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Risks of LSD vs. Mescaline vs. Psilocybin

With LSD, there's the added risk of unknowingly buying some other drug sold as LSD, like a DOx.

That's true. With psilocybin, there's also the risk of buying a death cap, which looks similar to other, non-lethal psychadelic species.

yagecerl said:
On super-long "trips": No. A shattered mind and a longer than usual levelling-out-period? Maybe, but the times mentioned above seem extreme to me without the person suffering a predisposed mental issue.

Well isn't that just it - you won't necessarily know you had the latent condition until the drug brings it out full force, and it never goes away? Whereas mescaline, as far as I know, does not seem to do this, at least not for extended periods of time.
No, unless you count life as a trip

I often do. :D
 
Well isn't that just it - you won't necessarily know you had the latent condition until the drug brings it out full force, and it never goes away?

I'd forget this idea someone's told you that "the trip lasts for a week" or "it never stops" - it's physically impossible for this to happen. The human body elimates LSD at a standard rate. Unless your mate is non-human he didn't trip for a week. He was telling you a story.

Mescaline is a lot gentler psychedelic than either mushrooms or LSD, but to be honest if you're psychotic then it's not going to make any difference whether you take mescaline or LSD. The only reason you've heard more stories about LSD than mescaline is that very few people ever take mescaline.
 
The only reason you've heard more stories about LSD than mescaline is that very few people ever take mescaline.

Exactly, another factor may be the ease of consuming large doses - with cactus tea it's probably pretty hard to get a huge dose, shrooms are much easier, and LSD is far easier still.
 
I think that it is most-likely the "holding it together" that causes one to have a difficult experience. Try lying down in a darkened room in silence and just give yourself to it.

On the topic at hand: different strokes for different folks.

On super-long "trips": No. A shattered mind and a longer than usual levelling-out-period? Maybe, but the times mentioned above seem extreme to me without the person suffering a predisposed mental issue. I've had experiences where integration has taken longer than usual, during which I might feel "different" for lack of a better word, but still tripping? No, unless you count life as a trip ;)

I was lying down in silence (although the room wasn't darkened) and I was TRYING to give myself up to it but it wasn't working. Instead I was experiencing hell. I finally managed to go find my music player and get music on and that's when the trip turned heavenly.
 
Well isn't that just it - you won't necessarily know you had the latent condition until the drug brings it out full force, and it never goes away?

I'd forget this idea someone's told you that "the trip lasts for a week" or "it never stops" - it's physically impossible for this to happen. The human body elimates LSD at a standard rate. Unless your mate is non-human he didn't trip for a week. He was telling you a story.

Mescaline is a lot gentler psychedelic than either mushrooms or LSD, but to be honest if you're psychotic then it's not going to make any difference whether you take mescaline or LSD. The only reason you've heard more stories about LSD than mescaline is that very few people ever take mescaline.

It's hard for me to imagine a gentler psychedelic than LSD. I have got try this mescaline.
 
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Taken from "Drugs the Straight Facts" :)

'Some people insist these drugs produce the same psychological effects,' yes, idiots. Even if you're new to all of them the level of nausea, euphoria/mental stability and duration are pretty obvious giveaways.

'Some experienced users cannot tell the effects of each drug apart'. They'd have to be even bigger idiots. 8)
 
I don't think it would be possible for me to have a bad trip as long as the police didn't bust in on me, or something along those lines of mentally terrifying (car accident, getting mugged, etc.) mostly because I do what a previous poster stated; just roll with it. Every time I come up on psychedelics I start getting giggly as hell. I love tripping, and apparently I really want to try mescaline.

I've never heard of any of my friends having a bad experience with any of the classic psychedelics or the 2C's save one, who had a really bad time although his benzo habit might have played into that, I think. Another friend of mine didn't like 2C-E because of how long it lasted for him so he eventually went to the hospital to get pumped full of fluids.

How would you guys quantify the way your brain feels on different psychedelics?
With acid I feel like my brain is getting rubbed with butter, it just feels really smooth. I don't know how to describe it.
Shrooms was similar, but more speedy, like the 2C's but that's just me.
Or it might not.
 
It's hard for me to imagine a gentler psychedelic than LSD. I have got try this mescaline.
i feel the same way. LSD is nice and comforting, being on acid feels like coming home after a long business trip across the country. not to off topic but my cousin told me san pedro cacti cant be bought in most states other than california, is this true?
 
I'm not sure psychosis works on this sliding scale. Is the idea that if you take LSD you chase your mother down the street naked with a butchers knife and a hard-on, but if you take mescaline you're a pussycat?

My guess is any drug that alters the balance of a psychotics mind may result in psychosis.
 
'Some people insist these drugs produce the same psychological effects,' yes, idiots. Even if you're new to all of them the level of nausea, euphoria/mental stability and duration are pretty obvious giveaways.

'Some experienced users cannot tell the effects of each drug apart'. They'd have to be even bigger idiots. 8)
I know it's not from a serious source. Ah was a stupid post.
 
I'm not sure psychosis works on this sliding scale. Is the idea that if you take LSD you chase your mother down the street naked with a butchers knife and a hard-on, but if you take mescaline you're a pussycat?

My guess is any drug that alters the balance of a psychotics mind may result in psychosis.

Psychosis is best defined as a loss of contact with reality. Which is tenuous, I suppose. After all, take salvia and you're going to be tripping way out of this world. But I certainly think what I experienced was psychosis - delusions of grandeur, believing I was trapped in my room for all eternity, losing language, logic and identity, etc. You don't necessarily have to be violent for it to count as psychosis.

