Skrivesrettut
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The title says it all.. which would be better for studying?
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Stimulants Ritalin or dexies for studying?
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ErgicMergic
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If you really do have ADD on a biological level and not just diagnosed, then dexedrine helps you focus on what you are interested in, and doesn't have the harsh side effects of Ritalin (MPH) nor the harsh crash. If you don't have ADD, some people like the fact that MPH makes them overly stimulated.
On the other hand, from what I've read, Ritalin turns you in to a somewhat autonomous robot at higher doses, and helps you focus on what you should be studying, not what you're interested in. For what it's worth, although I haven't taken Ritalin/Focalin for ADD or for any reason, I have been prescribed ADD medications for 10 months, 8 of which were Dexies, other 2 months were Adderall (same as Dexies but ~25% contains the L-amp isomer as well which lights a fire under your ass.
I have now not taken any ADD medications for about 2.5 months now, and I have to say that my anxiety is about the same. However, it feels nice to have my natural energy back; it doesn't feel good to be dependent on amphetamines just to focus on every day tasks, they are much better used at most 3-5 times a week only for serious term papers or a new, difficult chapter, etc. Plus, for ADD relief, you should take no more than 20-25mg dexedrine a day (IMO), any more is setting yourself up for failure by overmedicating yourself and flooding your prefrontal cortex with dopamine (DA), causing the DA receptors to literally curl back and die through oxidative stress (dopamine autoxidation).
Make sure you eat whole grains (40g/meal), protein (30-40g/meal), and good fats (10-15g) every 4 hours, this will help you focus and retain information, and amphetamines deplete neurotransmitters that are replenished by eating right, sleeping right, and with proper study habits.
Good luck!
On the other hand, from what I've read, Ritalin turns you in to a somewhat autonomous robot at higher doses, and helps you focus on what you should be studying, not what you're interested in. For what it's worth, although I haven't taken Ritalin/Focalin for ADD or for any reason, I have been prescribed ADD medications for 10 months, 8 of which were Dexies, other 2 months were Adderall (same as Dexies but ~25% contains the L-amp isomer as well which lights a fire under your ass.
I have now not taken any ADD medications for about 2.5 months now, and I have to say that my anxiety is about the same. However, it feels nice to have my natural energy back; it doesn't feel good to be dependent on amphetamines just to focus on every day tasks, they are much better used at most 3-5 times a week only for serious term papers or a new, difficult chapter, etc. Plus, for ADD relief, you should take no more than 20-25mg dexedrine a day (IMO), any more is setting yourself up for failure by overmedicating yourself and flooding your prefrontal cortex with dopamine (DA), causing the DA receptors to literally curl back and die through oxidative stress (dopamine autoxidation).
Make sure you eat whole grains (40g/meal), protein (30-40g/meal), and good fats (10-15g) every 4 hours, this will help you focus and retain information, and amphetamines deplete neurotransmitters that are replenished by eating right, sleeping right, and with proper study habits.
Good luck!
While i prefer functional answers to questions opposed to comments on not doing something or other, this is a dangerous road. And sticking to the functional aspect, beyond the dangers of addiction resulting from the initial functional benefits motivation, the functional element eventually ends fast.
Either you cant be functional without the drug or, like myself, you get in the habit of going beyond the functional dosage due to increased rec value and at that level you are the utter opposite of functional. Destructive becomes your new goal. Either way, doesnt work out for very long. Its a shame but the unfortunate reality.
For pure fun, sure, this drug class will deliver, but functionality is not a realistic long term possibility (unless you need treatment and will be managed closely by your doc).
Either you cant be functional without the drug or, like myself, you get in the habit of going beyond the functional dosage due to increased rec value and at that level you are the utter opposite of functional. Destructive becomes your new goal. Either way, doesnt work out for very long. Its a shame but the unfortunate reality.
For pure fun, sure, this drug class will deliver, but functionality is not a realistic long term possibility (unless you need treatment and will be managed closely by your doc).
Skrivesrettut
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When I was young people often messed with me, saying I had ADHD, but I’ve never been diagnosed. Growing older and starting to use amphetamines, it had the same effect on me like everyone else, so I though ADHD could not be the case. After a few “busy years” I got clean and just stuck to cannabis.
Now, 5 years later I have serious concentration problems, worse than ever, and I also have CFS. If I take 10mg Ritalin I feel a little bit tweeked, and my focus is greatly improved. Funny, since Ritalin didn’t give me much in my "busy years", just getting nauseous from 60mg an up. But perhaps this could all be explained with tolerance?
