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ROA's for 25C-NBOMe HCl powder?

filter2700

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What are possible ROA's for 25C-NBOMe HCl powder? I'd like to have the effects slowly come on (I don't want it to hit me all at once), so what ROA is good for a slow come up with powder? I know buccally would probably be the best method, but I don't have blotter paper and I'm not sure how to make a solution correctly and dose it right on the paper.

Could I take a 500mcg dose of powder and let it sit in my gums and wait for a while? Or would that be like liquid insuflation, would it hit me all at once within a few minutes, or would it be fairly slow, yet faster than a buccal dose come up? If I parachuted the powder would it would it hit me all at once within a few minutes like liquid insuflation also? What about snorting it, would that produce a slower come up than liquid insuflation?

I want the trip to come up fairly slow, within 30-60 minutes. But I don't want it to hit me immediately. Whats the best method for this kind of come up other than buccal?
 
Heh, I just posted the following in another thread. It's funny because I ended it by saying I've already posted it before in the Big and Dandy 25C thread but people don't read extensively so I doubt many have seen it -- then here's this question. Just liquid insufflate small amounts at a time to stagger the onset. Anyhoo:

[This method will only work for water soluble drugs, and I believe some of the NBOMes are in insoluble freebase form -- test solubility first! Also, the onset of liquid insufflated 25I may not be as fast as 25C, and so the small-step titration method described below may not work as conveniently for it, IDK. Titration of eyeballed "small" amounts not weighed independently with a mg scale is still reckless and could end up killing you or your friends. If you don't have a scale you can get a cheap mg scale that's not ideal but better than nothing for under $40 (there's threads on this already). Syringes can be purchased online or, more cheaply, at your local pharmacy (contingent on your local syringe policy).]
You can use syringes for liquid insufflation. I weigh out around 10 mg of something like 25C and then dissolve in X insulin units of water such that 10 units = 250 mg, and then draw up 10 units (for U-100 syringes 100 units = 1 mL, I believe, so 10 units = 0.1 mL). Then I cut the very end of the syringe cap off so that when the cap is put back on the needle it creates an open-ended safety sheath extending just beyond the length of the needle. I test the syringe with normal water to make sure the squirt stream comes straight out without hitting the lip of the sheath. Then the NBOMe solution loaded sheathed syringe is stuck deep up my nostril and I squirt the solution straight in (might want to test this with normal water first). The pressure of the stream is strong enough that I don't even have to snort, and the volume of the solution is low enough that I don't have to worry about it overflowing the nasal cavity and dripping back out or down the back of my throat. It deposits the dose exactly where you want it. Then I just do the same until I get to 750 ug - 1 mg. Onset is rapid for liquid insufflated 25C so even if your mg scale is somewhat off for the original 10 mg you can still precisely titrate up this way in safely small steps until you know how many units = where you want to be. [I already posted this method and it was confirmed as successful by others in one of the NBOMe threads but I figured plenty of people have overlooked that post at this point]
 
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^ Yep. That's exactly how I do it. Liquid insufflation is a potent ROA. And the staggering works a charm, too. Sometimes the really rapid comeup that happens when you insufflate a large dose all at once can cause a lot of anxiety and nausea for me, which is largely circumvented by sniffing about 100 mcg at a time (spaced apart maybe 30 minutes).

Also, I can confirm that 25I comes on just as quickly as 25C.

P.S. I learned from a less cautious friend, who insufflated an eyeballed quantity of 25I freebase (8o), that insufflation of the dry freebase produces a much longer come-up phase than insufflation of a salt in solution. I can't remember the exact figures, but I think he said it took him at least 45 minutes to feel it, as opposed to the ~10 minute onset that I've experienced with liquid insufflation -- and he took a very high dose.
 
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How should I go about making a solution for liquid insuflation?

I ordered 10 milligrams of 25C-NBOMe HCl powder, and I'm unsure as to how I should go about making doses of this. I don't have a mcg scale, so I'm thinking about making a solution which can be measured easily. I have a few questions though. If I take the powder and make a solution with it, will the 25C-NBOMe evaporate if I don't use it right away? I guess it would depend on what solution I use, right? So lets say I use 99% isopropyl alcohol and mix the 25C-NBOMe powder in, will the 25C-NBOMe evaporate if I don't use it in a certain period of time? In other words, will the 25C-NBOMe solution still work if I don't use it right away? How long will the 25C-NBOMe remain psychoactive in the solution? Since I have no way of measuring the RC, I figure I might as well make one batch of the stuff and put it in a vial; I just don't want to make a solution and have it be worthless after a few weeks sitting in alcohol.

