benzos more than SSRIs... but you really should try to deal with things without getting prescriptions first, go talk it out like you said, then go from there.

Drugs are only a quick fix to things, and if somethings fixed with duct tape, you dont take the time to REALLY fix it, get what Im saying?
 
Yeah makes sense. I'm definitely gonna tell the doctor I don't wanna be put on meds. Hopefully it'll be somewhat like seeing a therapist (therapist costs money, psychiatrist doesn't) because I would really rather understand my problems and learn to overcome them rather than like you said, just have a quick temporary fix.
 
Benzos are very safe for short term use, meaning days not weeks/months.
Anything that acts upon the GABA system is pretty safe, but only for limited as needed use.
Long-term use will increase anxiety to toxic levels when the medication is withdrawn.

SSRIs are extremely effective in most people, although the onset takes weeks...normally about five.
The prolactin release grows in the first several weeks and is associated with the therapuetic effects of the drug.
Prolactin is released by the pituitary due to 5HT1a agonism and the release of dopamine from the hypothalamus.

This combination of dopamine and prolactin is the key to SSRIs as well as MDMA.
The difference is speed of onset, with MDMA (a neurotoxin) causing this within 2 hours of the dose.
Both of these drugs target the PFC, your highest emotional center.

High levels of prolactin inhibit sexual function, although SSRIs can temporarily boost sexual performance for this reason.
Anyone that is capable of sex on MDMA knows how incredible it can be.
But extended periods of high prolactin is BAD for dopamine receptors in the central reward circuitry.
It causes down-regulation.

Along with this, high serotonin causes down-regulation in the higher brain.
The PFC is the most vulnerable to such axonal/receptor loss because the serotonin nerves are thin extensions in this area.

So now you have lower serotonin density in the higher brain, along with lower dopamine sensitivity in the limbic reward circuit.
Hmm...

Of course while you are on the medication things are GREAT.
For quite a while, too.
Some patients stay on this stuff for YEARS....often succeeding in areas of life that they didn't before.
Especially social interaction and work.

But eventually the consequences catch up, as with MDMA use.
And discontinuation from SSRIs is known to be very devastating, even dangerous for some people.
And when the network is sufficiently damaged, serotonin transmission is WAY off.
This causes a continued hyperprolactinemia for months or YEARS.
And you can only imagine what this does to dopamine receptors.

A minority of SSRI users will experience long-term sexual dysfunction that includes an inability to feel sensation during orgasm - no pleasure at all.
And libido may also be entirely absent regardless of the stimuli. Some men can never achieve erections again without injections straight into the penis, and women may go on to experience painless childbirth!

At the same time these people often describe a loss of humanity that goes beyond their sexuality.
They have difficulty interacting with people, such as looking them in the face. Eye contact can be a particular struggle.
They cannot enjoy normal activities, such as walking in the sun or smelling good food.
Sleep is sub-standard at best, and head-pressure and 'brain zaps' have been reported as well.

The overlap between SSRI and MDMA recovery is pretty shocking, including the time required to stabilize.
There is a trend I have seen among former SSRI users that suggests the one year mark is when desire begins to return, and two years is when it becomes stable.
Again, such examples are the exception not the rule.
But at least a few months of trouble is VERY common.

I must repeat - SSRIs are VERY effective at treating depression while the medication is used.
In about 15% of users there is a bad reaction, such as akathesia (which is tormenting).
But for the rest of people it can be a damned miracle.

But the emotional and cognitive benefits STOP when treatment stops.
This is a pretty big indicator that it does not CURE depression.
Targeting serotonin into the PFC does produce powerful anti-depressant effects but they are TEMPORARY.

Since serotonin is not directly responsible for the effects, rather dopamine and prolactin release from the HPA...
Boosting dopamine levels is a much safer alternative to SSRIs.
It is not nearly as effective as an anti-depressant and it fails to work in the severely depressed.
And it will also cause dopamine down-regulation especially if doses are taken above prescribed limits.
But a few weaker amphetamines exist that are quite safe even for long-term use.
It has been suggested that my long-winded posts are a result of such a medication...
They are not, although I have strongly considered selegeline - a weak amphetamine that protects the SERT and striatal dopamine.

Boosting serotonin and dopamine is the primary result of ALL anti-depressants.
This restores the function of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis.
The hypothalamus literally connects your thoughts to your emotions.