I’ve taken 10mg of Ritalin now, my focus is great, but I’ll have to say there is some restless vibration in the body I could do without when studying. From what you say, does that indicate that I don’t have ADD? And would dexies suit me better?
I turned into quite a health freak trying to cure my CFS, so I’m set nutrition wise, and actually I’ve achieved a lot from nutrition alone, but it’s been hard work for years. But the last few months something has changed, and its like I got a sudden adult onset of dyslexia.. that's why I have to take drastic measures this spring, and I'll have to see what to do in autumn.
Addiction is really not that big of an issue, I hope and think, as I've gone months on speed earlier without any withdrawl stopping over night.. also, I'll only take ritalin/dexies 4-5 days a feek and only one dose in the morning as I normally have to use melatonin to get any sleep before 6 am.
Now, 5 years later I have serious concentration problems, worse than ever, and I also have CFS. If I take 10mg Ritalin I feel a little bit tweeked, and my focus is greatly improved. Funny, since Ritalin didn’t give me much in my "busy years", just getting nauseous from 60mg an up. But perhaps this could all be explained with tolerance?
I’ve taken 10mg of Ritalin now, my focus is great, but I’ll have to say there is some restless vibration in the body I could do without when studying. From what you say, does that indicate that I don’t have ADD? And would dexies suit me better?
I turned into quite a health freak trying to cure my CFS, so I’m set nutrition wise, and actually I’ve achieved a lot from nutrition alone, but it’s been hard work for years. But the last few months something has changed, and its like I got a sudden adult onset of dyslexia.. that's why I have to take drastic measures this spring, and I'll have to see what to do in autumn.
Addiction is really not that big of an issue, I hope and think, as I've gone months on speed earlier without any withdrawl stopping over night.. also, I'll only take ritalin/dexies 4-5 days a feek and only one dose in the morning as I normally have to use melatonin to get any sleep before 6 am.
The problem with amps is that whether you really have ADHD or not, the drug will treat you and be perceived to work perfectly. The fact is that amps and its subtle functional benefits would be able to treat pretty much any issue you have.
A drug that rewards you massively for every daily interaction no matter how mundane and provides euphoria and value from every moment of your existence while on it will be perceived to improve any situation you might want to treat.
Honestly it even treats serious pain in my experience, prob not as an opiate might, more likely due to resistance or distraction etc, but it does. Im sure in a blind test a terminal cancer patient would perceived to have improved to a large degree if treated with amps. Thats why we abuse it. It makes life better, every single moment of it.
The point is that the pierced effectiveness of amp based treatment cannot be trusted at all in terms of an indication or confirmation of a previous diagnosis. If you think you have real ADHD get tested for it. Do not use amp treatment as a confirmation of it due to the perceived benefits.
I don't assume to know your situation but i had similar issues and it was simply a genetic propensity to anxiety. General anxiety for me absolutely manifested exactly as ADHD is supposed to manifest. Frustration, distraction, low attention span etc. You dont want to accidentally accept a doctor approved daily amphetamine addiction that usually always leads to more problems if its not really needed.
The simple answer is to get tested. If you are not willing to get tested, then as a doc I would be very worried about simple drug seeking or misdiagnosis for that patient over genuine need. Im dont mean to be a dick, I just know that the misuse of the ADHD amp treatment opportunity makes it more difficult for those with legitimate needs to be treated. This is mostly due to the horrible diagnosis standards. Currently a misbehaving child can be given the equivalent of meth due to lazy parents and docs. Its tragic.
A drug that rewards you massively for every daily interaction no matter how mundane and provides euphoria and value from every moment of your existence while on it will be perceived to improve any situation you might want to treat.
Honestly it even treats serious pain in my experience, prob not as an opiate might, more likely due to resistance or distraction etc, but it does. Im sure in a blind test a terminal cancer patient would perceived to have improved to a large degree if treated with amps. Thats why we abuse it. It makes life better, every single moment of it.
The point is that the pierced effectiveness of amp based treatment cannot be trusted at all in terms of an indication or confirmation of a previous diagnosis. If you think you have real ADHD get tested for it. Do not use amp treatment as a confirmation of it due to the perceived benefits.
I don't assume to know your situation but i had similar issues and it was simply a genetic propensity to anxiety. General anxiety for me absolutely manifested exactly as ADHD is supposed to manifest. Frustration, distraction, low attention span etc. You dont want to accidentally accept a doctor approved daily amphetamine addiction that usually always leads to more problems if its not really needed.