Next, what solution should I use so that the RC will remain psychoactive for months? I won't be using it all at once, so the 25C-NBOMe will be in a vial for months until I use it. I need a solution that won't cause the 25C-NBOMe to dissolve/evaporate.

Finally, how should I go about measuring all of this? I'm a little confused about combining milliliters and milligrams to make microgram dosages. I have 10mg, and I want to make 500mcg dosages per drop. I'll be using vials to hold the solution, but I'm not exactly sure how many milliliters are in a drop. I would really appreciate it if someone could help me out with the math part here and explain it good, I need to be very, very careful with this substance and I don't want to get anything wrong. Thanks.
 
What I did was mix it with 19 times as much weight of a cutting agent, I used inositol but any neutral powder should do, like dextrose or something. Mixing it with only 9 times as much cut made it still too concentrated to weigh out and handle easily and there was significant burn when snorted. The key to making a snortable/buccalable powder is to add alcohol to the mixture to thoroughly dissolve the 25C so it will be well spread out on the cut. Probably be a good idea to add a little water too, to dissolve the cut also, but I wanted it to dry out quickly so I used 99% isopropyl alcohol. I did add a few drops of water though, which did dissolve some of the inositol. So once the 25C is well distributed on the carrier powder it is quite absorbable. If you want slower comeup then just dump the powder under your tongue and keep it there for like 15 minutes or so, trying not to swallow as saliva develops. The effects are still pretty quick, maybe 20-30 minutes, but less so than with snorting, which is practically instantaneous.

So the fact of the matter is that all you have to do is dissolve it with an inert carrier powder and dry it out and it is then perfectly absorbable by all ROA except oral. I also tried MSM as the carrier and it was equally effective as inositol. Those were the only two cuts I tried. Just mixing the dry powders together won't work, the 25C has to be dissolved to disperse the molecules as much as possible. You should also "mortar and pestle" the dried 25C/cut mixture to grind up all chunks, or you might get a chunk which is particularly rich in 25C and get way too high.
 
[To the OP: the following is addressed to your specific questions but contains rhetoric I mean to address everyone because lots of people are going to read this as many are doubtlessly in similar positions. I don’t mean to come at you with some of this stuff on a personal level. It’s meant to make people in similar positions ask themselves some of these same questions. There are already news reports about multiple NBOMe hospitalizations in just one city where NBOMes had wider market penetration than average, so the dangers really need to be redundantly stressed.]

If your 25C/distilled water solution is in a sealed vial it won't evaporate. 25C HCl will dissolve in water, but that's what you want. I think what you're worried about is it degrading in water, right? I don't know what the stability of 25C is in water, or if it will degrade within a few months time. I thought I read it was a pretty stable molecule so my guess is that it'd last for months without degrading. I'm no chemist, but I'd imagine if you're worried about the stability of 25C in water you might just be able to freeze it. Then just take it out of the freezer the night before so it's back to a liquid solution by the time you want to use it (can anybody confirm that this freezing and thawing process is OK for preserving the stability of a chemical like 25I or not?). If you freeze it make sure your vial is large enough so that when the solution freezes the expansion will not crack the vial. Also, you wouldn't want to liquid insufflate isopropyl alcohol so I'd scratch that idea. Jason7's method seems like it would work fine, but that's dry insufflation in a cutting agent after it’s been dried out from solution and you want liquid insufflation, right? Also, you've said you have "no way of measuring" the compound. Why can't you buy a mg scale for under $40, again? I think you're just saying you don't want to bother or you’re (effectively) saying “I’m willing to spend money to get high but not to help ensure I don’t harm others,” right? How do you know whoever you got it from measured those 10 mg correctly without your own independent confirmation?

