Ridiculously high tolerance advise needed plz

[djslim20]

Hi all, I have been using substances for best part of 14 years now and as many before I ended up using opiates for 7-8 years on and off.
I've been prescribed Fentanyl patches 100 mg'h for the last 5 years and just been moved onto 160mg mst morphine twice a day instead of the patches.

I've got a really high tolerance and can main-line a whole 0.25g bag of H and feel good for a min then I feel normal again, the quality of the gear has got better recently but still does sweet F.A. but costs a fortune
I have tried crushing the mst's (500mg) and "Browning it" but I get nothing, I also tried 600mg orally but got nothing, even 250ml (half a bottle) of Oramorph does nothing noticeable.

I am well aware of the dangers of Fentanyl but has tried chewing (I'm munching 1/4 of one right now) but this never seems to work, I've also tried sticking bits to foil and smoking but STILL get nothing. I have just stuck bits to foil and am freezing them to try to transfer to the foil then smoke.
I love the pain free warm hug that opiates give but I can't seem to get that any more, is this just because my tolerance has gone through the roof and if it is are there any opiates that his tolerance won't ruin?

I would try laying off the meds to get tolerance down but the pain I would suffer would be unbearable

Any advise would be great,
Thanks everyone,
Someone who is me.

 

[hatrix]

We don't use SWIM on this forum. Edit your post so it's more readable and then I'm sure someone here can help you.

 

[jaspersilence]

YOU should consider some of the pain you suffer psychological...Addiction will do that.If you seriously need the meds,and are not just chasing a high,then I'm afraid you will have to suffer a bit.You'll have to severely cut back on milligrams,or number of painkillers you take.There is really nothing else you can do..

 

[pasha]

Anyone would suffer from ceasing opioid use.




The only way to lower your tolerance is to abstain, I'm sorry but there's simply no other way.

 

[jammy_wankz]

hi all, swim has been using substances for best part of 14 years now and as many before swim has ended up using opiates for 7-8 years on and off.


i've been prescribed fentanyl patches 100 mg'h for the last 5 years and just been moved onto 160mg mst morphine twice a day instead of the patches.



Any advise would be great,
thanks everyone,
someone who isn't me.

lmao

Listen dude... you don't even know how to properly use 'SWIM'.

You will have to taper down for a while to avoid withdrawals, then when you are at a 'lower dose' for a week, you take a higher dose that you normally would do... I bet you will feel that nice warm buzz again... but you will only experience it once a week or so if you take lower doses throughout the week.

I once had a high tolerance to oxycodone a couple years back. I would wake up in withdrawal every morning, and getting to my desk drawer to grab a 30mg blue felt like a hike (desk drawer was in the same room!). 30mg just eased off the withdrawal. If I wanted to feel a 15 minute buzz, I'd have to start at 30mg, then take another 30mg... so 60mg just for a relatively weak 15 minute buzz was totally getting ripped off, lol. Your body is gonna give you diminishing returns after you keep pushing it.

Maybe find interest in another drug... try exploring a drug that you have no tolerance to. Maybe benzos, maybe amphetamines. Yeah doing more drugs is not the best advise I can give you, but you've already maxxed out your body's tolerance to opiates to the point that its literally pointless to continue taking them, yet you are chasing some sort of 'feeling'.

 

[blight12]

^^ Excellent Advice and dont feel like its some indication of not being able to cut it either.

I think im pretty progressed with strategies with dealing with this shit, but opiates, they scare me due to some fundamental issues i will provide. I think they are best left to brave and the crazy and those far better then I, right now (you guys deserve credit for sure).

Coming from meth which is pretty damn godlike and near the top up there with opiates, i find large concerns with opiates.

1. Instead of becoming more stimulated, aware, active and likely to implement corrective measures with OD level or doses that are too high, with opiates, when its getting risky and you need to care, you probably dont. Its setup in a way that situations of risk and concern are compounded with equal lack of caring or ability to do something about it.

So, yes its designed for the best possible chance of ensuring it kills you, but making it double as likely to do so, just to be really safe.

2. I dont like the idea of a drug that could keep you awake and also be really dangerous to use with anything that might help you sleep instead.

Its designed in a way that its immune to anything that can improve the experience, should it be necessary, should you need to do so. The idea that i cant take pretty much anything thats designed for sleep and anti anxiety with absolute safety and good results on this stuff terrifies me since i need to know that I have options should i need to exit or improve things.

