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Rivea Corymbosa (Ololiuqui) Experiences with Regards to Dosage...??

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i did a search, and didn't see any threads specifically regarding this. but you can merge with a B&D, but you should let me get a few responses first as a thread if ya don't mind.

There is a lot of variation in terms of dosage suggestions with these seeds. i hear that the freshness is determinant of potency quite a bit, and also the fertilizers used. but even with these gray areas of quantification, the information suggested with these seeds is pretty far reaching. some say 10-20 (i believe the natives used 14-26 or some certain range near there), others say 60-100.

i'm not one to go over-board, so i'll of course test the potency of my batch with a low dose to see what happens(cheers to harm reduction, low doses first ;)). but i'm curious of all your guys' experience with regards to these mysterious seeds. quite a few have exp with Mgs and HBWR, but the Ololiuqui is much more elusive it seems.

also, any words to throw at the topic of qualitative differences in the experience of Rc to that of MGs and/or HBWR would be appreciated :D
 
^ I believe so. I think that's what he meant though, MGS and HWBR are very popular, but this one is fairly rare and he's asking if there are any qualitative differences - e.g. how for example some find one type of seed to be nausea inducing and the other easy-going, etc :)

I would normally merge this with the LSA thread, but since there's not a whole lot of discussion about Rivea Corymbosa there, I'll leave this out in the open for a while longer, and maybe merge it after you've gotten some responses :)
 
I don't suppose many people will have taken notice of the difference between morning glories and rivea.
 
i figure the info buckets a little lacking on the subject, hence my thread :D

qualitative differences in the experience would be good, but really exp with people varying doses is what i'm really after.

and you nailed it jesusgreen, sorry if i was confusing in my original post lol i was up til 7 am
 
We need a contribution from one of those blokes who can tell the difference between black caapi and red caapi.
 
Ismene said:
We need a contribution from one of those blokes who can tell the difference between black caapi and red caapi.
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Lol. Well in all fairness, it seems pretty evident that the morning glory/HBWR experience is due to more than one alkaloid. Ergine gets mentioned a lot as the principle alkaloid, but Albert Hoffman bioassayed it pure and reported that it elicited only a dreamy state with very little psychedelia. The psychedelic components to the experience could very well be due to some of the other lysergamides in the seeds. Shulgin suggests ergonovine, elymoclavine, lysergol, penniclavine, and chanoclavine as being the candidates for psychedelics action of the seeds.
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml


Ergonovine has been bioassayed and has been found to have psychedelics effects at 2 to 10 milligrams. It may be that across the spectrum from morning glories to HBWR to Rivea Corymbosa, there may be differences in the ratios of alkaloids, or even some different ones altogether.

Of course, the black vine/red vine thing is probably a lot more difficult to tell apart because they are beta-carbolines rather than 5-HT psychedelics.
 
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they taste fucking awful. i had such high expectations for the rivea seeds. i had some morning glory seeds aswell so i ate those instead. i think i left the rivea seeds at someone's house i don't know, a fair few months ago *LOL rHYMING*

but grind them up and eat a little, see how you feel. but maybe you could wash it down with some water so you don't have to taste them
 
did you experience anything from the little bit you ate???

do you have any idea/speculation regarding which side of the suggested dosage spectrum is most accurate?
 
100seeds - 250seeds is what i used to take. went as high as 450seeds, which was seriously intense. i had a great supplier that constantly had fresh seeds in stock, idk what the rivea scene is like online now. that supplier no longer sells rivea.

as far as differences in effect between rivea and other types of LSA seeds, its really been too many years to say with confidence. rivea was the least nausea inducing out of all of them, and so it was my favorite. i did have success with mixing rivea with just a few HBWR seeds... ended up getting a stronger trip without as much nausea as a full-HBWR trip.

i've got at least two dozen rivea trips under my belt, and have seen many friends take it as well. if you have any specific questions go ahead and ask, questions will likely trigger my memory =)
 
Also, the potency of Ololiluqui seeds IME are much lower than anticipated. I bought 400 seeds from a reputable vendor almost three years ago and was extremely disappointed with this product. 100 of the little fuckers were crushed thoroughly, added to cooled peppermint tea, stirred for a few minutes, and let it sit overnight wrapped in aluminum foil. produced no effects whatsoever. At that time LSA->LSH seemed plausible with such foolish methods. I did the same with the remaining 290ish (saved some for the garden) and tripped with an intensity resembling 60-80ug LSD, coupled with projectile vomiting. That money would have been better spent on four or five 8 oz bottles filled with ~714mg DXM. Then the whole family can travel through hyperspace! Ololiluqui flowers are absolutely beautiful though, and the wife absolutely adores our exotic additions.
 
freshness matters a LOT with these seeds. those ones in the garden might end up giving you a decent experience ;) only two seeds per pod with this plant though so it'll take a minute to collect em
 
Thanks for the info guys :-)

I'll send ya a question nightwatch when I get my enquiry juices flowin, just woke up lol.
 
Dexed said:
Also, the potency of Ololiluqui seeds IME are much lower than anticipated. I bought 400 seeds from a reputable vendor almost three years ago and was extremely disappointed with this product. 100 of the little fuckers were crushed thoroughly, added to cooled peppermint tea, stirred for a few minutes, and let it sit overnight wrapped in aluminum foil. produced no effects whatsoever. At that time LSA->LSH seemed plausible with such foolish methods. I did the same with the remaining 290ish (saved some for the garden) and tripped with an intensity resembling 60-80ug LSD, coupled with projectile vomiting. That money would have been better spent on four or five 8 oz bottles filled with ~714mg DXM. Then the whole family can travel through hyperspace! Ololiluqui flowers are absolutely beautiful though, and the wife absolutely adores our exotic additions.
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Most tap waters will degrade the ergolids in LSA containing seeds. Water extractions on LSA seeds are usually done in low light conditions, with distilled or spring water. This could possibly account for the low potency you experienced.
 
I actually don't have experience with Rivea seeds. I was just speaking broadly in terms of the main sources of LSA/ergoloids: HBWR, morning glory, rivea corymbosa, and ergot. The active alkaloids found in all of these are very fragile, and will be destroyed by chlorinated water, and by prolonged exposure to the ultraviolet spectrum of light.
 
i am still not sure if the whole LSA->LSH conversion thing is bogus or not, but most of my best trips were with around 250seeds ground up in a coffee grinder and mixed with red wine. let the mixture sit for a few minutes and drink. good luck getting the seed mush down lol. i never tried a true extraction, always ended up eating the seed mush... also i always used to drink a bunch of arizona green tea on my LSA trips to help combat vasoconstriction and nausea. typically smoked cannabis to help prevent nausea too.
 
Pardon my naivite, but what compound in tea helps prevent vasoconstriction? I'm not aware of any vasodilators in tea, unless you count a metabolite of caffeine which is (can't remember the chemical, sorry). And for me, weed NEVER helps the vasoconstriction. What worked for me was about a dropper and a half of yohimbe. Made me feel REALLY warm (expected) and my legs felt completely normal for the entire trip, which was a godsend, considering I can't even lie still without the pains being nearly unbearable. Also, it countered the sedation. Eating the seed compared to just drinking the CWE never showed any qualitative differences. Just less nausea when I drank the water.
 
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