As far as the math is concerned for liquid insufflation, remember that a dose can't be in a high volume of water because it will overflow your nasal cavity and pour down your throat (and it's not active orally). You really shouldn't use drops either. There are no consistent number of drops in 1 mL. People do use drops, yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea when more accurate methods are entirely convenient. Think about how drops would work. How are you going to get just the right number of drops in your nose or keep a really reliable count? How will you prevent not accidentally getting more drops than you want, or know that the drops are all the same volume? You really should buy syringes or some other tool for precise volumetric measurement. Not only is it safer, it's just so much easier. I know some people have a psychological block when it comes to buying syringes, but seriously if you don't have the discipline to get past something like this for the sake of responsibility it's an indication that you have no business dealing with ultra-potent chemicals and that you're more of a risk for hurting yourself or your friends (and ending up on the news, too).

You also should have a lot more confidence in your ability to do the relevant math on your own, as it is an absolutely necessary skill for dealing with this stuff. However, because I understand some people reading this are going to think "fuck you psood, you self-righteous prick" (not necessarily you OP, this goes to anybody reading this) and do it anyway out of spite and what they recklessly believe is their personal "right," I'll write it out. (Sorry people, but your going on a violent rampage or attempting to drive because you overdosed due to a basic error and are now psychotic or panicking and can't control yourself implicates OTHER PEOPLE in your decision to use these drugs. Know that doing this stuff without self-confidence and the basic knowledge needed to minimize risk is immoral and reckless. Your decision to use drugs never was just a consequence for you. The "victimless crime" idea behind drug use varies in truth value by context. This isn't me preaching my own gospel because I'm power tripping, it's a simple fact that can't be ignored with drugs like NBOMes where fucking up is extremely easy. This stuff is dangerous even taking the proper precautions, but not possessing the simple tools and acumen I’m describing is a whole different level of risk).

Anyways, if you want 500 ug per dose volume this is what I'd do (redundancies in this example are to make sure the point gets across):

Dissolve 10 mg in 2 mL of distilled water in a vial (a 1cc U-100 insulin syringe = 1 mL, as 1cc=1mL=100 units for a U-100 syringe, so that's 2 full 1 cc U-100 syringes worth of distilled water)

Since 10 mg = 10,000 ug and you have 10 mg in 2 mL of water there's 5 mg per 1mL syringe. 5 mg = 5000 ug, so since there are 100 units on the side of a 1 mL syringe, and 100/10 = 10 ten unit increments, that means every 10 unit increments of NBOMe water solution in one syringe contains 500 ug 25I-NBOMe.

To check the same math a little different way just to further illustrate we can say 2 syringes = 200 total units = 20 ten unit increments in a 1 cc U-100 syringe. Therefore, because 10 mg = 10,000 ug and in our example 10,000 ug is dissolved in 20 ten unit increments of water, 10,000ug/20 ten increment units = 500 ug per 10 unit increment.

If you don't want such a concentrated solution you can just dissolve 10 mg in 4 mL so every 10 unit increment is 250 ug. I'd also recommend shaking the solution in your vial lightly before you draw any up from it into the syringes for dosing.

Insulin-Syringe-U-100-.jpg


This is a 1 cc U-100 syringe. There are other types of syringes that DON'T look like this (for example a 1/2 cc U-100 syringe would only have 50 units; there’s also U-40 syringes which have 40 units in 1 cc which changes the numbers above). You can use these other syringes, but for the sake of keeping things simple you should probably use a 1 cc U-100. You can see that there are 100 units on the side of the pictured U-100 syringe. So in our example above there would be 5 mg or 5000 ug of 25C in one of these, or 10 mg in 2 of these. [to be perfectly accurate the volume of the powder itself will make for more than 2 mL of water if 2 mL is added on top of it, but it won't make a huge difference so I wouldn't be too concerned about it]
 
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I appreciate your response, it has helped me a ton. I am being very, VERY careful with this substance. I'm not going to even touch it until I have all of the math figured out. I don't have a mg scale, but I never said I won't pick one up. I definitely will buy one to ensure proper dosages. I have the ability to understand the math, I just have some trouble getting it started.

The 250mcg dosage is much more safe, I will stick to that. Now let me get all of this straight:

10,000mcg/4 (4 1ml syringes) = 2,500mcg per syringe.
2,500mcg/10 (10 ten units per syringe) = 250mcg per 10 units.

1. Mix 4ml of water with 10mg of 25C-NBOMe, stir until dissolved, shake lightly.
2. Draw each syringe full, end up with 4 syringes containing 2,500mcg of 25C-NBOMe.
3. 2,500mcg makes 10 250mcg doses per syringe.

250mcg * 10 (10 ten units per syringe) = 2,500mcg per syringe. 2,500mcg per syringe * 4 = 10,000mcg total.

