Ritalin & Vyvanse Questions

[Dysphoric]

Why do people still try to abuse Ritalin like its relevant? Why does Focalin never get any spotlight when its much more superior?

 

[mr druggles]

Supposedly some people with ADD don't get high off stimulants...I wouldn't know. But in that case I'd try ritalin if anything.

People with add or adhd do get high from stimulants but the effects are different thats probably what you meant but im tired so yeah

 

[crOOk]

I just read your other thread - I now have a good idea of your relationship with Adderall, which seems to be described as pretty awful, with few positive effects and many negative effects. Because of the degree to which Adderall disagreed with you, I wouldn't even recommend another amphetamine to be tried before you try something else. So, not the Vyvanse. I would suggest the Ritalin over the Vyvanse, and pretty certainly, too. If it is instant-release Ritalin, I would start with a dose of 7.5 mg to 12.5 mg (orally) or 5 mg to 10 mg (insufflated - that is, up the nose) to start, which should provide significant stimulant effect to give you an idea of the drug. For strictly therapeutic purposes, I don't think a dose of more than that would be warranted, but you want recreation, too, so I am suggesting you try what I'd consider a basic therapeutic dose for ADD to see how it goes, and if you would want and could tolerate a higher dose.

Are you recommending the op to use instant release methylphenidate intranasally for therapeutic reasons? I might have misunderstood you, but it seems you are saying the starting ground would 5-10mg IN without regards for whether it's meant to be sued recreationally or therapeutically? If that is the case, it is some of the greatest self deceiving garbage I've read in a while. You do not want a stimulant to enter the bloodstream as fast as possible when you are using it therapeutically for ADD. The guy is also apparently in treatment and his doctor will surely set the dosage. We don't give medical advice in such a manner here. Arguably, your advice is not really of medical nature, but just of the bad kind of nature. If you give him clear instructions on how to use his medication, at least tell him to check back on this with his psychiatrist OR make clear the advice is meant for abusing the drug.

 

[crOOk]

Why do people still try to abuse Ritalin like its relevant? Why does Focalin never get any spotlight when its much more superior?

Availability I would assume. I've also never seen dextroamphetamine around here in the past 15 years due to Germany being flooded by illicit amphetamine from Poland which is always racemic and always not entirely converted to a salt. While this might be inferior, there's simply no option to abuse d-amphetamine on a regular basis because it isnt available.

as for methylphenidate, people pay a shitload of money for the stuff already (not me, never, fuck that lol), id imagine d-threo-methylphenidate is much more expensive.

is there still a patent on it??

EDIT: I see theres an XR version (usually released when the patent for the IR runs out) and generic IR floating around already. maybe its just not widely prescribed due to still meaning a great financial burden for patients/health insurances?

 

[Alex000]

I think nothing inherently detrimental to therapy with methylphenidate taken via intranasal means over oral administration; it is, from my experience and my personal knowledge, potentially viable. The OP said he wanted something that would serve as a dual therapeutic and recreational agent. He asks, particularly, of the euphoric profiles of certain stimulants, and of dosage, too. I think my advice to be sound for his query's nature. I wrote it, too, well aware that one of the key values of this site is harm reduction.

 

[crOOk]

I think nothing inherently detrimental to therapy with methylphenidate taken via intranasal means over oral administration; it is, from my experience and my personal knowledge, potentially viable. The OP said he wanted something that would serve as a dual therapeutic and recreational agent. He asks, particularly, of the euphoric profiles of certain stimulants, and of dosage, too. I think my advice to be sound for his query's nature. I wrote it, too, well aware that one of the key values of this site is harm reduction.

Well the problem about using a ROA like that is not really that you'll be reaching higher plasma concentrations faster which opens this substance's recreational potential, but that you will also drop off much sooner, not allowing you to distribute your given dose equally throughout the day. The idea is to get a steady relief of symptoms, not to expose your brain to a rollercoaster ride of dopaminergic activity. That is one of the many reasons why XR versions are so often preferred over their IR counterparts.
Exposing your brain to higher plasma concentrations of methylphenidate will cause a greater adaptive response, thereby rendering the drug less effective towards the tail end of the effects and causing a much greater rebound once the drug has left the bloodstream entirely.

Nonetheless I've known at least one person with ADD who has snorted ridiculous amounts of amphetamine while taking methylphenidate and has been a straight A student for the entire duration of his studying medicine (4 years now). This is the exception though and on the downside of things he would totally blow you if you can score 10 bucks worth of speed for him. Oh the doctors of tomorrow...

Now it seems you are a big fan of insufflation (which I am not). What would you think if I told him to take the methylphenidate rectally (assuming you have a rough idea what this will do) or even intravenously (let's focus only on the drug's effects, not the harm of the injection itself)? It would quickly become very clear that this can obviously not benefit his ADHD in any way.

Sorry if I was an ass up there. I understand it was perfectly fine advice in respect to recreational use (though snorting that stuff... yuk), but this sort of practice simply does not allow for an therapeutical use of the drug or at least it's therapeutical efficacy will be diminished. I can try to find articles about it if you are sceptical, but you know as well as I do that those would not be in your favor lol. So I think we might be able to agree on that you can definitely get away with it (like you did or my 'friend') and still experience some therapeutical benefits, but you are not maximizing the benefits on a therapeutical level. Right?

 

[Hugh_Myron]

I just read your other thread - I now have a good idea of your relationship with Adderall, which seems to be described as pretty awful, with few positive effects and many negative effects. Because of the degree to which Adderall disagreed with you, I wouldn't even recommend another amphetamine to be tried before you try something else. So, not the Vyvanse. I would suggest the Ritalin over the Vyvanse, and pretty certainly, too. If it is instant-release Ritalin, I would start with a dose of 7.5 mg to 12.5 mg (orally) or 5 mg to 10 mg (insufflated - that is, up the nose) to start, which should provide significant stimulant effect to give you an idea of the drug. For strictly therapeutic purposes, I don't think a dose of more than that would be warranted, but you want recreation, too, so I am suggesting you try what I'd consider a basic therapeutic dose for ADD to see how it goes, and if you would want and could tolerate a higher dose.

Thank you this exactly is the kind of answer I was looking for!

 

[Hugh_Myron]

Oh yeah I do have ADD but I'm just looking for recreational use of these drugs. I'm not trying to treat my ADD with these drugs. I just meant that Adderall didn't work for me recreationally or for focus purposes. I only experienced bad side effects with it. I don't understand how people get such euphoric effects from it when it usually just makes me feel shitty.

 

[crOOk]

Oh yeah I do have ADD but I'm just looking for recreational use of these drugs. I'm not trying to treat my ADD with these drugs. I just meant that Adderall didn't work for me recreationally or for focus purposes. I only experienced bad side effects with it. I don't understand how people get such euphoric effects from it when it usually just makes me feel shitty.

To simplify things, of those who like stimulants there are "coke people" and "speed people" (speed being amphetamine). A lot of people who don't enjoy amphetamine still enjoy methylphenidate or cocaine recreationally. I enjoy all of them, only that the enjoyment with the latter two ends around 30mins into the experience which is when everything turns to shit - comedown hell. You could say I'm a speed person lol.
Either stimulants simply don't agree to you somehow or you belong to the aforementioned group of "coke people" and could very well get enjoyment out of methylphenidate.

 

[Hugh_Myron]

I tried Vyvanse for the first time yesterday. I took 60mg with a low dosage of Hydroodone. I think the Hydro prevented the side effects I usually get with amphetamines. So I actually felt their effects. Not the euphoria but the focus and clear mind effects.