Like anti psychotics for stims.

Opiates ask you, trust me 100%, without any other options for assistance or relief and ill promise to treat you well and not ass rape you until i wear off since you have no hope for any help. Hand over all that control, that trust, that faith in me and i will treat you well straight out of the cult leaders handbook with physical withdrawals thrown on top just to make sure you remain my bitch forever. Dunno if that sounds like a good thing...

3. And lastly i just dont like that all this means i need to treat my usage like some chore ensuring max safety at all times to have some fun and hopefully not die. Anything that comes with possible risks of having a a few beers with it without proper consideration of all factors beforehand is fucking buzzkill that cannot be worth it.

Like with meth, the concept of risk taking drug use should allow some risky behavior and unpleasant but fair punishment for disrespecting it or making a mistake that's not unconsciousness or death.

Meth seems properly designed in line with the core idea and what we want out of our stupid drug use with calculated risks and acceptable margins of error with acceptable consequences

Opiates seem designed to control, dominate, kill and decide who gets mercy or death at its own discretion.

So, its not the logical winner, if you value logic, safety and life and acceptable risks for your high, but to each his own lol, but im just throwing shit out there...

Anyways, not an attack on the stuff, just thought id throw some stuff together on the spot to support the last posters suggestion to try other things, since as you can see it make sense after all perhaps...

Who knows whats better or worse at the end of the day though, but i like these logical comparisons that provide some insight into the intentions of something, even if its not human, looking at the properties of something by pretending each one is by design and in totality to achieve some sort of single end result can be quite interesting, giving each thing a clearly understood human indication of how it might think of you with only a single word to describe that thought.

And those opiates dont seem well intentioned at all...

 

[Jabberwocky]

i wish i could meet swim, so many people come to these forums claiming to know that person. he sounds like a fucking maniac!

 

[pally pete]

i wish i could meet swim, so many people come to these forums claiming to know that person. he sounds like a fucking maniac!

SWIM is a complete arsehole, trust me, i know him. The most annoying TNUC to walk the earth.

 

[RedRum OG]

You're gonna have to come down eventually. You can't keep increasing doses your whole life to medicate pain. It's like taking a loan from a bank, the longer you wait and the more you do it the worse it will be in the end, gotta pay it back at some point, you can spread it out however you want but times against you

Try spreading out doses far as possible. White grapefruit juice works wonders with morphine and dope

 

[ugly]

I have the same problem with my benzos. Klonopin 2 mg take 2 each day at bedtime.

They used to help me sleep by helping me lay still. (Restless legs might sound like a stupid syndrome but it's a miserable deal if you have it.)

Now if I take two 2mg Klonopin, I don't notice any effects. I need about 10 mg to get to sleep if I'm really fighting with my legs.

I hate my tolerance. I save up the kpins for when I have a seriously bad night. Most nights I don't take my benzos because it's basically a waste of medicine.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Maybe find interest in another drug... try exploring a drug that you have no tolerance to. Maybe benzos, maybe amphetamines. Yeah doing more drugs is not the best advise I can give you, but you've already maxxed out your body's tolerance to opiates to the point that its literally pointless to continue taking them, yet you are chasing some sort of 'feeling'.

Let's please not advise people to start using new drugs, especially drugs that can potentially be even more addictive/harmful than the ones they already use. Thanks.

 

[XThexXTank]

White grapefruit juice works wonders with morphine and dope

So wait if ya drink white grapefruit juice while doin dope it'll potentiate it? By how much? Also how much do ya need to drink to potentiate? One two or three cups? I have no idea bout this man first time I'm hearin this. I too have a huge tollerance. If I do bout 16 bags of dope (snorted) to get noddn how much will I have to do to catch a nod w/ the grapefruit juice?

As for the OP alls I can say is yer gonna have to taper in order to get high again. Yer tollerance gotta go down. Or ya can cut cold turkey.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

White grapefruit juice works wonders with morphine and dope

So wait if ya drink white grapefruit juice while doin dope it'll potentiate it? By how much? Also how much do ya need to drink to potentiate? One two or three cups? I have no idea bout this man first time I'm hearin this. I too have a huge tollerance. If I do bout 16 bags of dope (snorted) to get noddn how much will I have to do to catch a nod w/ the grapefruit juice?