Is all of that right? What ROA should I use? How does mcg appear on a mg scale? 1000mcg will appear as 1 mg, so 500mcg would appear as .5 mg? Also, where can I get 1ml syringes?
 
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^That looks right. The cheap mg scales I'm talking about, and that you're likely to buy, are at most sensitive to 1 mg, so mcg will not register at all. You just want to confirm that the 10 mg of NBOMe powder you bought is in fact 10 mg. To dose mcg amounts you're assuming the mgs of NBOME you've weighed out and dissolved in water are evenly distributed throughout the volume of your NBOMe solution. You can buy syringes online or at your local pharmacy (though it depends on their policy; I've bought them at Walmart and online before). You want to make sure you buy 1 cc U-100 insulin syringes so that 100 units = 1 mL = 1 cc. If you are going to inject intramuscularly I'd buy those same syringes but with at least a 1/2 inch needle to make sure you get deep enough to hit muscle tissue. Scout around on the net and you'll get a feel for what the labels on the syringe boxes mean.
 
Yea thats right, I want to make sure it is 10mg. Couldn't I squirt the solution on some blotter paper (or paper similar), let it dry, then take it buccally? I'm really not interested in poking myself at all. Plus doing it intramuscularly would make the effects come on very fast, wouldn't it?

Can't I slowly drip 10 or 20 units of the solution into my nostril so the come up isn't very fast?
 
1. Mix 4ml of water with 10mg of 25C-NBOMe, stir until dissolved, shake lightly.
2. Draw each syringe full, end up with 4 syringes containing 2,500mcg of 25C-NBOMe.
3. 2,500mcg makes 10 250mcg doses per syringe.

You don't want to fill 4 syringes with NBOMe solution. You cannot store it that way. You will use the syringe to measure out the required amount of your solvent (presumably alcohol and water), and dilute the compound in a vial to make the solution. Then of course you can seal the vial, and use the syringe to measure out correct doses from the vial whenever you want to dose.

Much props to psood0nym for his comprehensive breakdown of these basic but important procedures.
 
Now I'm confused again. I don't know what the alcohol and water solvent is all about.

How about I do something easier? I think what I'll do is only make doses for the amount of trips I need. I'll only use 1 syringe, and I'll mix 1mg of the powder with 1ml of water, so I'll end up with a syringe that has 1,000mcg of 25C-NBOMe solution. This way, each unit of 10 equals 100mcg of 25C-NBOMe. It will give me two 500mcg trips. I'll trip once, then save the syringe and trip in a week or two. The 25C-NBOMe won't degrade in the water after sitting for 2 weeks, will it?
 
[EDIT: ^I'm sure it'll be fine in room temp distilled water for just a couple weeks -- but anything longer and you're going to want to use some kind of preservation technique]

Yeah, you will only need one syringe in theory (though I think the lowest number you're likely to be able to buy is a bag of 10, and you should just buy a bunch for the future anyways). Like SA said, the vial is for storage and mixing up the solution (small glass vials can be bought online, or you can obviously just use any small clean sealable container that a syringe will reach to the bottom of). The syringe is for measuring volume and for liquid insufflation dosage. After you have the end solution you use the syringe to draw up your 10 units of ~250 ug NBOMe solution, pop the needle-cap-with-its-tip-cut-off "safety sheath" back on as described in my first post, then squirt the 250 ug in your nose.

Does anybody have an answer to the question I posed earlier about simply freezing a solution to preserve it if you're worried about a compound's stability in liquid water (is there any word on 25C's long-term stability in water)? I know people have frozen pre-made ayahuasca mixes for storage, then just thawed them to dose -- and they reported it worked fine -- so I can't imagine it would do anything at a molecular level (but thought I should ask to prevent people from destroying their whole concoction on the chance I'm wrong). I'm asking because if someone adds ethanol as a preservative to a solution they plan to liquid insufflate that might burn if they add too much, plus ethanol alone won't get around any possible issues with liquid water breaking down the compound long term, and an ethanol/water solution itself might degrade a compound long term more than water alone. (Again, if you freeze make sure your storage vial is large enough to accommodate ice expansion).
 
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It is easy actually :)

The alcohol/water mixture (your "solvent"; chemists even call pure water a solvent in certain contexts) is used because it doesn't allow microbes to grow. That way the solution will keep for at least months.