I have to agree with what others have been saying too, saying mescaline, psilocybin and LSD are indistinguishable just shows the authors haven't done their research. I encountered this in a book someone gave me that was basically anti-drug. I discarded most of what it said simply on those grounds: they had no idea what they were talking about.

I can accept that this guy didn't have a week-long trip, but long periods of psychosis certainly seem possible.
 
It was a very weird experience at that point, and in fact, I only recalled it last night from the simplest thing. I was scrubbing earwax from my ear. (Yeah: ew.) When suddenly I thought: "What is this feeling of resistance, located at a particular point in space, between one part of my body and another?" It became meaningless, this idea that I was pushing against my ear. Actually there are only sensations, not located in Euclidean space, just sensations void of dimension altogether. And the sensations can be put into words but really, they are simply what they are - pain, resistance, ecstasy, coldness, etc. Even feeling "Something's going on in my stomach" is only 'located' in the stomach because the brain is hardwired to perceive it that way. In fact it's just a sensation, void of location, just a feeling.

I thought, when have I had this thought before? And I remembered, it was during the mushroom trip. And I also remembered what that train of thought thad led to...

Though I was well aware of myself in physical space, this absorption in the pure, spaceless, and very dysphoric sensations led my intoxicated mind to some strange conclusions. The boundaries of my body became arbitrary lines concealing my awareness to just this physical form and whatever happened to it. This was when I started to believe I was God, because the feelings were zero-dimensional and could not be intellectualized into words, therefore my true nature must be Absolute. I started pressing into the desk and the walls to try and break through this confined mortal existence. The pressure between my hands and the obstacles would increase and it seemed there might not be a limit to how intense it became, so I stopped. (Similarly, as I started talking, I got louder and louder and I thought that I might become infinitely loud, so I quietened down saying "Just stop, stop, please, okay? Please okay just stop.") Because I could not break through back to absolute existence, I spent the next hour wandering around the room in circles, trying to figure out what I could be, what form I should take, whether it would be exciting and worth experiencing. When I tried to remember what I had been before, i.e. a human, it seemed increasingly, absurd, like the belief that the qualia of my sensations could be located at a point in space. It eventually became so absurd that I forgot about it altogether, and had no idea what I was. Then even my thoughts and language disintegrated into glossolalia for a while. I sat on the floor conjuring up random images from my life to try and make sense of what was happening to me. It all just seemed completely ridiculous. That was the peak, I think.

It's actually been cathartic writing this out... the trip makes a bit more sense and it's possible it could have been averted if I'd been with an experienced trip-sitter. It also still sounds crazy, but not as crazy as I thought - there is some twisted logic to it. Hopefully someone else can gain some kind of insight from this, haha.

:) I've done something to this effect. Many a time. Its why I like tripping, it brings you out of your element. Its like being a kid again, leaving all your preconceptions and biased views behind, but still retaining your current intelligence and logic. Its rediscovering the world, for what it is. My trip sessions are like therapy for me
 
Yes. Some Native American cultures smoke the cacti for religious purposes, hence it is legal. However I wouldnt go around announcing you have mescaline, because you would have to prove that it is for your religious ceremony. I would compare mescaline to an easy-going, harmonious acid trip. You are just at peace with the world. Acid you can be fucked up on, but mescaline seems like just a heavenly experience. A fun time!
 
Yes. Some Native American cultures smoke the cacti for religious purposes, hence it is legal. However I wouldnt go around announcing you have mescaline, because you would have to prove that it is for your religious ceremony. I would compare mescaline to an easy-going, harmonious acid trip. You are just at peace with the world. Acid you can be fucked up on, but mescaline seems like just a heavenly experience. A fun time!

mmmm, your description makes me wanna find me some mescaline!
 
I wouldn't get too excited - the chances of it being mescaline are tiny. DD's tell gullible people it's mescaline so they can sell you something else at three times the price.
 
I wouldn't get too excited - the chances of it being mescaline are tiny. DD's tell gullible people it's mescaline so they can sell you something else at three times the price.

This is the same guy who has been selling me LSD, 2C's, shrooms, DMT, and MDMA, and it has all been real, and very good.

I'm gonna go ahead and trust him on this.
 
Mescaline is weak and taking one hit will just make you laugh alot. Shrooms are good if you take a quarter to a half an eighth for yourself. If you take the whole eight depending on the strain you will have a strong trip with definate hallucinations but it will only last 6 hours. LSD you are guranteed a trip for 12 hours. You are not going to get stuck in a trip and I never believed one word of these so called flashbacks. I have tripped alot and never got a flash back and neither have my friends. With any of these psychedelics its all about your mindset. If you are in a good place in life or a good mood that day you will be fine. If you have alot of repressed memories or issues or problems in your life and you are not surrounded by good vibes you are sure to have a bad trip. If you take to much you will lose control with reality and thats a fact but if you have someone to babysit you, you wont die or jumo off a roof or something bad. Remeber its a chemical, It has to wear off. It wont last forever. The only things that can last forever is like others have said. It opens doors you knew where never there if you use these drugs that way. You can learn things about yourself and the world you just simply denied or ignored..

I used to grow shorooms and I would take them when I needed to work things out in my life. If you take an eigth of shrooms alone and really think about life and your personal choices and things you want to achieve and change it will help you alot. Its like self realisation. It puts things in your face that you cant ignore or deny. It wakes you up to truths most people bury. When people take psychedelics its to get deeper into reality not escape it.

As bill hicks would say, your third eye would be squegeed clean..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF9NZjrSIE
 
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