Yes, there are people that used to take SSRIs that cannot experience the magic of MDMA even after years of healthy living.
They still may describe sex as 'interesting' while on the drug, but they do not experience a substantial improvement in orgasm quality.
I have spoken with several people like this, and some have said that the comedown is horrible and makes their sexual dysfunction WORSE afterwards.

There are NO medications that produce permanent improvements in depression, anxiety, or OCD behavior.
Even research on cognitive behavioral therapy has shown that only continued practice produces permanent change.
In other words, you have to keep TRYING to change yourself.
After many years, perhaps it will remain with you for the rest of your life.

But seeking out a medication to take the place of positive thinking is foolish, especially when positive thinking must be maintained for the benefits to remain!
There is only one exception...

Exercise.

I have said it many times before, and I will continue to say it.
We are gifted with an extraordinary ability to reshape our brains using our bodies.
Physical exercise improves mental function in a wide variety of tests, and continued exercise is recommended in ALL forms of brain injury.
Elderly people experience significant improvements in memory after just a few months of exercise.
And in depressed patients the practice is underused, in part because people lack the motivation to do it.

I work out daily, at least ten or twenty minutes.
Think your OCD is 'interfering with life'?
If you had any idea how hard life has been for me, you would actually listen to this advice.
Working out will adjust even the most horrific state of mind.

It increases both serotonin and dopamine!
So now you know what you can do.
Exercise on a regular basis, get sunlight for several hours per day, and sleep at night.
All of our ancestors had to do each of things, regardless of what they wanted.
Do you think they experienced depression?

Not like we do.

Learn from their example and PUSH YOURSELF.
Hard.
And you will not feel OCD or the need for anti-depressants.
I know this to be true.

Good luck Starlett7.
 
why do you always talk in such blanket terms all the time? i was riding a bike 250 miles a week, 8 hours a day and was still depressed and had OCD to the max. not saying it doesn't help, just saying telling someone from the internet what medications they do or don't need, or how "hard life has been" for you compared to them, just strikes of an almost dangerous level of arrogance.
 
I remember some posts of your from earlier, and all I want to say is that drugs wont help you get over a break up

Listen to Folley. Just over a year of using drugs, been alone nearly 2 years now myself, was married blah blah blah,
Im still alone, drugs dont help that particular situation.

Exercise, Eating healthily, and being outgoing does :)
 
Try using DLPA instead. Of course I don't know other meds you take so consulting your doctor first would be a good idea. I never had a problem, but I don't use it daily. Plenty of info you you search it in Google.
 
Who are you against anyways? 8)

I have been called arrogant before and I will be again.
But I will make strong statements about SSRIs long after you are gone.
I have done enough reading to know that the VAST majority of doctors prescribing them have VERY little knowledge about the serotonin network.
And plenty of neurologists voice concerns over the use of these medications, citing data that shows limited efficacy and a near certain return to depression for the majority of patients. Did I mention the disastrous side-effects that can happen?

Why don't YOU read for yourself.
For a few weeks at least.
Then visit your nearest hospital or GP and find out how much LESS they know than you.

Not saying they are all clueless, but you would be pretty amazed.
And there is plenty of anecdotal evidence among MDMA users that SSRIs are a bad idea.

Blanket terms?
Because I believe there is truth in this life.
Some things are definitive, even if temporary.
Somebody needs to speak with authority about neurotoxic drugs around here...
 
Starlett7, I can definitely relate to you on many levels. Depression, anxiety/panic attacks, OCD, bipolar disorder/manic depression, PTSD, and many trips to many different psychiatrists/psychologists/therapists/counselors/what-have-you in my young(er) life. I can totally respect you for not wanting the medication; I honestly think I was worse while on it. If I were you, I'd definitely make it a strong point to your psychiatrist that you want a solution other than long-term medications (benzos or something to help as needed shouldn't be too bad; just be careful not to abuse them if you do go that route)... you'll be better off for it. I think the best decision of my life was to stop taking the antidepressants and other medications they had me on... you'll be better off and feel more confident in the long-run if you can work through this without them, I think, too.

If you want to chat more one on one or anything, I'm all ears. I see a lot of similarities between you and myself, so maybe I'd be a good shoulder for you... or something. I don't know; I just want to let you know that I've been there and I'm here for you if you'd like. Best of luck to you!! <3
 
Thanks for that post First Bad Comedown, I've been on 3 different kinds of SSRI's, and I can vouch for what was said about the long term effects post-SSRI use. I'll come back later to comment again when i have time to read the rest of the posts in this thread.
 
My friend was on anti depressants and she tried molly three weeks after being off them and it didn't work. But then tried again in a month and it was fine.
 
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