You could mix 2.5 ml of water and 2.5 ml of vodka (40% alcohol) to get about 5 ml of solvent mixture. Then you should check the weight of your 10 mgs of substance. Don't be too worried, if the scale shows 8 or 12 mgs. These cheap ones aren't very accurate and can easily be a few milligrams off.
Sidenote: That's the reason why we recommend to weigh larger amounts, dissolve and dose the liquid. If you weigh, say, 20 doses being 10 mgs in total and have actually 14 mgs it's not as dangerous as weighing 2 doses with 1 mg in total and having actually 4 mgs (in the first case you'd ingest 700 µg instead of 500 µg; in the latter you have 2000 µg instead of 500 µg!).
Then you just put the powder in your vial, add 4 ml of the alcohol-water-mixture and stirr until dissolved. Cap the vial and your stock solution is ready. Storing solutions in syringes is just not convenient and even unsafe because your solution could evaporate what leads to a higher concentration = dangerous.

I advise starting with a lower than full dose, just in case a mistake occured somewhere along the process.

Good luck and be safe :)

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Does anybody have an answer to the question I posed earlier about simply freezing a solution to preserve it if you're worried about a compound's stability in liquid water (is there any word on 25C's long-term stability in water)? [...]

I'd say freezing and >20% EtOH/water are both totally fine. Ice means no liquid reaction medium plus slower reactions due to low temp. Ethanol is pretty unreactive in this context. Sekio reported a 25x-NBOMe (can't recall which one) dissolved in plain water going bad over the course of several weeks / few months due to microbial growth.

Additional info: 6 month old 25C-NBOMe HCl solution (20% EtOH/water) is estimated to be as potent as when it was prepared. The same should hold true for the other variants.
 
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I'd say freezing and >20% EtOH/water are both totally fine. Ice means no liquid reaction medium plus slower reactions due to low temp. Ethanol is pretty unreactive in this context. Sekio reported a 25x-NBOMe (can't recall which one) dissolved in plain water going bad over the course of several weeks / few months due to microbial growth.
Thanks. That's definitely something people will want to know if they're planning on pre-mixing a large amount in a solution they want to draw from for dosing long term.
comprehensive breakdown of these basic but important procedures.
Yeah, making sure you've got the basics down flat is no joke. I mean, all you have to do is look at the recent NBOMe seizure report to see why. The whole disaster looks to have happened due to simply dropping a decimal place by accident.
 
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I went to walgreens, couldn't find any insulin syringes at all. They had a little section for "diabetes," but had no syringes. I'll try walmart later today. If walmart is to no avail, does anyone have any other recommendations as to where I can get insulin syringes? I should be getting my powder in the mail this week and after 4-5 failed attempts at tripping (due to a shitty source selling bunk blotters) I'm really excited to try this substance [carefully], so it would suck if I had to order syringes online and wait another week.

So if I only use water in my solvent (no alcohol) and freeze it, that should stay "potent" and "psychoactive" for a few weeks? BUT, the alcohol/water solvent would be even better? What kind of alcohol should I use? Thanks for all the help so far.
 
Now I'm confused again. I don't know what the alcohol and water solvent is all about.

How about I do something easier? I think what I'll do is only make doses for the amount of trips I need. I'll only use 1 syringe, and I'll mix 1mg of the powder with 1ml of water, so I'll end up with a syringe that has 1,000mcg of 25C-NBOMe solution. This way, each unit of 10 equals 100mcg of 25C-NBOMe. It will give me two 500mcg trips. I'll trip once, then save the syringe and trip in a week or two. The 25C-NBOMe won't degrade in the water after sitting for 2 weeks, will it?

Using 1mg of powder in your case (assuming you are using a cheap mg scale) is not acceptable. You want to use 10mg at the least, in order to account for the deviation in accuracy of the scale. The beauty of the volumetric liquid measurement technique is that it can compensate for the inherent innacuracy of your scale by dividing that innacuracy by the number of doses. As you increase the number of doses for a given batch of solution, you increase the accuracy of those doses.

filter2700 said:
If walmart is to no avail, does anyone have any other recommendations as to where I can get insulin syringes?

You can buy them online. I doubt you'd have to wait another week if you are ordering them domestically.

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BUT, the alcohol/water solvent would be even better? What kind of alcohol should I use?