I'm not certain if it actually does potentiate heroin and morphine or not. However if it does the effect would vary greatly depending on the person and the grapefruit juice, so it would be impossible to answer your questions and something you would have to do through trial and error, using less heroin than usual just in case it did have a strong effect. The topic of grapefruit juice as a potentiator has been discussed in detail in many other threads, but it doesn't potentiate all opioids, and the verdict seems to still be out on whether or not it affects morphine and heroin.

White grapefruit juice works wonders with morphine and dope

Are you speaking from personal experience? I'm having trouble finding reliable info on whether or not it does potentiate those drugs. Most threads I've seen on this forum say that grapefruit juice does not potentiate morphine or heroin, and I don't see them listed on lists of drugs that possess an interaction with grapefruit.

BUT I found this study on rats that says:

The grapefruit juice treatment significantly increased the blood concentration of morphine in morphine-tolerant rats.

Wikipedia claims:

Morphine itself, however, is not affected by grapefruit juice, as it is not metabolized by the cytochrome P450 system.

BUT that statement is uncited so I am skeptical. Even if it's true that it's not metabolized by the enzymes that grapefruit is well-known for inhibiting, it's possible that grapefruit increases the effects of morphine (and one would then presume heroin, since heroin is a prodrug for morphine and related metabolites) by some other mechanism...?

 

[XRl Billygoat]

for a person with little to no opiate tollerance, what will 2mg of suboxone do? how long will it take sub to hit peak concentration in blood?

 

[XThexXTank]

Subs take bout 30 to 45 min to peak

 

[pally pete]

for a person with little to no opiate tollerance, what will 2mg of suboxone do? how long will it take sub to hit peak concentration in blood?

Be careful.. I tried Buprenorphine with little/no tolerance and I was violently ill for 12 - 15 hours! So much so that I nearly went to hospital.

I didn't stop projectile vomiting, I couldn't see, walk, hear, piss.. It was one of the worst drug experiences of my life.

Less than 0.5mg is recommended for a non tolerant user i believe.

 

[djslim20]

Thanks for the replies, I guess a "new" fun substance is needed as it looks like chasing the opiate high is either a waste of time or will end up with death and that's definatly not where we wanna go :-(
My apologies for using SWIM, I thought it was how we don't incriminate our self's, I'm often wrong tho 8(
I'm off to go shopping down the silk road, let's see where that leads........
Stay safe ppl

 

[pally pete]

Thanks for the replies, I guess a "new" fun substance is needed as it looks like chasing the opiate high is either a waste of time or will end up with death and that's definatly not where we wanna go :-(
My apologies for using SWIM, I thought it was how we don't incriminate our self's, I'm often wrong tho 8(
I'm off to go shopping down the silk road, let's see where that leads........
Stay safe ppl

They use SWIM on another ridiculous inferior forum.

Btw I don't mean to sound like I'm telling you off and I may be wrong but I'm sure mentioning sources is not really appreciated.

Happy shopping

 

[XThexXTank]

Be careful.. I tried Buprenorphine with little/no tolerance and I was violently ill for 12 - 15 hours! So much so that I nearly went to hospital.

I didn't stop projectile vomiting, I couldn't see, walk, hear, piss.. It was one of the worst drug experiences of my life.

Less than 0.5mg is recommended for a non tolerant user i believe.

That sounds like you were probably allergic to the subs. Idk I could be wrong but how many mgs did ya do?

Also are you addicted to opiates cuz id imagine in order to take a sub yous have to be hooked and you'd probably have an opiate tollerance. Ya can't take subs to get high. Unless ya didn't wait at least 24 hours after yer last opiate dose. Ya gotta wait before ya take subs ya gotta be withdrawin to take it otherwise the subs will send ya strait into withdraws and that coulda happend to ya ya gotta give more info on yer opiate use to get a better understandin of what were the reasons for those side effects.

 

[laCster]

Can a mod or OP edit his first post? It is hard to read and follow with all those SWIMs ...

At djslim, nothing to worry, your tolerance is through the roof. The only think that will help is time off. Hell even 2 or 3 days off can lower your tolerance enough.on the other hand , if you are physically dependant on opiates waiting two days means withdrawal. But trust me, the pain is worth the gain....