The simple answer is to get tested. If you are not willing to get tested, then as a doc I would be very worried about simple drug seeking or misdiagnosis for that patient over genuine need. Im dont mean to be a dick, I just know that the misuse of the ADHD amp treatment opportunity makes it more difficult for those with legitimate needs to be treated. This is mostly due to the horrible diagnosis standards. Currently a misbehaving child can be given the equivalent of meth due to lazy parents and docs. Its tragic.
Ksa
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You don't have to make a choice, I would use both, separately though, and with codeine for the comedown. Dexedrine is very strong and euphoric so it doesn't have to be combined with anything, but stuff like ritalin, focalin, adderal and others could use some side codeine to smoothen the rough edges. In my personal experience, 15mg Adderall XR combined with 90mg of codeine gives effects similar to dexedrine, so dexedrine is indeed very strong.
Znegative
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I'm pretty sure 10mg of adderall (75%d-amphetamine, 25% l-amphetamine) is equal to 7.5mg of dexadrine (which is just d-amphetamine), so dexadrine isn't that much stronger, unless you need really high dosages to feel it.
IME the amphetamines are better by far in terms of the crash, and are also smoother and more pleasant on general. However on amphetamines I want to write and read a lot but I usually end up somehow wasting my time on topics unrelated to actual responsibilitys I have. However MPH is so horrible I don't think I could focus for long on anything with that building paranoia and endless crash
IME the amphetamines are better by far in terms of the crash, and are also smoother and more pleasant on general. However on amphetamines I want to write and read a lot but I usually end up somehow wasting my time on topics unrelated to actual responsibilitys I have. However MPH is so horrible I don't think I could focus for long on anything with that building paranoia and endless crash
methylphenidate
Ksa
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If I give you 3 hugs, is it the same as if I gave you 3 hugs and a nose punch? The 2 cannot ever be equal, set aside the aspartate monohydrate and saccharate salts which differ from the sulfate and make it shittier.
You probably never had Adderall before...how to explain it...dextro isomer is like you having sex with a hot chick, and the levo isomer is like you having sex with your mom. It scars you for life. Even if you do it 3 times with the chick and 1 time with your mom...no dude...just no. Not fucking equal. Trust me.
midnight run
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Dexies by far!!
midnight run
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what if its your step mum and shes way hotter than GF?
Ksa
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what if its your step mum and shes way hotter than GF?
Then it counts as a chick and its dexedrine 100% lol
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I know by experience that Methylphenidate (Ritalin) work very good for studies, but it comes with a lot of side effect like, anorexia, paranoia, insomnia, suicide though and loss of interest for thing you use to like. And please do not mix caffeine with psychotimulant, it worsten the side effect.
From my experience, I would tell you to keep away from any of those because of the many side effect but it up to you and everybody react differently.
I think Dextroamphetamine as less side effect so what would be my choose between both.
From my experience, I would tell you to keep away from any of those because of the many side effect but it up to you and everybody react differently.
I think Dextroamphetamine as less side effect so what would be my choose between both.
Ksa
Ex-Bluelighter
midnight run
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Im prescribed dexies and they are just the best for studying and remaining focused on tasks.....even better when had with red bull !!
LonE1
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Ritalin really makes me zero in on everything to study, and helps me concentrate like crazy, but honestly the comedown makes it not even worth it for me. It fucking barely lasts 2 hours for me.
Dexedrine does the same but a bit more of a body high, and I get more motivated in such tasks such as cleaning or organizing, but can also study well. Id go with dexedrine; the comedown is much more manageable.
Dexedrine does the same but a bit more of a body high, and I get more motivated in such tasks such as cleaning or organizing, but can also study well. Id go with dexedrine; the comedown is much more manageable.
after years of generous use of both I have truly realized they do not help. I swore by dexedrine for ever. There is nothing that it does that you cant do alone. I just ended up sleeping eating and walking and using cannabis and I completed my goal with flying colours without this shit. Ritalin at high doses is insane, it is not good, at low doses it makes you robotic. Dexedrine is a fuck of a drug, it will trick you into thinking it helps, it does not. after a while it causes agression and personality changes. It causes the dopamine transporters to die and it overall leves you worse off than you began.
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I agree; When I was off all meds for a year (ive been told I have ADD for years by several different doctors), I did better in school than I did while on meds. Back on dexedrine and I take them but they really only do motivation more than anything, and i totally agree with you about the agression and personality changes. I may have not noticed, but all my friends and family all did, and when I did notice, I would always start taking benzos to calm me down, and BLAM you have a benzo addiction.