You want ethanol, because you will be consuming it. Use vodka, it's straight up the easiest solution. It's already premixed with water, filtered and distilled, and in a good concentration (40%). I have my 25C stored in vodka.
 
any easy way to get this delivered from syringe to buccal/sublingual administration? im always a bit weary of snorting alcohol (even in small amounts)...
 
I'd assume you could slowly drip drops (lol?) of the solution from the syringe onto a single dose of blotter paper. So if you wanted a 250mcg blotter, slowly drip 10 units (assuming your solution is 2,500mcg per syringe and is a 1cc U-100 syringe) of the solution on to the paper. Drip a drop, let it absorb, and do another until the entire 10 units is absorbed into the paper.

The easiest way is to just release 10 units (if thats the dosage you want) directly in your nostril. Slowly drip it into your nose, and pull out the syringe very frequently to see how much is left to go.
 
The easiest way is to just release 10 units (if thats the dosage you want) directly in your nostril. Slowly drip it into your nose, and pull out the syringe very frequently to see how much is left to go.
You don't want to do that. Why not simply draw up ONLY 10 units from your 4 mL in your vial and just press down the plunger into your nose until it stops? That way you don't have to worry about relying on what you feel by touch alone has been 10 units squirted out, all the while risking accidental overdose. It's a simple precaution that's a bit more fatal mistake proof. I'm pretty sure this was what was described already.

Also, you're not going to find syringes off the shelf. You need to go to the pharmacy counter and ask. Ask for exactly the kind of syringe described already so you sound like you know what you want. Like I said, "scout around on the net and you'll get a feel for what the labels on the syringe boxes mean." They may ask you to sign a paper called a needle registry (which is nothing of consequence and has not required ID in my experience - I've done it before and just wrote illegibly, not that it would likely matter) or they may say they can't sell you them without some kind of ID. If this happens just say "sorry, don't have it," and walk out (this has never happened to me). You'll just have to order online if that's the case, no big deal.

im always a bit weary of snorting alcohol (even in small amounts)...
Also already covered when I talked about simply freezing water that does not contain ethanol where I said ...

I'm asking because if someone adds ethanol as a preservative to a solution they plan to liquid insufflate that might burn if they add too much

Also, regarding the ethanol and water or just water and freezing question: this, too, was covered by sn23 when he said:
I'd say freezing and >20% EtOH/water are both totally fine. Ice means no liquid reaction medium plus slower reactions due to low temp. Ethanol is pretty unreactive in this context.

No offense people, but just read what's written before posting and use your judgment. Don't skim on your phone screen or look for the bullet point Google searchable edition if that's what's going on here. Please read slowly, patiently, and comprehendingly [EDIT: and also read it SOBER!]. It's almost like you're unconsciously determined to off yourselves in spite of our best efforts ... It's starting to worry me. I know that sounds "smart ass," and well, yeah, a little rude condescension is sort of my intent -- because c'mon, it's right there in front of you and this is your life and your friend's lives you're risking because, I don't know... why? Sorry if I'm being sort of of a dick, but I'm not making this effort to make fun of you ... I just want you to pay attention and not die. I want you to ask more questions if you're not sure about things, please do, but just demonstrate you've understood by asking things not covered already. If something's been covered and you don't follow, I'll clarify.
 
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Yeah, making sure you've got the basics down flat is no joke. I mean, all you have to do is look at the recent NBOMe seizure report to see why. The whole disaster looks to have happened due to simply dropping a decimal place by accident.

Verily. I'm amazed - and concerned - at the seeming increasing frequency of NBOMe overdose reports. It is heartwarming to see the effort spent (by folks such as yourself) in meticulously sharing the kind of information that could truly save asses.

I find the general lack of savvy and wanton carelessness around here to be truly baffling. This is why I made a point of it in my last couple of posts in the 25I NBOME thread, about people blatently promoting stupendous doses, just because they had an experience with such a dose and got through it unscathed.

I feel the NBOMes have changed the whole RC game. BDFLY is incredibly potent and dangerous, but it didn't have anywhere near the widespread availability and popularity of the NBOMes when it made it's debut. There are clearly many people out there with this substance who don't really know what they are doing, so keeping the information flowing is of great importance. It shouldn't need to be feared (we're not here to take the joy out of people's fun), but reports such as the one you linked to show that people need to take a whole other level of responsibility when playing around with the NBOMe compounds.
 
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